NBN Rollout Scrapped

[chode84]

You could listen to the likes of Calliope or those clowns in opposition, or you could listen to this guy.

FTTN a huge “mistake”, says ex-BT CTO

One of the UK’s foremost telecommunications experts, a former chief technology officer of British telco BT, has publicly stated that fibre to the node-style broadband is “one of the biggest mistakes humanity has made”, imposing huge bandwidth and unreliability problems on those who implement it, as the Coalition may do in Australia.

http://delimiter.com.au/2012/04/30/fttn-a-huge-mistake-says-ex-bt-cto/

 

[medicowallet]

You could listen to the likes of Calliope or those clowns in opposition, or you could listen to this guy.



http://delimiter.com.au/2012/04/30/fttn-a-huge-mistake-says-ex-bt-cto/

Jeremy insists that an Aston Martin DB9 is better than a Toyota Prado...

Should I go out and buy an Aston Martin DB9 to go and get my groceries??

Nope, but hey, when the speed limit becomes 220kph, I'll trade in my car and get that Aston Martin.


MW


The Labor party: Where rivers of gold paying for handouts are paid for by my grand children's sweat and tears.

Edit : I am not TOTALLY against FTTP, I am just against the sheer expense of the rollout, the poor uptake and the clowns running the show.

 

[Calliope]

Jeremy insists that an Aston Martin DB9 is better than a Toyota Prado...

Should I go out and buy an Aston Martin DB9 to go and get my groceries??

Nope, but hey, when the speed limit becomes 220kph, I'll trade in my car and get that Aston Martin.

The Labor party: Where rivers of gold paying for handouts are paid for by my grand children's sweat and tears.

Edit : I am not TOTALLY against FTTP, I am just against the sheer expense of the rollout, the poor uptake and the clowns running the show.

In the same article posted by the likes of chode84;

opinion/analysis
If you read beyond the commentary which I have included in this article and look at the wider transcript, it is clear that in many senses, Cochrane is the UK telecommunications equivalent of a hippy. In his segment in the UK parliamentary committee into broadband, he rants and raves about how great fibre to the home is, and highlights many examples where communities have independently rolled out fibre to their neighbourhoods without the assistance of major telcos like BT.

Cochrane is an out and out evangelist for fibre broadband, and it shows in his one-sided approach to the matter. There really is no point, he says repeatedly, in rolling out anything other than fibre; fibre is cheap enough and delivers such exorbitant levels of bandwidth that it will fill all of humanity’s broadband needs for the foreseeable future.

(My bolds)

 

[medicowallet]

In the same article posted by the likes of chode84;

(My bolds)

Damn it, I really wanted that Aston Martin DB9

MW

 

[DB008]

I'm not the smartest, but when doing a project, of any size, wouldn't ROI be an important factor?

So, why roll it out in the sticks, poor uptake, and leave the big smoke for later dates?

Wouldn't rolling it out in heavily populated areas be the smart (and first) thing to do, to maximize return and pay down debt?

It's almost like the ALP LOVE DEBT. Pig in $hit.

 

[NBNMyths]

I'm not the smartest, but when doing a project, of any size, wouldn't ROI be an important factor?

So, why roll it out in the sticks, poor uptake, and leave the big smoke for later dates?

Wouldn't rolling it out in heavily populated areas be the smart (and first) thing to do, to maximize return and pay down debt?

It's almost like the ALP LOVE DEBT. Pig in $hit.

The premise of your comment is incorrect, for a few reasons....

First, the NBN is being simultaneously rolled out from each of the nationwide 121 Points Of Interconnect of the network. So it is being rolled out in "the big smoke" as well as "the sticks", concurrently.

Second, in the trial sites done so far, the regional sites are running at 20% higher takeup than the metro sites. Probably because the metro sites have higher rental accommodation (need landlords permission to connect), and they have reasonable broadband already.

Thirdly, one of the biggest points of the NBN is to reduce the "digital divide" between city and rural areas. If they did the entire city areas first, then that objective would not be achieved.

 

[DB008]

The premise of your comment is incorrect, for a few reasons....

First, the NBN is being simultaneously rolled out from each of the nationwide 121 Points Of Interconnect of the network. So it is being rolled out in "the big smoke" as well as "the sticks", concurrently.

Second, in the trial sites done so far, the regional sites are running at 20% higher takeup than the metro sites. Probably because the metro sites have higher rental accommodation (need landlords permission to connect), and they have reasonable broadband already.

Thirdly, one of the biggest points of the NBN is to reduce the "digital divide" between city and rural areas. If they did the entire city areas first, then that objective would not be achieved.

1) I'm still in the 3+ year to get the NBN, despite big smoke location.
2) Of course it has a higher uptake. Telstra rip off or NBN? You'd be stupid not to take the NBN
3) Digital Divide. Your ROI business sense shows here. ROI, high population, pay down debt, your true colors show here....

 

[So_Cynical]

Your ROI business sense shows here. ROI, high population, pay down debt, your true colors show here....

You do know that you cant get even mobile phone coverage in like 70% of Australia, 300 clicks out the back of Sydney and reception can become patchy, most of the smaller rural towns have only had DSL for a couple of years and the larger ones get a choice of 2 providers if there lucky, even luckier to have slots available on the 1 or 2 DSLAMS in the local exchange that mite be 10 clicks down the road.

There is a massive digital divide in Australia, the tyranny of distance is very very real.

 

[Calliope]

You do know that you cant get even mobile phone coverage in like 70% of Australia,

That's not surprising; 70% of Australia is uninhabited or very sparsely inhabited desert. However if you mean 70% of the population, that is b/s.

 

[So_Cynical]

That's not surprising; 70% of Australia is uninhabited or very sparsely inhabited desert. However if you mean 70% of the population, that is b/s.

70% of Australia is what i said...and yep its sparsely populated and yet is actually populated with Australians who have similar wants and needs as the Australians living in more populated areas...strange that hey.

 

[Calliope]

70% of Australia is what i said...and yep its sparsely populated and yet is actually populated with Australians who have similar wants and needs as the Australians living in more populated areas...strange that hey.

As you said "tyranny of distance is very very real", and this is the reason that they don't have the facilities that you and I take for granted...hospitals, post offices, shopping malls, fresh fruit, public transport, mobile phones, secondary schools, power supplies, etc.

It's a matter of supply and demand, not "wants and needs".

 

[NBNMyths]

1) I'm still in the 3+ year to get the NBN, despite big smoke location.
2) Of course it has a higher uptake. Telstra rip off or NBN? You'd be stupid not to take the NBN
3) Digital Divide. Your ROI business sense shows here. ROI, high population, pay down debt, your true colors show here....

My true colours?

You still don't get it. The NBN is not a project created primarily to deliver a return. It is a project designed to improve broadband nationwide and reduce the digital divide between rural/regional and metro areas, while delivering a return. The rollout and pricing reflect these objectives.

You admitted yourself that takeup rates indicate that areas outside the metro centres want the NBN more than those in the cities. Doesn't this then support the NBN's policy of a concurrent regional/metro rollout?

 

[inyaface]

NBN ppl were just starting to roll up in front of my house....exciting times!

 

[IFocus]

My true colours?

You still don't get it. The NBN is not a project created primarily to deliver a return. It is a project designed to improve broadband nationwide and reduce the digital divide between rural/regional and metro areas, while delivering a return. The rollout and pricing reflect these objectives.

You admitted yourself that takeup rates indicate that areas outside the metro centres want the NBN more than those in the cities. Doesn't this then support the NBN's policy of a concurrent regional/metro rollout?

Love your perseverance, facts and logic Myths.

Without getting into a political bun fight here note that the Barnett government in WA (Liberal / Nats) is spending bullions on infrastructure in WA................guess how many of these have been subjected to a ROI business process............none that I am aware of.
Yet strangely the Mandurah rail line (built by Labor) was hammered night and day because it failed everyone's (who wanted to knock it) ROI projections.
After it was built it became the most successful line of any rail built in the state.

For some reason people really fear change and politicians just love to feed off peoples fear often repeated though these threads.

 

[IFocus]

NBN ppl were just starting to roll up in front of my house....exciting times!

My area is also on the roll out list looking forward to the same best I can get is 1.5 without paying a fortune go NBN and if the Coalition can the project then my property / area price premium just gets better.

LOL go Turnbul

 

[sydboy007]

I'm not the smartest, but when doing a project, of any size, wouldn't ROI be an important factor?

So, why roll it out in the sticks, poor uptake, and leave the big smoke for later dates?

Wouldn't rolling it out in heavily populated areas be the smart (and first) thing to do, to maximize return and pay down debt?

It's almost like the ALP LOVE DEBT. Pig in $hit.

* Deal with independents so had to rollout in the less populated areas

* Could have been done from the densely populated suburbs out but would require support from Dr NO.

* ACCC forced 122 POIs onto the NBN when they had a far easier 12 in their original plan

 

[sydboy007]

For some reason people really fear change and politicians just love to feed off peoples fear often repeated though these threads.

That is sadly true these days.

Abbott has shown negativity and constant fear works wonders.

I don't see the ALP being any better in opposition. What's good for the goose is good for the gander I suppose

 

[medicowallet]

That is sadly true these days.

Abbott has shown negativity and constant fear works wonders.

I don't see the ALP being any better in opposition. What's good for the goose is good for the gander I suppose

The fear campaign only works because of Rudd's and Gillard's record.

Why would you trust them to be able to roll out a $50 billion plan when their record for much smaller "plans" is so pathetic.

It also smacks of largesse when we witness debt and trade deficits blowing out, for a service of which a vast majority of people have adequate speeds, and it is unlikely to contribute much if any to exports over imports.

Sometimes it is better to pace yourself than run in all guns blazing.

MW

 

[chode84]

Wouldn't rolling it out in heavily populated areas be the smart (and first) thing to do, to maximize return and pay down debt?

As NBNmyths has already pointed out, you really are missing the point aren't you? Not everything in life is done to make as much money as humanly possible. This may surprise you, but the Governments primary role is not to act like a private business. It's to provide services.

Sure, it can't bleed money forever and needs to be financially viable in the long term but prioritising the NBN for areas with already decent infrastructure entirely defeats it's purpose considering the roll-out time frame.

 

[sptrawler]

Love your perseverance, facts and logic Myths.

Without getting into a political bun fight here note that the Barnett government in WA (Liberal / Nats) is spending bullions on infrastructure in WA................guess how many of these have been subjected to a ROI business process............none that I am aware of.
Yet strangely the Mandurah rail line (built by Labor) was hammered night and day because it failed everyone's (who wanted to knock it) ROI projections.
After it was built it became the most successful line of any rail built in the state.

For some reason people really fear change and politicians just love to feed off peoples fear often repeated though these threads.

You really do have to stop manipulating the truth.LOL
The Liberals were putting in the Mandurah line, the tunnel onto the freeway is still there (empty).
Labor chose to change the route down the centre of the freeway, taking up an extra 5 lanes of capacity.lol
This is the problem, Labor see any big spending issue has to be vote grabbing, it doesn't matter if it makes sense or not.
Running the train line down the centre of the freeway was dumb, we will end up having to spend billions to sort it out.
But that is Labor.IMO Fortunatelly the electorate seems to havewoken up to the crap, going by the latest poll the State election.
Back on track, the NBN will be cut back no matter who wins the election.IMO