Tony Abbott for PM

[Calliope]

I can see there's no reasoned argument in this forum.

You are right. Left wing propaganda is not reasoned argument.

 

[drsmith]

Politically, what is lacking is some fresh material.

This though isn't the time of year for it.

 

[explod]

You are right. Left wing propaganda is not reasoned argument.

In your narrow view of course.

There is a healthy place for all sides of the coin and there is many a right wing Government that has adopted left wing policies and ideas and vice versa.

Sometimes wonder why frigid uncompromising souls find they are able to discuss anything with some of us mere mortals at all.

And would be a waste of a bang-head in fact.w

 

[sails]

Sails and credibility...i think we are way past that point. ...

Are you all on the grog? - something is making you guys more aggressive than usual...

 

[sydboy007]

Of course I support what Mal Brough did, just as you support what Peter Slipper does. It won't be long before he will be my local member.



Be careful what you wish for. Justice could put Gillard behind bars.

I'd be willing to wager that the LNP front bench have far more to fear from the AFP this year than Gillard.

Tis a sad day for democracy that you would support someone who gains deceitful access to someones diary. I wonder if you will still support him should there be an adverse finding against him when the AFP investigation is completed?

 

[sptrawler]

I'd be willing to wager that the LNP front bench have far more to fear from the AFP this year than Gillard.

Tis a sad day for democracy that you would support someone who gains deceitful access to someones diary. I wonder if you will still support him should there be an adverse finding against him when the AFP investigation is completed?

And tell me, how the hell is that worse than members of parliament misappropriating money from people they are representing?
Jeez are you lost or what.

Also talking about AFP investigations, why doesn't Gillard call one to clear her name.LOL
You're calling Abbott on an acquaintance, why not call Gillard on a lover?LOL
Lets not throw stones in glass houses.

 

[sydboy007]

And tell me, how the hell is that worse than members of parliament misappropriating money from people they are representing?
Jeez are you lost or what.

Also talking about AFP investigations, why doesn't Gillard call one to clear her name.LOL
You're calling Abbott on an acquaintance, why not call Gillard on a lover?LOL
Lets not throw stones in glass houses.

I'm all for chasing down any of the union leaders who've donw wrong.

You just don't seem to support looking into the wrong of the LNP

I'd dearly love the Hanson slush fund set up by Abbott to be reexamined. Certainly not as far in the distant past at what the LNP claim Gillard did. For Abbot to say "there are some things the public has no particular right to know" well that is certainly not the kind of PM I want.

Anywho, how about you bring the topic back into the discussion rather than attacking my character?

Once again I'll say if any of the claims I've made are false, present me the evidence and I'll happily change it.

Otherwise lets talk about the reasons for or against Tony being PM???

 

[Calliope]

I'd be willing to wager that the LNP front bench have far more to fear from the AFP this year than Gillard

That's just wishful thinking.

Tis a sad day for democracy that you would support someone who gains deceitful access to someones diary. I wonder if you will still support him should there be an adverse finding against him when the AFP investigation is completed?

Of course. It's just a trumped up charge made by an idiot. Don't pin you hopes on something as trivial as a page out of Slippery's diary. The AFP would not be silly enough to take this seriously.

"Tis a sad day for democracy" when people like you believe such nonsense.

I can see by your last post that you have been well indoctrinated.

 

[sydboy007]

That's just wishful thinking.



Of course. It's just a trumped up charge made by an idiot. Don't pin you hopes on something as trivial as a page out of Slippery's diary. The AFP would not be silly enough to take this seriously.

"Tis a sad day for democracy" when people like you believe such nonsense.

I can see by your last post that you have been well indoctrinated.

Seems there's no reasoning with you guys on here . Conspiracy theories and tin foiled hats me thinks! Trumped up charges. I suppose the legal system is only valid when aimed at those you don't support? Hope your role at MiniTruth is rewarding.

Ill wait till someone actually posts on the topic before commenting again.

 

[Calliope]

Seems there's no reasoning with you guys on here . Conspiracy theories and tin foiled hats me thinks! Trumped up charges. I suppose the legal system is only valid when aimed at those you don't support? Hope your role at MiniTruth is rewarding.

Ill wait till someone actually posts on the topic before commenting again.

The problem with turning up late is that all the things you are harping about including the Slippery Pete issue have been well covered in previous threads and posts. I don't think anyone is interested in re-hashing this old stuff, so it is good to see you won't be "commenting" again.

 

[explod]

The problem with turning up late is that all the things you are harping about including the Slippery Pete issue have been well covered in previous threads and posts. I don't think anyone is interested in re-hashing this old stuff, so it is good to see you won't be "commenting" again.

Yeh, got the slipper and out of puff.

Bet this space will have more to run with attention now turning to what My Abbott knows/knew.

 

[sydboy007]

Some argue everyone hates Gillard

I'll counter argue and say currently the Carbon Tax has more support than Abbot for PM - at least by the polling numbers

The MRRT is also popular (66% support) compared to Tony for PM

Also the NBN seems to have 65%+ support - once again more popular than Tony

So I wonder why he wants to kill all 3 when public support seams to have grown stronger through 2012 for these 3 policies?

Now

Tony says he will not increase taxes on Businesses. Yet he has a paid parental leave scheme. This will be funded by a 1.7% levy on the nation's top 3200 businesses on all taxable income in excess of $5m, which he said would raise $2.7bn a year.

So it's not a tax, but a levy. Weasel words?? He will also be paying around 4 times a year more for the scheme compared to the Gillard Govt. As far as I can tell he still has a policy in place to increase the baby bonus to above $5000, where as the Govt has cut this wasteful program to just $3000

No small Govt there from what I can see.

So

If Abbott using a levy on businesses is not a new tax, and the PM said she would not introduce a carbon tax, but instead brought in a carbon pricing scheme, then I would think either both are using weasel words to get around what most people would consider a tax, OR both are correct in what they're doing??


Border protection:

Tony says he will turn back the boats.

Looking at the history of the Howard Govt - Only five of more than 240 boats that arrived were ever turned back

TPVs did little to halt the boats. More than 8400 people arrived on boats in the two years after TPVs were introduced in 1999

Of the 11,000 refugees granted TPVs, most stayed in Australia anyway. Only 379 were sent home.


Education:

Little detail on public school funding

Christopher Pyne has repeatedly said that class sizes are not important and there's no problem with equity in education.

Abbott has suggested it is private schools that are under the gun in the funding system.


Childcare

Supports funding for nannies - will ask the producitivity commission to examine the effects on funding

Has pledged to work with states on slowing the quality and safety reforms of the Gillard Govt. Is against increasing the ratio of carers to children.

Occasional Care funding - seems only targeted at Victoria, provides no long term regular places for children. Run from local community centers. At $12.6M in funding does not seem to be a priority.


healthcare:

Will cut the national GP after hours phone line (1800 022 222) - allows parents with sick children to be able to find an available GP near by

Will bring back unmeans tested healthcare rebate - currently unfunded as no mention of how he will pay for this (minimum $2.8 billion)

Will bring back Chronic Disease Dental Scheme. Was meant to help low income earners gain access to dental care, but was predominantly used by the wealthy. Currently unfunded promise.

Worked with Pyne to bring the Health Legislation Amendment Bill to parliament in 2005. If enacted this policy would have allowed Abbott to remove Medicare funding for abortions. As yet he has not come out and said he will not try this again if elected. The Country Party sponsor of the motion, Stephen Lusher, compared most abortions to cosmetic surgery. Next he will be talking about "legitimate rape".


Foreign investment / trade

His policy seems harsher than the ALP ie NO involvement of SOEs while ALP puts them through tougher scrutiny and would prefer they do their investment into growing new businesses rather than taking over established ones.

How much input will Barnaby Joyce have in determining trade deals and foreign investment?

How does Tony feel Australian Super funds investing overseas should be treated?


Racial Vilification Laws:

Proposed to remove key elements of Section 18C of the Race Discrimination Act (RDA).

To expand:

4””Racial vilification

A person must not, by a public act, incite hatred towards, serious contempt for, or severe ridicule of, a person or group of persons on the ground of their race by””

(a) threatening physical harm to the person, or members of the group, or to property of the person or members of the group; or

(b) inciting others to threaten physical harm to the person, or members of the group, or to property of the person or members of the group.

So if he gets this legislation through, then Islamic extremists will be able to say whatever they like. Holocaust denyers will be able to say what they like.

Do we want An Australian society that says this is OK?? Death to infidels. Death to sub human Jews.

 

[MrBurns]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ you must be being paid by the word

 

[Calliope]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ you must be being paid by the word

Yes, very disappointing after he promised us relief from his long-winded "commentaries".

Ill wait till someone actually posts on the topic before commenting again.

 

[sydboy007]

I think I've added some new topics to the debate.

As yet with all of your posts, not 1 of them has refuted anything I've said. Not one.

I know you believe we will have candy canes and double rainbows for all, with unicorns in the streets once Abbott is elected.

For the rest of us, I think we want a bit of evidence first.

At least I can say truthfully I have spend many hours reading about Abbott and what he has said and done in the past to get an understanding of his plans in office.

I would be surprised if you can honestly say the same!

So please stop attacking me and attack my arguments.

The moderators on this forum need to take a leaf from Whirlpool and start deleting posts that are off topic or personal attacks.

So please, pick 1 of the topics of my previous post and talk about it. Refute it, or agree with it, but talk about what I've said, not about me.

 

[MrBurns]

So please, pick 1 of the topics of my previous post and talk about it. Refute it, or agree with it, but talk about what I've said, not about me.

Not interested ......you've already lost the election.

 

[sydboy007]

Not interested ......you've already lost the election.

Great to see you will vote for a party and have no care as to what they will actually do.

You must be a very religious person to take these things on belief alone.

Funny that the accused green supporting lefty is far more willing to have a reasoned debate than the self believing right. Still, Abbott has the same attitude, so hopefully as the months move on in 2013 more and more people will start to ask the tough questions, and become disenchanted when they get no answers.

 

[drsmith]

Not interested ......you've already lost the election.

That they have, and when it comes, it will be a devastating loss for Labor.

 

[MrBurns]

Great to see you will vote for a party and have no care as to what they will actually do.

You must be a very religious person to take these things on belief alone.

Funny that the accused green supporting lefty is far more willing to have a reasoned debate than the self believing right. Still, Abbott has the same attitude, so hopefully as the months move on in 2013 more and more people will start to ask the tough questions, and become disenchanted when they get no answers.

This debate has been going on for years, it's done.

The Libs will release policy in due course and Labor will be judged on it's record.

 

[Calliope]

At least I can say truthfully I have spend many hours reading about Abbott and what he has said and done in the past to get an understanding of his plans in office.

That's the problem. Your "commentaries" are too one-sided. Perhaps you should hone up on Gillard's and Slipper's antics.

So please stop attacking me and attack my arguments.

It is worrying that you see criticism of your views as "personal attacks."

P.S. Your "commentary" left out Industrial Relations where you could have reasonably criticised Abbott for his inaction on ideas to dismantle the iniquitous FWA.