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Judd said:
I am unable to vote for Mr Rudd since I do not live in his electorate.

However, if I did, I would have to give serious thought about casting my vote for a person who, courtesy of Simon Crean, was offered the opportunity to fight and fight hard for the office of Prime Minister, which I still believe he desires, displayed total and complete gutlessness.
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Anyone who can't pick their battles does NOT have a place in the PM's office. Picking your battles means knowing that you have brought a knife to a gunfight - difference being the fight hasn't started yet and you can walk away.

He walked away. The post-election phoenix routine above is a much more plausible and effective approach. He never would have won this election for Labor anyway, and he's not an old man. He can bide his time.

Personally, as a right-leaning voter I think Rudd as leader of the opposition to Abbot would be the best possible outcome for the Australian people. Abbot left unchecked will wreak havoc of his own. We will need a strong, vocal opposition to ensure we aren't shafted once again. I don't much like the thought of Abbot and Hockey as the head of the government, but I think that's what it might come to.

I'm in a historically labor dominated federal seat, but I don't know who any of my seat's candidates are or the sitting member! Maybe someone else will stand up and take a shot as an independent.
 
Vixs said:
Personally, as a right-leaning voter I think Rudd as leader of the opposition to Abbot would be the best possible outcome for the Australian people. Abbot left unchecked will wreak havoc of his own. We will need a strong, vocal opposition to ensure we aren't shafted once again. I don't much like the thought of Abbot and Hockey as the head of the government, but I think that's what it might come to.
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Pro-Rudd and Anti-Abbott?:rolleyes: I think you meant left-leaning.
You will get your wish. The Greens controlled Senate will sink any reforms the Coalition attempt, or to roll back any of Gillard's nasties.
 
MrBurns said:
Barry Cassidy on Insiders this morning said Gillard is unlikely to lead Labor into the election, I would think he'd be pretty well informed.
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He effectively read the last rites for the Gillard prime-ministership.

She's finished as PM either by the end of this week or next, depending on whether or not Labor wants a bounce in the next Newspoll.
 
drsmith said:
He effectively read the last rites for the Gillard prime-ministership.

She's finished as PM either by the end of this week or next, depending on whether or not Labor wants a bounce in the next Newspoll.
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They haven't got much time so it might be this week if they can get their act together, they all hate Rudd so it could be someone else, but Gillard's finished.
 
springhill said:
I don't see Rudd taking over before the election.

On September 14th we will see a mass public rejection of the disastrous hard left policies that Labor have enshrined in their current pathway.

Do you see him stepping in to reclaim a few measly polling points to save the political skin of those members who have knifed, bad mouthed and attacked his character him in recent times?
If there is one thing Rudd has, it is a good memory for those who turned on him.

He would be best served having the current pack of parasites fired by the public and reclaiming the leadership after the election.

Start with a clean slate and a mandate to change the direction of the Labor party to more traditional values. If anyone even remembers what those values are anymore.

Waiting until after the election is a win/win for Rudd.

He gets to blame past evils on Gillard and her sycophants, see them obliterated at the polls and control the next term in opposition with an iron fist.

Why try to save a ship that is already sunk, when you can sit back and write a post-disaster review on why the ship went down in the first place, pointing at others for blame?

If he has any political nouse he will allow this current version of Labor to go down in flames and play the part of the messiah returning to restore order.

I say all this with the caveat that the Labor brand is now completely toxic and is beyond repair in its current form and the acknowledgement that the public remembers all to well Rudd's failings. This is my opinion on a best case scenario that Rudd could hope to maneuver himself into.
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The party itself has a clearer picture of Rudd's failings than the public despite team Gillard's past attempts to publically discredit him. This's why they've stuck with her as leader for so long.

For much of this term, it's been a choice between the two devils they know and I can't imagine the party wanting a bar of either of them in a prominent political role post election.

Kev at best will have to be satisfied with revenge, saving a few Labor bean bags (as Nick Zenophon put in on Insiders today) and if he still has half a brain, cosying up to the Libs for a cushy post-election public service international diplomatic role.
 
MrBurns said:
They haven't got much time so it might be this week if they can get their act together, they all hate Rudd so it could be someone else, but Gillard's finished.
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Wouldn't it be funny if it was Simon Crean.

Beyond Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd though, I wonder whether the only one in the current government that would actually want it would be Rob Oakeshott.

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Adding to the sense of panic within, Bill Shorten could be about to walk away from the corpse of the Gillard leadership,

The Australian Financial Review understands that Employment Minister Bill Shorten, whose support has been critical to the Prime Minister staying in the job, is among those no longer rusted on to Ms Gillard and is weighing up the situation.
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http://www.afr.com/p/national/politics/gillard_backers_weigh_leadership_QTneNCmtALOQy1x8kl9ysJ
 
moXJO said:
God, are people really so stupid as to give Rudd their vote again? The guy is a walking disaster, he created the majority of the problem in the first place. SMH is printing him up like he is the second coming, what the hell are those idiots smoking.
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From their point of view, it's either Kev or the iceberg.

Labor though, like on the Titanic itself, forgot to hand the binoculars to the officers in the crows nest. It's going to hit regardless.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opi...ihilation-looms-for-labor-20130608-2nwzq.html
 

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springhill said:
I don't see Rudd taking over before the election.

On September 14th we will see a mass public rejection of the disastrous hard left policies that Labor have enshrined in their current pathway.

Do you see him stepping in to reclaim a few measly polling points to save the political skin of those members who have knifed, bad mouthed and attacked his character him in recent times?
If there is one thing Rudd has, it is a good memory for those who turned on him.

He would be best served having the current pack of parasites fired by the public and reclaiming the leadership after the election.

Start with a clean slate and a mandate to change the direction of the Labor party to more traditional values. If anyone even remembers what those values are anymore.

Waiting until after the election is a win/win for Rudd.

He gets to blame past evils on Gillard and her sycophants, see them obliterated at the polls and control the next term in opposition with an iron fist.

Why try to save a ship that is already sunk, when you can sit back and write a post-disaster review on why the ship went down in the first place, pointing at others for blame?

If he has any political nouse he will allow this current version of Labor to go down in flames and play the part of the messiah returning to restore order.

I say all this with the caveat that the Labor brand is now completely toxic and is beyond repair in its current form and the acknowledgement that the public remembers all to well Rudd's failings. This is my opinion on a best case scenario that Rudd could hope to maneuver himself into.
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moXJO said:
God, are people really so stupid as to give Rudd their vote again? The guy is a walking disaster, he created the majority of the problem in the first place. SMH is printing him up like he is the second coming, what the hell are those idiots smoking.
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Judd said:
I am unable to vote for Mr Rudd since I do not live in his electorate.

However, if I did, I would have to give serious thought about casting my vote for a person who, courtesy of Simon Crean, was offered the opportunity to fight and fight hard for the office of Prime Minister, which I still believe he desires, displayed total and complete gutlessness.
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Agree with all the above.
 
The ABC (ABC 24's ticker) is currently reporting that Julia Gillard has lost support in Labor caucus.
 
Quincy said:
The ABC (ABC 24's ticker) is currently reporting that Julia Gillard has lost support in Labor caucus.
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I just looked myself and noticed that it's carrying the caveat "ABC understands" as per the online news article.

Still, it's a limb if unsubstantiated and I can't imagine the ABC going out on such a limb. This will either be settled quickly or Labor is going to have a very bloody week.

Julia Gillard right now I'd suggest won't be looking forward to her next conversation with Bill Shorten.
 
drsmith said:
I just looked myself and noticed that it's carrying the caveat "ABC understands" as per the online news article.

Still, it's a limb if unsubstantiated and I can't imagine the ABC going out on such a limb. This will either be settled quickly or Labor is going to have a very bloody week.

Julia Gillard right now I'd suggest won't be looking forward to her next conversation with Bill Shorten.
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It was really repeating what Labor Insider Barrie Cassidy said this morning.
 
I don't care what they do as long as it screws bill shorten. A more principle free politician would be hard to find.
 
moXJO said:
God, are people really so stupid as to give Rudd their vote again? The guy is a walking disaster, he created the majority of the problem in the first place. SMH is printing him up like he is the second coming, what the hell are those idiots smoking.
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They used him to win the 2007 election then dumped him. I see no reason they wouldn't rinse and repeat. This mob are not known for their honour.
 
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