Food Glorious Food

[MrBurns]

Stole this from another forum but would be a good place to swap ideas, recipies, philosophies about what goes into our systems.

Just finished the book Sweet Poison about how sugar has taken over the food industry, the 3 biggest consumers are Coke. Pepsi and Cadbury Schweppes

Before sugar took over they couldnt give tea or coffee away now people cant get enough of it, before sugar there was little obesity, now there's an epidemic.

So sugar sells and so it's in everything.

If you can avoid sugar you wil lose weight without doing anything else, I've tried it , it works.

One great quote from a poster on the other forum.

"Food doesn't have ingredients"

Think about it.

 

[CanOz]

Stole this from another forum but would be a good place to swap ideas, recipies, philosophies about what goes into our systems.

Just finished the book Sweet Poison about how sugar has taken over the food industry, the 3 biggest consumers are Coke. Pepsi and Cadbury Schweppes

Before sugar took over they couldnt give tea or coffee away now people cant get enough of it, before sugar there was little obesity, now there's an epidemic.

So sugar sells and so it's in everything.

If you can avoid sugar you wil lose weight without doing anything else, I've tried it , it works.

One great quote from a poster on the other forum.

"Food doesn't have ingredients"

Think about it.

Too right Mr.B and i hate sugar, if i have a soda I'll have a diet. The full strength stuff gives me a hell of a crash. I do like my wine though and it has ingredients...

I look at my FB friends from overseas and they're all fat as houses now...yet here, I'm surrounded by thin people.

The kids are getting fat though, and its the sugar!! Coke, Sprite etc...

The adults are drinking tea, water, beer and bijou and that's about it.

CanOz

 

[MrBurns]

Too right Mr.B and i hate sugar, if i have a soda I'll have a diet. The full strength stuff gives me a hell of a crash. I do like my wine though and it has ingredients...

I look at my FB friends from overseas and they're all fat as houses now...yet here, I'm surrounded by thin people.

The kids are getting fat though, and its the sugar!! Coke, Sprite etc...

The adults are drinking tea, water, beer and bijou and that's about it.

CanOz

Wines ok (whether it is or not )
Spirits are ok
Diet drinks are ok

Soft drinks and ice cream are out big time.

Sugar is in a lot of sauces too, tomato sauce, mint jelly, packet gravies.

If it taste sweet don't eat it is the rule.

I've found that you cant avoid it completely, I cant eat lamb without mint sauce for instance.

 

[CanOz]

Wines ok (whether it is or not )
Spirits are ok
Diet drinks are ok

Soft drinks and ice cream are out big time.

Sugar is in a lot of sauces too, tomato sauce, mint jelly, packet gravies.

If it taste sweet don't eat it is the rule.

I've found that you cant avoid it completely, I cant eat lamb without mint sauce for instance.

My friend who frequents this site from time to time had a cholesterol problem for a while...his motto was "if it tastes good, spit it out!"

Re the Lamb, i can't eat lamb without drinking a bottle of Shiraz!


CanOz

 

[Bill M]

I travel overseas extensively and all I can say is that the average Australian Take Away is just crap. The food I see our kids with the most is deep fried chips. Overseas in Asia you just wouldn't see the kids eating it. CanOz I believe you like to stay/live in Thailand, I think. You will note that Thai people will eat somtam (spicy papaya salad) as their favourite dish. They buy rice and eat salad and they love it, very few would buy deep fried chips. Most Thai people are no where near as fat as Australians in general.

We in OZ need to get off the Pizzas, fish and chips, meat pies and cakes for breakfast then we might get somewhere.

I put it to a test once. Went overseas for 6 Months. I started off at 89 kilos, ate only local Asian food all around Asia and I drank more than my fair share of beer. I lost 14 kilos without trying. It was all in the food and nothing to do with the beer.

Give me the Asian diet (particularly Thai food) to the western diet any day.

 

[CanOz]

CanOz I believe you like to stay/live in Thailand, I think. You will note that Thai people will eat somtam (spicy papaya salad) as their favourite dish. They buy rice and eat salad and they love it, very few would buy deep fried chips. Most Thai people are no where near as fat as Australians in general.

Give me the Asian diet (particularly Thai food) to the western diet any day.

Yeah, totally agree. I live in China Bill but I've been to Thailand a dozen times...actually the kids there are in better shape than here....less spoiled too.

CanOz

 

[sptrawler]

I put it to a test once. Went overseas for 6 Months. I started off at 89 kilos, ate only local Asian food all around Asia and I drank more than my fair share of beer. I lost 14 kilos without trying. It was all in the food and nothing to do with the beer.

Give me the Asian diet (particularly Thai food) to the western diet any day.

I'm with you on that Bill, Thai food is magic.
However I found Bali better if you wish to get weight off quickly, there is nothing like a dose of Bali belly to get that weight down presto.

 

[McLovin]

I travel overseas extensively and all I can say is that the average Australian Take Away is just crap. The food I see our kids with the most is deep fried chips. Overseas in Asia you just wouldn't see the kids eating it. CanOz I believe you like to stay/live in Thailand, I think. You will note that Thai people will eat somtam (spicy papaya salad) as their favourite dish. They buy rice and eat salad and they love it, very few would buy deep fried chips. Most Thai people are no where near as fat as Australians in general.

We in OZ need to get off the Pizzas, fish and chips, meat pies and cakes for breakfast then we might get somewhere.

I put it to a test once. Went overseas for 6 Months. I started off at 89 kilos, ate only local Asian food all around Asia and I drank more than my fair share of beer. I lost 14 kilos without trying. It was all in the food and nothing to do with the beer.

Give me the Asian diet (particularly Thai food) to the western diet any day.

I think a lot of that has to do with portion sizes. Thai food itself isn't always that healthy (a lot of their noodle dishes have plenty of oil + carbs) it's just that they eat smaller portions. Your average size pad sie yew or pad thai has about 1,000 to 1,200 calories/serving in Australia but in Thailand the serving size is half.

Much of Europe is the same, a French family of four will eat a steak that is equivalent size to what a single Australian would. They have a diet high in butter and cheese and oil, yet they have a low level of obesity. It's all portion control.

 

[CanOz]

I think a lot of that has to do with portion sizes. Thai food itself isn't always that healthy (a lot of their noodle dishes have plenty of oil + carbs) it's just that they eat smaller portions. Your average size pad sie yew or pad thai has about 1,000 to 1,200 calories/serving in Australia but in Thailand the serving size is half.

Much of Europe is the same, a French family of four will eat a steak that is equivalent size to what a single Australian would. They have a diet high in butter and cheese and oil, yet they have a low level of obesity. It's all portion control.

yeah, good point mate...allot that i see along this line of thought too. Balanced comes to mind....

 

[MrBurns]

A few more things,

Never use vegetable oil, it's actually palm oil, very bad for you , always use olive oil.

Use butter, not margarine.

And low fat foods are usually stuffed with sugar , avoid them.

 

[MrBurns]

I think a lot of that has to do with portion sizes. Thai food itself isn't always that healthy (a lot of their noodle dishes have plenty of oil + carbs) it's just that they eat smaller portions. Your average size pad sie yew or pad thai has about 1,000 to 1,200 calories/serving in Australia but in Thailand the serving size is half.

Much of Europe is the same, a French family of four will eat a steak that is equivalent size to what a single Australian would. They have a diet high in butter and cheese and oil, yet they have a low level of obesity. It's all portion control.

I bet their sugar consumtion is low, sugar or more particularly fructos upsets the hypothalamus, that part of the brain that controls appetite, once you eliminate sugar the hypothalamus starts working again and you aren't as hungry.

 

[CanOz]

A few more things,

Never use vegetable oil, it's actually palm oil, very bad for you , always use olive oil.

Use butter, not margarine.

And low fat foods are usually stuffed with sugar , avoid them.

Bean oil is ok...and if your cooking with olive oil make sure its the right kind.

I use/eat butter...and cheese...just finished off a nice goat cheese with a half bottle of S.African red...

CanOz

 

[sptrawler]

A few more things,

Never use vegetable oil, it's actually palm oil, very bad for you , always use olive oil.

Use butter, not margarine.

And low fat foods are usually stuffed with sugar , avoid them.

My wife was told to cook with rice bran oil, apparenlty it has a a much higher burning temp.

The problem with vegetable and olive oil, is they burning, they burn at temperatures us aussies cook at, around 170-180c.
Rice bran oil has a smoking temp of about 210c, much healthier.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_bran_oil

 

[MrBurns]

Bean oil is ok...and if your cooking with olive oil make sure its the right kind.

I use/eat butter...and cheese...just finished off a nice goat cheese with a half bottle of S.African red...

CanOz

Only half a bottle ?

Whats the right kind of olive oil ?

 

[Julia]

My friend who frequents this site from time to time had a cholesterol problem for a while...his motto was "if it tastes good, spit it out!"
CanOz

So one of life's greatest pleasures should be avoided. Sounds really silly to me. Plenty of very healthy, nutritious food tastes wonderful, viz fresh fruits and vegetables.

I travel overseas extensively and all I can say is that the average Australian Take Away is just crap.

Well, sensible people just don't do take away but prepare their own food.
Agree that anyone including other than very occasional take away rubbish is doing themselves a disservice.

I think a lot of that has to do with portion sizes. Thai food itself isn't always that healthy (a lot of their noodle dishes have plenty of oil + carbs) it's just that they eat smaller portions. Your average size pad sie yew or pad thai has about 1,000 to 1,200 calories/serving in Australia but in Thailand the serving size is half.

Much of Europe is the same, a French family of four will eat a steak that is equivalent size to what a single Australian would. They have a diet high in butter and cheese and oil, yet they have a low level of obesity. It's all portion control.

Agree entirely.

A few more things,

Never use vegetable oil, it's actually palm oil, very bad for you , always use olive oil.

That's just not true. There is palm oil and there are various different vegetable oils which have no relationship to palm oil.

Use butter, not margarine.

Agree here, but the food police will disagree.

And low fat foods are usually stuffed with sugar , avoid them.

What? All your fruits and vegetables are low in fat with the exception of eg avocados where the naturally occurring fat is very healthy.

I bet their sugar consumtion is low, sugar or more particularly fructos upsets the hypothalamus, that part of the brain that controls appetite, once you eliminate sugar the hypothalamus starts working again and you aren't as hungry.

It sounds as though you've been sucked in by the spinmasters on sugar. If you can point me to a double blind, randomised, controlled trial which demonstrates that fructose disturbs the hypothalamus, I'd like to read it.

There is no particular food which, if avoided, will guarantee the maintenance of a healthy weight.
Imo far too many people eat far too much carbohydrate. The obesity epidemic began around the time nutritionists came out in force saying all carbs are good - eat as much as you like - you won't gain weight.
Absolute rubbish. The greedy, undisciplined masses jumped on the opportunity to chomp down massive bowls of pasta, eight slices of bread per day, potatoes every which way etc., and then wondered why they got fat.

Focus on fresh, unprocessed foods, simply cooked, avoid too much carbohydrate, and have moderate levels of healthy fat, and a bit of animal fat such as butter and cream to provide great texture and flavour, along with small amounts of protein daily.

 

[MrBurns]

It sounds as though you've been sucked in by the spinmasters on sugar. If you can point me to a double blind, randomised, controlled trial which demonstrates that fructose disturbs the hypothalamus, I'd like to read it.
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Fructose will not stimulate the release of any of the ‘enough to eat’ hormones. Fructose skips the fat-creation control mechanism in the liver (PFK-1) and is directly converted to fatty acids (and then body fat) without passing through either of our major appetite control gateways (insulin or CCK). Fructose is also invisible to our built-in calorie counter (the hypothalamus).

http://sweetpoison.wikidot.com/fructose

 

[MrBurns]

That's just not true. There is palm oil and there are various different vegetable oils which have no relationship to palm oil.

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We’ve been told that the secret to curing heart disease is to consume unsaturated vegetable oils rather than saturated animal fats. So now all the fats in our processed foods are labelled ‘vegetable oil’ and the labels are rarely more specific than that.

The irony is that there is no such thing as oil from a vegetable. The products being pushed to us as vegetable oils are fruit oils (coconut, palm, olive or avocado), nut oils (macadamia, peanut, pecan, and so on) or seed oils (canola, sunflower, soy or rice bran).

There’s nothing much wrong with the fruit oils (I’ll go into why later) and some of the nut oils are okay, too. But the seed oils are extraordinarily dangerous. And unfortunately they make up almost all of the ‘vegetable oils’ in our food.

http://sweetpoison.com.au/?page_id=473

 

[burglar]

The biggest ingredient missing from my regimen is "exercise"!

 

[MrBurns]

What? All your fruits and vegetables are low in fat with the exception of eg avocados where the naturally occurring fat is very healthy.

I meant foods labeled low fat.........

It sounds as though you've been sucked in by the spinmasters on sugar. If you can point me to a double blind, randomised, controlled trial which demonstrates that fructose disturbs the hypothalamus, I'd like to read it.

There is no particular food which, if avoided, will guarantee the maintenance of a healthy weight.
Imo far too many people eat far too much carbohydrate. The obesity epidemic began around the time nutritionists came out in force saying all carbs are good - eat as much as you like - you won't gain weight.
Absolute rubbish. The greedy, undisciplined masses jumped on the opportunity to chomp down massive bowls of pasta, eight slices of bread per day, potatoes every which way etc., and then wondered why they got fat.

Focus on fresh, unprocessed foods, simply cooked, avoid too much carbohydrate, and have moderate levels of healthy fat, and a bit of animal fat such as butter and cream to provide great texture and flavour, along with small amounts of protein daily.

I didnt say avoiding sugar alone is the answer but I bet it goes a long way towards a solution to many health problems.

The emergence of obesity is in direct proprtion to the uptake of sugar.

•In the space of 150 years, we have gone from eating no added sugar to more than a kilogram a week.

http://www.penguin.com.au/products/9780670072477/sweet-poison-why-sugar-makes-us-fat

 

[MrBurns]

The biggest ingredient missing from my regimen is "exercise"!

You only need 20 minutes 3 times a week, go for a walk.