Will Sinodinos give us some relief?

[rumpole]

Craig Thomsom was suspended from the Labor party pending corruption investigations.

Why should not Arthur Sinodinus suffer the same fate in the Liberal Party and be stood down from all duties ?

 

[trainspotter]

Re: Will Sinodinus give us some relief?

For what ? Sitting on the board of the AWH which was linked to Eddie Obeid

The ICAC is examining allegations that the Obeids were ‘‘secret stakeholders’’ in AWH and that Mr Obeid corruptly lobbied Labor colleagues on behalf of the company. The inquiry heard the family stood to make up to $60 million if the government entered into a partnership with AWH.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/icac-arth...ldings-deal-20140317-34x89.html#ixzz2wGpoVpuS

 

[rumpole]

Re: Will Sinodinus give us some relief?

For what ? Sitting on the board of the AWH which was linked to Eddie Obeid



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/icac-arth...ldings-deal-20140317-34x89.html#ixzz2wGpoVpuS

He's under investigation by ICAC. A cloud is hanging over him.

 

[trainspotter]

Re: Will Sinodinus give us some relief?

He's under investigation by ICAC. A cloud is hanging over him.

Nope .. he is being called as a witness to ICAC ... get ya facts straight

There has been no evidence of corrupt activity by Senator Sinodinos and his parliamentary colleagues and members of the business community have praised his ethics and conduct.

http://www.news.com.au/national/gov...n-worth-millions/story-fncynjr2-1226857906283

 

[rumpole]

Re: Will Sinodinus give us some relief?

There has been no evidence of corrupt activity by Senator Sinodinos and his parliamentary colleagues and members of the business community have praised his ethics and conduct.

What a surprise that his mates are building him up.

 

[trainspotter]

Re: Will Sinodinus give us some relief?

What a surprise that his mates are building him up.

Unlike Labor to boost their corrupt mates then isn't it?

"(Opposition Leader Bill) Shorten and federal Labor need to stop providing protection for the likes of Mr McDonald," Senator Abetz said. "A true leader would refuse any funding from a union with such an horrendous history.

"Labor's refusal to embrace the need for the ABCC can only be explained by Mr Shorten's addiction to the CFMEU's campaign money and votes at Labor conferences."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ion-1m-in-fines/story-fn59noo3-1226788512386#

Have a look here for more Labor corruption http://gooseinlabour.com/category/labor-corruption/

 

[Calliope]

Re: Will Sinodinus give us some relief?

Unlike Labor to boost their corrupt mates then isn't it?



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ion-1m-in-fines/story-fn59noo3-1226788512386#

Have a look here for more Labor corruption http://gooseinlabour.com/category/labor-corruption/

I think that what rumpole is trying to tell us trainspotter, is that while shonky and often illegal behaviour is expected from the likes of Gillard, Shorten, Thomson and union leaders like Joe McDonald etc, whose skullduggery skills have been honed in the unions and among Labor lawyers, it is naturally a shock to him that a Liberal senator could have "a cloud hanging over him".

Rumpy is having problems coning to grips with this and is seeking "some relief" from fellow members. It is, no doubt, a pleasant surprise and a "relief" to him that Arthur Sinodinus's colleagues are backing him up.

 

[rumpole]

Re: Will Sinodinus give us some relief?

I think that what rumpole is trying to tell us trainspotter, is that while shonky and often illegal behaviour is expected from the likes of Gillard, Shorten, Thomson and union leaders like Joe McDonald etc, whose skullduggery skills have been honed in the unions and among Labor lawyers, it is naturally a shock to him that a Liberal senator could have "a cloud hanging over him".

Rumpy is having problems coning to grips with this and is seeking "some relief" from fellow members. It is, no doubt, a pleasant surprise and a "relief" to him that Arthur Sinodinus's colleagues are backing him up.

What I'm after is consistency of treatment for people under investigation on whatever side of politics. Those who screamed loudly about Thomson should do the same with Sinodonis until such time as it's evident he has no case to answer.

 

[Bintang]

Re: Will Sinodinus give us some relief?

What I'm after is consistency of treatment for people under investigation on whatever side of politics. Those who screamed loudly about Thomson should do the same with Sinodonis until such time as it's evident he has no case to answer.

Those who (quite rightly) screamed loudest about Thomson were the ordinary, lowly paid members of the HSU who got so badly ripped off.
I'm not sure they would have as much motivation to scream loudly about Sinodonis but I suppose you could try writing directly to their union and invite them to do so. It will be interesting to see the reaction.

 

[trainspotter]

Re: Will Sinodinus give us some relief?

What I'm after is consistency of treatment for people under investigation on whatever side of politics. Those who screamed loudly about Thomson should do the same with Sinodonis until such time as it's evident he has no case to answer.

Thomson had that much evidence against him and was in a big river in Egypt ... Denial.

Sinodinos is accused of sitting on the AWH board and is being called as a witness to ICAC ... nothing more.

Greens Leader Christine Milne agreed “people are innocent until proven guilty”, but she believes the tables have turned.
“Tony Abbott is getting back exactly what he did to Julia Gillard when the first allegations were made about Peter Slipper and Craig Thomson so it’s a tit for tat,” she told Sky News.

http://www.news.com.au/national/gov...n-worth-millions/story-fncynjr2-1226857906283

 

[rumpole]

Re: Will Sinodinus give us some relief?

Those who (quite rightly) screamed loudest about Thomson were the ordinary, lowly paid members of the HSU who got so badly ripped off.
I'm not sure they would have as much motivation to scream loudly about Sinodonis but I suppose you could try writing directly to their union and invite them to do so. It will be interesting to see the reaction.

So you don't consider Aboott and Pyne running out of Parliament to avoid getting Thomsons vote a demonstration against him ?

They didn't give him much benefit of the doubt.

 

[drsmith]

Re: Will Sinodinus give us some relief?

So you don't consider Aboott and Pyne running out of Parliament to avoid getting Thomsons vote a demonstration against him ?

They didn't give him much benefit of the doubt.

The evidence against Craig Thomson by that stage was overwhelming.

Labor knew this as did the independents Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott who supported them in government. Craig though was critical to the balance of power in the lower house and thus the stability of that government.

 

[Bintang]

Re: Will Sinodinus give us some relief?

So you don't consider Aboott and Pyne running out of Parliament to avoid getting Thomsons vote a demonstration against him ?

They didn't give him much benefit of the doubt.

Don't know how that is in anyway relevant to the gist of my post.
You appear to be implying that the only people who screamed loudly about Thompson were those on the conservative side of politics. Well the HSU members screamed loudly and one would assume that their political allegiance is normally to the Labor party - at least before Thomson's deeds became public knowledge. But with the benefit of hindsight maybe some of them have even changed their allegiance by now. I certainly would if I had been in their shoes.

 

[Calliope]

Re: Will Sinodinus give us some relief?

They didn't give him much benefit of the doubt.

And they were right. It is strange to see you still defending Thomson even after he was convicted.:screwy:

All those who knew this character and didn't give him the "benefit of a doubt" were vindicated. Those who proclaimed his innocence, including Gillard, ended up with egg on their faces.

 

[rumpole]

Re: Will Sinodinus give us some relief?

And they were right. It is strange to see you still defending Thomson even after he was convicted.:screwy:

All those who knew this character and didn't give him the "benefit of a doubt" were vindicated. Those who proclaimed his innocence, including Gillard, ended up with egg on their faces.

You have a strange conception of "benefit of the doubt". It's supposed to occur BEFORE a verdict, not after it.

 

[drsmith]

Re: Will Sinodinus give us some relief?

The only doubt about Craig Thomson was the viability of the former government in the absence of his presence in the parliament.

 

[Calliope]

Re: Will Sinodinus give us some relief?

You have a strange conception of "benefit of the doubt". It's supposed to occur BEFORE a verdict, not after it.

"Benefit of the doubt" is just a legal expression. In real life it is nonsense.. If you gave Thomson "the benefit of the doubt" in the face of all the evidence, you are very naive indeed. I think you are the only fan and true believer he has left. Even his wife can't stand him. Wives are not in the habit of "giving benefit of the doubt" to husbands who spend union funds on call girls. Only a gullible rumpy would do that.

 

[Bintang]

Re: Will Sinodinus give us some relief?

" .... Wives are not in the habit of "giving benefit of the doubt" to husbands who spend union funds on call girls. Only a gullible rumpy would do that.

I don't think wives are in the habit of "giving benefit of the doubt" to husbands who spend their own funds on call girls either.

 

[trainspotter]

Re: Will Sinodinus give us some relief?

The only doubt about Craig Thomson was the viability of the former government in the absence of his presence in the parliament.

And still they got their policies through? We are gullible aren't we?

 

[drsmith]

Re: Will Sinodinus give us some relief?

The Australian's Dennis Shanahan,

ARTHUR Sinodinos should step aside as Assistant Treasurer.

And the sooner the better.

Sinodinos has Tony Abbott’s full backing, which means the choice of stepping aside is his alone. But there is no choice.

Another episode of NSW corruption being played out is politically damaging for a government that ruthlessly exploited Labor’s corruption and has called a royal commission into union corruption.

While John Howard’s former chief of staff and the former NSW Liberal Party president still doesn’t face any specific corruption allegation from the NSW Independent Commission Against Corruption, he has not been exonerated as NSW Premier Barry O’Farrell has been.

Sinodinos is in limbo for at least the next two weeks, before he’s due to give evidence to ICAC, with only the vague suggestion of guilt by association through corruption and the developing sleazy theme of being a “door opener” to Liberal politicians. While Bill Shorten and his colleagues in the House of Representatives inexplicably went soft on ICAC inferences against Sinodinos, Penny Wong ripped into the Assistant Treasurer in the Senate and will continue to do so.

The headlines politically condemn Sinodinos before his day in court, but the political reality is that such an experienced politician knows the damage will be deep regardless of the eventual allegations or findings.

As the man who did all the work on deregulation, Sinodinos is now confronted with the reality that he can’t sell cutting red tape with a red face.

He will be reluctant to step aside until he’s defended himself in court because an early move may suggest he’s done something wrong and permanently damage his career.

Philip Lynch stepped aside as treasurer in the Fraser government in 1977 while allegations of shonky property deals were heard. Lynch was exonerated but in his absence acting treasurer Howard was cemented into the job.

Stepping aside early is a risk, but being forced to resign does greater damage. Sinodinos has the Prime Minister’s support and general goodwill as a man of integrity. Both those commodities can be used up over time and leave Sinodinos in a worse position than he is now.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...t-have-a-choice/story-e6frg75f-1226858541973#

SMH's Mark Kenny,

Tony Abbott's surprise cabinet call on Arthur Sinodinos proves shrewd

When Tony Abbott named his cabinet after last year's election, the dearth of women was striking.

But another omission raised eyebrows, too, at least in Canberra: leaving out the talented Arthur Sinodinos.

He settled for the lesser post of assistant treasurer, which seemed a modest brief for a man who had so effectively headed John Howard's prime ministerial office and lent his government much of its strategic and intellectual ballast.

Some wondered aloud if there were things we didn't know. And that prompted rumours that Abbott's chief of staff, Peta Credlin, had quietly ensured the preferment of the West Australian Mathias Cormann to the cabinet post of Finance, which had been thought most likely for Sinodinos.

IIRC, Arthur Sinodinos was also third on the Coalition NSW senate ticket at the last election and only just made it.