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Turnbull for PM
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Actually, if the polls are accurate nothing has worked for Abbott.
Also again, if the polls are to be believed, policy and policy outcome is inconsequential.
Therefore it would appear unimportant.lol
Rudd is a winner, or so they would have us believe.
To me, it indicates the polls of two months ago were completely wrong, or the current ones are.Just my opinion.
We will all know the answers soon enough.
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Agree Logique and good article on Turnbull, Kennas.
Hopefully people realise its not just the leader, its the party they pick.
Hopefully people realise its not just the leader, its the party they pick.
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And yet many many people, yourself included (from memory, happy to be wrong there), have alluded to the upcoming election before the recent change with Kevin Rudd inferring from the polls some type of vindication, justification, etc. resulting in a change of government.
I'm not convinced. Anyone who followed the data and polling for 2007 will remember that the polling was showing John Howard at similar levels to Julia Gillard on TPP and yet come election day, the results were a lot closer than previously indicated. At this point, the polls are indicating a generally even race, so I would not be assuming anything.
Or the circumstances have changed. Polling represents a snap shot of opinion in time and people generally place far to much emphasis on polling when trying to divine intention at election time.
For anyone interested in something a bit deeper than headline poll results, try reading these types of blogs (Mark the Ballot).
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We are on the same page, the silent majority don't bother amswering polls, they have better things to do.IMO
Like I said earlier, it wasn't untill the election date was called, that Gillards unpopularity became apparent.
I, like you, put very little faith in polls. Rudd willl do better than Gillard, but anyone would.
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I, like you, put very little faith in polls. Rudd willl do better than Gillard, but anyone would.
Heh.. Faith and polls make for bad hang overs
Polls have their use as long as one knows how to read them. Sometimes the right question is more important than the right answer. As the skit in Yes Prime Minister muses, results can be influenced if questions are posed accordingly.
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Heh.. Faith and polls make for bad hang overs
Polls have their use as long as one knows how to read them. Sometimes the right question is more important than the right answer. As the skit in Yes Prime Minister muses, results can be influenced if questions are posed accordingly.
Absolutely.
Also seeing Rudd walking down the street with a camera and seeing the masses of well wishers slapping him on the back.
It makes me ask myself two questions, first would I go and shake his hand, second why aren't those people out working?
It brings me to the same conclusion as polls, worthless media food.
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I don't believe for a moment you would refuse to respond to a polling company if they were to approach you.
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But then SP is hardly one of the SILENT majority...
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If it's family they ring on the mobile and I ring them back.
Free calls to any mobile.
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Which was pretty much my point.But then SP is hardly one of the SILENT majority...
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But then SP is hardly one of the SILENT majority...
What!!! I'm your quiet reserved type.lol
I don't think Turnball is the person to be a PM. There's a slight Costello about him. He seems more for academics. Hawke, Keating, Howard and Rudd can get normal folk behind them. Turnball doesn't seem to have the needed charm. Gillard didn't. Turnball is better as a minister (like Gillard). Mistakes like the Godwin Grech are very telling. In some aspects of economics he can get the right on side but a number of other things you feel like he is semi-selling the party line but he doesn't like it.
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I disagree.
Turnbull comes across as a statesman. To the public he looks and sounds like a possible Prime Minister that could strut the world stage. His other good feature is that he sounds like he believes what he is saying and doesn't resort to repeated mantras unlike a certain other politician.
Maybe he wouldn't be as good a Prime Minister as Abbott but since he looks the part he is more likely to get the votes. He would destroy Rudd imo. Rudd wouldn't want to debate him.
Turnbull comes across as a statesman. To the public he looks and sounds like a possible Prime Minister that could strut the world stage. His other good feature is that he sounds like he believes what he is saying and doesn't resort to repeated mantras unlike a certain other politician.
Maybe he wouldn't be as good a Prime Minister as Abbott but since he looks the part he is more likely to get the votes. He would destroy Rudd imo. Rudd wouldn't want to debate him.
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If a rusted on Kruddite like boofhead thinks Turnbull is the wrong man, then he must be the right man.
I'm not a Kruddite. You should really give up on your deranged personal attacks. Are you Alan Jones? I would love for you to send me a PM where I have shown any support of Rudd or anyone else in politics. I'm generally not interested in cult of personality unlike you (it is all you can talk about).
Turnball has a slight smugness. Over the years since he lost the leadership there have been plenty of things he has said and done that shows how at times he is uncomfortable with Coalition policy. His at times looking uneasy saying the party line makes it look a little sarcastic. Regular viewers of Q and A will know what I mean.
Turnball has a slight smugness. Over the years since he lost the leadership there have been plenty of things he has said and done that shows how at times he is uncomfortable with Coalition policy. His at times looking uneasy saying the party line makes it look a little sarcastic. Regular viewers of Q and A will know what I mean.
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Malcolm Turnbull offers his insights on his role within the team from just before 8 minutes into the video segment (yesterday's Financial Review Sunday),
http://www.afr.com/p/business/sunday/nbn_co_takes_to_lobbying_dIKJcsk7HQcwutNpgJ2JrL
http://www.afr.com/p/business/sunday/nbn_co_takes_to_lobbying_dIKJcsk7HQcwutNpgJ2JrL
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You are right boof. I apologise. To call someone a Rudd supporter is a "deranged personal attack" and can be very hurtful.
I am glad to have your assurance that you are "generally not interested in cult of personality", however I find being compared to Alan Jones a somewhat deranged personal attack...almost as bad as being called a Kruddite.
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That's an unreasonable characterisation imo. I've certainly never found boofhead's posts to be particularly pro-Rudd. Rather they're thoughtful and pretty objective.If a rusted on Kruddite like boofhead thinks Turnbull is the wrong man, then he must be the right man.
I agree with your last point. Especially on climate, it's absolutely clear he's not in favour of the policy which would definitely change if he were leader.
The Godwin Grech mess was awful but one would hope he has acquired a bit more political nous these days.
I do think he's personable, if not actually 'charming'. He's also good looking, fluent, articulate and well spoken so streets ahead of Mr Abbott in this respect.
Perhaps he does on telecommunications but he doesn't at all on climate.
I do agree about him at least not falling back on slogans which are really starting to grate for me.
They would at least be a match for each other. Just no contest between Abbott and Rudd in a debate.
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I guess you are right as usual. Snide remarks boof has made about me e.g. "deranged'" and "Do you work in Abbott's office or something?" and "Are you Alan Jones?" are pretty objective and not personal in your view I suppose.
To return to Turnbull, I think he has come a long way since the Gordon Grech affair, when he had Rudd and Swan on the ropes over misleading parliament over the Utegate affair, and let them off the hook. Now that we have adopted a presidential style of campaigning, where we are pitting two personalities against each other, I think Turnbull would be a better performer than Abbott.
