Australia - No Place For Real Men

[Garpal Gumnut]

No problem. I was aware I was on your ignore list and if you don't feel like you can handle the discussion feel free to place me on ignore again. It won't stop me from expressing my opinion

No mate, I'll not ignore you anymore, you have some good thoughts and convictions.

I just couldn't be tossed tonight to go back through your posts and argue with you, an academic or summat else on the public purse.

gg

 

[MrBurns]

Do you genuinely believe that? I mean, is the modern ALP so amazingly good that they have broken new ground which will be studied throughout history?

Really?

Right up until the voters prove that you cant fool everyone all the time.

Gillard is smart, clever , intelligent, but not for the benefit of you and I or "working Australians""

 

[sails]

Only if we wrap them in the cotton wool as is befitting their endangered species status.

So does that make you a female or a non-assertive male?

 

[Some Dude]

So does that make you a female or a non-assertive male?

LOL. Yes, I imagine I am often confused for a non-assertive male

 

[moXJO]

I'm also interested to hear from anyone else with the courage to come forward and tell us about how men are vilified in general society.

ok Ill bite:


Violence against a man is often times not taken as seriously as violence against a woman

it is much more difficult for a man to get custody of his children than a woman

Higher incarceration rates and longer sentencing for men than women who commit the same crime.

Lack of legal ramifications for paternity fraud

Boys education is hitting the rocks

here is much direct evidence that suggests that secondary education systems in Australia, have been deliberately set up or adapted to allow on average, girls to get better overall assessment grades than boys. This can be seen in the following linked documents:

http://eprints.qut.edu.au/2127/

http://www.worldcongress.org/wcf3_spkrs/wcf3_francis.htm

And plenty more such as suicide rates, services for men etc

I don't really want to go om a man rant as I am pro women doing well. But being a father of two boys, I want the best for them as well

 

[Some Dude]

Violence against a man is often times not taken as seriously as violence against a woman

it is much more difficult for a man to get custody of his children than a woman

Higher incarceration rates and longer sentencing for men than women who commit the same crime.

Lack of legal ramifications for paternity fraud

Boys education is hitting the rocks

...

And plenty more such as suicide rates, services for men etc

And I would agree with every point you list there as being issues that are in need of addressing. Both sexes have legitimate issues that should be genuinely dealt with.

But I still don't see how any of those issues are a threat to being a real man in this country, or as part of a vilification of men in a new effete paradigm.

 

[moXJO]

And I would agree with every point you list there as being issues that are in need of addressing. Both sexes have legitimate issues that should be genuinely dealt with.

But I still don't see how any of those issues are a threat to being a real man in this country, or as part of a vilification of men in a new effete paradigm.

I should have read GG post beforehand

 

[DocK]

ok Ill bite:


Violence against a man is often times not taken as seriously as violence against a woman

it is much more difficult for a man to get custody of his children than a woman

Higher incarceration rates and longer sentencing for men than women who commit the same crime.

Lack of legal ramifications for paternity fraud

Boys education is hitting the rocks


http://eprints.qut.edu.au/2127/

http://www.worldcongress.org/wcf3_spkrs/wcf3_francis.htm

And plenty more such as suicide rates, services for men etc

I don't really want to go om a man rant as I am pro women doing well. But being a father of two boys, I want the best for them as well

I wouldn't disagree with anything you've listed. As a mother of two boys, I also want the best for them. There is work to be done on inequalities towards both sexes it would seem.

 

[sails]

ok Ill bite:


Violence against a man is often times not taken as seriously as violence against a woman

it is much more difficult for a man to get custody of his children than a woman

Higher incarceration rates and longer sentencing for men than women who commit the same crime.

Lack of legal ramifications for paternity fraud

Boys education is hitting the rocks


http://eprints.qut.edu.au/2127/

http://www.worldcongress.org/wcf3_spkrs/wcf3_francis.htm

And plenty more such as suicide rates, services for men etc

I don't really want to go om a man rant as I am pro women doing well. But being a father of two boys, I want the best for them as well

moXJO, I agree with you and that's coming from a female perspective...

If Abbott had said the same things to Gillard that she said in her infamous misogynist speech, we would have never heard the end of it with full criticisms of his nastiness. GG is right - there is gender bias and it seems feminism is to be more aggressive and superior than a male rather than simply achieve equality as I understand was the original intention.

My son had to go through the courts to get fair time with his kids after a marriage break down and it seems that gender bias in favour of the female is alive and well.

He did OK, albeit it around $40k in legal costs which seems ludicrous when a good dad just wants to give his kids the basic right of having their dad in their lives. This gender bias is a worry for our sons - I agree entirely.

I can understand why the male suicide rate is so high.

 

[Ves]

You got that right Ves.

Looks like I walked right into that one. Touche.

 

[Some Dude]

No mate, I'll not ignore you anymore, you have some good thoughts and convictions.

I just couldn't be tossed tonight to go back through your posts and argue with you, an academic or summat else on the public purse.

Can I suggest that if you are going to go back through my posts, that you start with this one.

For the life of me I do not understand lefties posting on a Stock Forum.

Maybe your 2013 resolution should be to seek a genuine and real answer for this potentially perceptive question.

It might help you become more self aware about the assumptions you make, including ones about academics and the public purse

 

[Mrmagoo]

It is not so long ago that a women was supposed to be "barfoot, pregnant and at the kitchen sink"

This woman thing has gone too far. Women already have too many opinions. I guess it is their right but the time for reminding ourselves that women are now allowed to do this and that is long gone. Yes, I know women have opinions as I am constantly reminded by every single source of communication that women this, women that ......

I care about women in so far as they're the erotic naked kind, beyond that I just don't want to hear about it anymore.

That being said, Tony Abbott is not a real man. He is a soft handed, blue blooded posh private school boy inner city elitist scum bag who has never done a hard days work in his life and would in fact shatter the lively hood of many of these stereotypical "real men".

Gillard has also been the victim of terrible sexism and abuse and this country should be ashamed. That has nothing to do with her being a woman and a lot to do with the attitude of others towards women, which unfortunately yes, old men in positions of power with lots and lots of money do tend to be a tad sexist.

 

[Julia]

Could some of you blokes kindly explain the characteristics of "a real man"?

gg? Given that you raised the topic re Mr Abbott?

 

[MrBurns]

Could some of you blokes kindly explain the characteristics of "a real man"?

gg? Given that you raised the topic re Mr Abbott?

Somene who understands the different roles of men and women.

Somene who appreciates women for the differences they present to us.

Someone who is prepared to protect women with their own lives.

That'll do for now..........

 

[drsmith]

Could some of you blokes kindly explain the characteristics of "a real man"?

For Labor, it's Peter Slipper.

 

[Mrmagoo]

Could some of you blokes kindly explain the characteristics of "a real man"?

gg? Given that you raised the topic re Mr Abbott?

I don't know I thought it was a term women used on dating sites to refer to cashed up tradies.

I'll try though. The paraphrase most likely refers to the cultural profiling of men into low paid blue collar work. Being a real man is about pain. I'll explain.

Real men work in manual jobs and get paid crap all. The cause of this is unknown. Likely it is cultural. The term "real man" evolved from the surrounding cultural identities of men caught in the cycle of low paid blue collar work.

 

[Julia]

OK, thank you Mrmagoo. I guess that's a start. Anyone else?

 

[Some Dude]

Could some of you blokes kindly explain the characteristics of "a real man"?

Has a Y chromosome.

Sorry to sound glib but that is my real answer. I don't feel my sense of being a man is dependpant on anythng else, and the characteristics that I admire in male role models are also present in females. I can list those characteristics in that context if you wish.

 

[Calliope]

I care about women in so far as they're the erotic naked kind, beyond that I just don't want to hear about it anymore.

I guess that you are a pr0n movie fan.:hide:

 

[cynic]

Has a Y chromosome.

Sorry to sound glib but that is my real answer. I don't feel my sense of being a man is dependpant on anythng else, and the characteristics that I admire in male role models are also present in females. I can list those characteristics in that context if you wish.

I agree with what you say about the Y chromosome and would also be very interested in seeing your gender indiscriminate list of admirable characteristics.