NBN Rollout Scrapped

[icedtrade]

Cannot be long now until the Government rolls over and commits to FTTP. (They have basically rolled on everything else good and bad)

Morrow is now saying having 80% to 90% FTTP wouldn't be a bad outcome.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...o-reach-majority/story-e6frgaif-1226986152979

Turnbull is saying what a fabulous job he is doing for his up to $3m a year salary.

So good that he cannot even arrange for a single Node to get power after a year, but that couldn't be due to privatised power companies could it? (If so then no problem because consumers love the lower electricity prices, and network reliability that this brings...must like the trusty old copper phone line I guess)

 

[Smurf1976]

Only good thing about this report is the call for any Govt investment over $1B to have a full CBA done.

Wow, just wow......

$1B is a lot of money in any terms and you'd think the cost benefit analysis would come in a lot lower than that. Heck, the Tas state government was doing it at very much lower levels many years ago and at least one state-owned company puts basically all capital expenditure through such a process, the only difference being the extent of analysis depending on the amount being spent. The bigger the cost, the more effort goes into analysis before committing too it, a process which is entirely logical.

If a business is going to spend on a new fixed asset then, regardless of the actual cost, it's not unreasonable to expect that a decent analysis would be done before committing to it. If the federal government is throwing around $ billions with no proper analysis well then that truly amazes me.

 

[sydboy007]

Wow, just wow......

$1B is a lot of money in any terms and you'd think the cost benefit analysis would come in a lot lower than that. Heck, the Tas state government was doing it at very much lower levels many years ago and at least one state-owned company puts basically all capital expenditure through such a process, the only difference being the extent of analysis depending on the amount being spent. The bigger the cost, the more effort goes into analysis before committing too it, a process which is entirely logical.

If a business is going to spend on a new fixed asset then, regardless of the actual cost, it's not unreasonable to expect that a decent analysis would be done before committing to it. If the federal government is throwing around $ billions with no proper analysis well then that truly amazes me.

I was happy with Abbott's pre election promise for a CBA on projects of $100M or more, that is untill he broke it twice before getting elected.

More importantly, as Turnbull said, the CBAs need to be made public. Too often the information is classified as some sort of state secret and we mere voters are kept in the dark. So far there's been none of the open and transparent Govt we were promised.

 

[So_Cynical]

Cannot be long now until the Government rolls over and commits to FTTP. (They have basically rolled on everything else good and bad)

They are putting a lot of effort into re-branding it, turning it into something that they can get the credit for.

 

[sptrawler]

They are putting a lot of effort into re-branding it, turning it into something that they can get the credit for.

Which is understandable, as they are the ones who have to make good, on a Labor Party brain fart idea.

 

[sydboy007]

Which is understandable, as they are the ones who have to make good, on a Labor Party brain fart idea.

Yet you gloss over the broken 2016 promise, the stalled FTTN rollout, the inability to get to power to some nodes, a $150M contract to Telstra that wasn't tendered with no proof they couldn't get a better deal from another company.

Yes, the Coalition are supremely competent at managing the network rollout.

 

[So_Cynical]

Which is understandable, as they are the ones who have to make good, on a Labor Party brain fart idea.

They had 10 years under Howard to do something and decided to do nothing....so Labor played catch-up, forcing the Noalition to re-brand and attempt to take credit...get a positive Noalition spin on a Labor/Green/independent initiative.

Its all same old form the right, knighthoods, work for the dole, tax breaks for the rich, work choices or what ever they will call it this time.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Which is understandable, as they are the ones who have to make good, on a Labor Party brain fart idea.

Thanks spt,

You have summarised the NBN in one sentence.

And in three words, " brain fart idea "

gg

 

[noco]

Thanks spt,

You have summarised the NBN in one sentence.

And in three words, " brain fart idea "

gg

There is no doubt in my mind, the COALITION would not have entered into such a hare brain scheme in the first place without some accurate cost benefit analysis.........It certainly would not been done on the back of a beer coaster in 11 weeks as Rudd and Conroy did.......Australia is such a large country to cover......by the time they get it finished, new technology will supersede what we now have.

I cannot see any problem with wireless or satellite because optic fibre is not going to produce 100gbs as originally stated.

 

[boofhead]

Where was it stated at 100 Gb/s? Fibre technologies can already transfer more than that (will be used for backbones etc though).

 

[sydboy007]

There is no doubt in my mind, the COALITION would not have entered into such a hare brain scheme in the first place without some accurate cost benefit analysis.........It certainly would not been done on the back of a beer coaster in 11 weeks as Rudd and Conroy did.......Australia is such a large country to cover......by the time they get it finished, new technology will supersede what we now have.

I cannot see any problem with wireless or satellite because optic fibre is not going to produce 100gbs as originally stated.

They're just investing in Meloburne's $1M / M tunnel where the CBA has shown to provide just an 80c return for each $ spent. With economic management like that we'll be rooned in no time.

 

[sydboy007]

so many missed targets

 

[drsmith]

That's cute coming from the Minister of Missed Targets.

How many NBN corporate plans were there that missed targets by miles under his fine ministership ?

6-years in office and it was missed target after missed target and even at the end of that 6-years, Labor was too afraid to release NBN Co's final corporate plan in the lead up to last year's election because it once again revealed wildly missed targets.

The problem for Stephen Conroy is that his own legacy as Communications Minister is completely indefensible.

 

[sydboy007]

That's cute coming from the Minister of Missed Targets.

How many NBN corporate plans were there that missed targets by miles under his fine ministership ?

6-years in office and it was missed target after missed target and even at the end of that 6-years, Labor was too afraid to release NBN Co's final corporate plan in the lead up to last year's election because it once again revealed wildly missed targets.

The problem for Stephen Conroy is that his own legacy as Communications Minister is completely indefensible.

Nearly a year in office and the Abbott Govt has achieved 50 FTTB trial connections and 1 order in the umina and Epping rollout. This from the team promising a nation wide rollout by the next election.

 

[drsmith]

That's right Syd.

Not yet a year in office for the Coalition compared to 6-years for Labor and their Minister of Missed Targets. There's a long way to go yet before any meaningful comparison can be made.

I don't think there's too many even within Labor now that bow at the shrine of Stephen Conroy.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Should any defenders of the disastrous ALP driven NBN debacle be still extant, it would bear them well to read this.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/cost-benefit-analysis-shows-turnbull-plan-has-16b-advantage-20140826-108nvi.html

It proves the gross dereliction of governance embarked upon by Rudd and Conroy.

Mr Vertigan said the findings of his report show that cost benefit analyses should be mandatory before construction begins on major public infrastructure projects.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...-advantage-20140826-108nvi.html#ixzz3BVR9czTF

gg

 

[overhang]

Should any defenders of the disastrous ALP driven NBN debacle be still extant, it would bear them well to read this.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/cost-benefit-analysis-shows-turnbull-plan-has-16b-advantage-20140826-108nvi.html

It proves the gross dereliction of governance embarked upon by Rudd and Conroy.



gg

Are we meant to be surprised that a former staffer of Malcolm Turnbull and former advisers to Malcolm Turnbull have concluded that MT is right?

The report obviously has some weight however they have left out the most crucial component and that's that they haven't taken into account future upgrades to FTTP under the coalition plan which would seem inevitable in the long term picture. They also will not give a figure as to how much they have allowed for the ongoing copper maintenance.

 

[orr]

ALP driven NBN


http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/cost-benefit-analysis-shows-turnbull-plan-has-16b-advantage-20140826-108nvi.html

It proves the gross dereliction of governance embarked upon by Rudd and Conroy.



gg

As opposed to the Howard/Costello, Decade of nothing... Dereliction writ large. Their was Sol's Massive pay cheque's as three amigo's plotted to stitch up a monopoly network that would have see the $$$ figures touted above being spilt in Champaign coke on the marble floors of their yachts...

It's amazing how much incompetence you can hide behind such small ideological blinkers.

Dereliction of governance... that's for democracy to take care of... along with a couple of other things, Much to Merde-ochs dissappiontment... "The ALP's NBN" say it again slowly.

I would have been just as happy to to have been able to say the Coalitions NBN but I never had the chance.

 

[drsmith]

It will be interesting to see Labor's broadband policy going into the next election.

 

[sydboy007]

Should any defenders of the disastrous ALP driven NBN debacle be still extant, it would bear them well to read this.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/cost-benefit-analysis-shows-turnbull-plan-has-16b-advantage-20140826-108nvi.html

It proves the gross dereliction of governance embarked upon by Rudd and Conroy.

gg

So why aren't you calling for Abbott to provide public CBAs for his election promises for road funding? So far nothing even though he's committing billions.