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Is Shorten PM material?

Is Shorten PM material?

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 16.2%

  • No

    Votes: 31 83.8%
  • Total voters
    37
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sydboy007 said:
One leak already about how Turnbull appointed less woman than any other minister.

So I don't think Turnbull has consolidated his power as yet, and with the likes of hadley and your though leader bolt in shock over the Abbottocalypse, I can see MT having to spend a lot of time protecting his flank, let along thinking about going on the offensive with decent policy.

Hopefully Shorten is now forced to start offering some decent policy, and I think if he's smart that would be a very good wedge tactic. Show that MT is stuck with placating the loon pond right and his lustre will quickly fade.

MT either needs to assert his Liberal authority or it's going to be a very close election, one I'd say will be a poisoned chalice for the victor, because if we're not already in a technical recession by then, it wont be long after that we will be.

It'll just be a shame that Hockey wont be having to eat a lot of crow when his budget forecasts are shown to have been just as shoddy as Labor's and the deficit is ballooning towards $50B
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Ah yes, Shorten's year of new ideas??????????????...where are they...Been waiting all year.

One down one to go says Shorten in reference to Tony Abbott..........The next one to go will most likely be Shorten himself......What a croc......He must be licking his wounds over the weekend.
 
Polling conducted before Malcolm Turnbull ousted Tony Abbott as Prime Minister last week suggested the swing against the Liberals could have been as high as 10 per cent.

But Crikey election analyst William Bowe said a 6 per cent swing was not a bad result for either side.

"I think the swing has been exactly in the middle of every expectations," he said.

"It really is a draw this by-election.

"If the swing was pushing 10 per cent it would have been a bad show for Malcolm Turnbull, if it had been below 5 per cent it would have been bad for (Opposition Leader) Bill Shorten.

"But it's landed in the middle somewhere."

Senior lecturer in politics at Notre Dame University Martin Drum agreed.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-...s-say-result-good-for-liberal-and-alp/6789540
 
http://vtr.aec.gov.au/HouseDivisionFirstPrefs-18126-236.htm

9% swing to Labor is fairly impressive ... looks like voters are switching to the majors


SHARMA, Vimal Kumar Palmer United Party 2,525 3.05 -3.83
WHITTLE, Connor Liberal Democrats 467 0.56 +0.56
ALLEN, Michelle Pirate Party 737 0.89 +0.89
SMITH, Greg Australian Defence Veterans Party 661 0.80 +0.80
LOVE, Katrina Animal Justice Party 1,144 1.38 +1.38
HASTIE, Andrew Liberal 38,979 47.06 -4.01
VAN LIESHOUT, Teresa Independent 516 0.62 +0.62
KEOGH, Matt Australian Labor Party 29,421 35.52 +8.88
RAULAND, Vanessa The Greens (WA) 4,856 5.86 -1.54
McCOURT, Jim Family First Party 601 0.73 -0.62
VAN BURGEL, Jamie Australian Christians 2,416 2.92 -0.18
SMITH, Angela Sustainable Population Party 499 0.60 +0.60
...... National Party of Australia (WA) Inc 0 0.00 -1.93
...... Rise Up Australia Party 0 0.00 -0.76
...... Katter's Australian Party 0 0.00 -0.88
FORMAL 82,822 94.83 +0.35
INFORMAL 4,512 5.17 -0.35
TOTAL 87,334 77.42 -14.59

TWO CANDIDATE PREFERRED
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Tisme said:
9% swing to Labor is fairly impressive ... looks like voters are switching to the majors
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Not impressive enough.

Right now, Bill Shorten will be pooping his pants.

What's most interesting is the Greens. Hoping to get 10%, they've only got about 6% on the latest figures which is down from the 2013 election.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/2015-canning/results/

A lesson for the majors here is that if they run half-way decent candidates, the protest vote towards the Greens evaporates.
 
Labor no longer needs Bill to win government they now have their undercover plant in Malcolm running the show :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
IFocus said:
Labor no longer needs Bill to win government they now have their undercover plant in Malcolm running the show :rolleyes::rolleyes:
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That is something I have always been suspicious about.....The Fabian indoctrinated LUG party would do what ever it takes.

Is Malcolm a wolf in sheep's clothing?.......Only time will tell.
 
IFocus said:
Labor no longer needs Bill to win government they now have their undercover plant in Malcolm running the show :rolleyes::rolleyes:
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:D

Of course I'm on record as considering Malcolm a hollow man, a shadow of his previous self, so I'm going to have to eat humble pie if he does actually perform. :eek:

Bill doesn't seem too peturbed and I really don't understand why the ABC and public bar experts keep saying things like the Canning by election are painful for him?

We are yet to see if we have a dead cat bounce in the polls, especially once the honeymoon period is over and the public realise they are still going backwards in terms of what they can afford. It's going to take some time to turn around the negative impetus from deliberately stagnating govt spend.

 
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Is Shorten PM material?

He tweeted this after the Parramatta shooting.

I will never vote from him.

Shorten 01.jpg​
 
I think that tweet is totally out of step with the views of most Australians. Makes me wonder if it is real???
 
Ferret said:
I think that tweet is totally out of step with the views of most Australians. Makes me wonder if it is real???
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I think it's a selective snippet designed to discredit Shorten. I'm sure his first words would have been for the victim's family.
 
Parramatta shooting: Bill Shorten says radical groups preying on young people are the 'terrorist version of paedophiles'


Opposition Leader Bill Shorten has hit out at any radical groups encouraging teenage terrorism as investigations continue into last week's fatal shooting in Parramatta.

"If there are organisations in this country preying upon vulnerable young people, filling their head full of murderous, crazy nonsense, then those organisations are breaching their social contract with the Australian people," Mr Shorten said.

"These organisations preying upon young people are a sort of political or a terrorist version of the paedophiles who prey upon young people too. It is just unacceptable."

Police are investigating the background of Farhad Jabar Khalil Mohammad, 15, who shot police worker Curtis Cheng dead outside the NSW police headquarters in Parramatta on Friday.

Police later shot and killed the boy, and have since said they believe the shooting was politically motivated and had links to terrorism.

There has been no public comment from police or political leaders singling out any particular group.

A spokesman for Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has confirmed he has spoken over the phone to the family of Mr Cheng to send his condolences.

Mr Turnbull said security and intelligence agencies are investigating the background of the shooter, but did not want to speculate on any possible links to radical organisations.

"In terms of these so-called lone wolves, it is too early to comment, really for me to say at any rate, to what extent this individual who murdered Mr Cheng was self-motivated, self-activated," he said.

"There is a lot of work being done to investigate this murder. Can I just simply say that we, all of us, need to be very aware of the way in which radicalisation can occur.

"Communities at every level, from families all the way up, should be alert to what young people are doing, what influences are impacting on young people."
Shooter's links to Hizb ut-Tahrir 'groundless and absurd'

Mr Shorten received a private briefing from police ahead of his media conference in Sydney.

Mr Shorten would not be drawn on whether any organisations were being investigated as part of the broader police inquiry into the shooting.

"I have no time for organisations fomenting dangerous, criminal thinking in vulnerable young people. I would like to see the police pursue the investigation and get to the bottom of the matter," he said.

"I'm not going to speculate on every strand of investigation by the police. I trust our police to follow this through.

"What I am making clear is that Labor has no time for any organisation found to be fomenting this dangerous, crazy rubbish which is preying upon teenagers with such dreadful tragic consequences."

Islamic group Hizb ut-Tahrir has criticised "mainstream media" for reports linking the group to the shooting, labelling the attack as "plainly wrong".

In a statement, the group said Farhad's alleged links to Hizb ut-Tahrir "are so groundless and absurd, they deserve naught but derision".

"No doubt Government authorities will milk this shooting to justify further insidious intervention in the Muslim community and further policing of Muslim youth, the very oppressive intervention and policing that pushes some to react in the wrong way," it read.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-...ut-at-radical-groups-preying-on-youth/6827836
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You can't really say he's going soft on radicalism.
 
SirRumpole said:
You can't really say he's going soft on radicalism.
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He's just gone for what sounds most emotive.

In making the comparison, I wonder whether he first considered the following,

Aisha was six or seven years old when betrothed to Muhammad. Traditional sources state that she stayed in her parents' home until the age of nine when the marriage was consummated with Muhammad, then 53, in Medina, with the single exception of al-Tabari, who records that she was ten.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad's_wives
 
dutchie said:
Looks like Bill negotiated the funds for another campaign manager for himself.


Coles employee takes legal action over deal that 'leaves workers worse off'

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-06/coles-employee-takes-legal-action-over-union-deal/6830818
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You have got to be joking...Barnacle Bill would not leave workers worse off surely.....I only heard him TV saying that he always gets the best deal for workers like he did for Cleanevent and Chiquita.


No, no, no our Bill would not do that!!!!!!!!!!!!!....and pigs might fly??????????
 
I think if you're going to have a crack at Bill for workers rights it would be prudent to come to the table with clean hands. So far the stories have been fairytales designed to feed the chooks.
 
Tisme said:
I think if you're going to have a crack at Bill for workers rights it would be prudent to come to the table with clean hands. So far the stories have been fairytales designed to feed the chooks.
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My hands are cleaner than Bills.

But your right, a fairytale, based on a little bit of truth.
 
and for the record from Bill's twitter account:

Bill Shorten ‏@billshortenmp Oct 3

This is a truly shocking incident - Our thoughts are with the family of Curtis Cheng, as well as his colleagues
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I can't find any reference to sympathy for the 15 yearold or his parents on his twitter account. I also can't readily find the #ParamattaShooting ABC tweet that people have posted as fact ...anyone ??
 

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