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Here we go again - Labor will have to clean up the mess Liberals created.
Same old story - when will Australia wake up to these perennial incompetents.


NSW abandons hopes of budget surplus next year

NSW will be in the red for longer than forecast after the state government revealed today that a revision to Commonwealth grants and weaker than expected mining royalties would delay a return to surplus until 2014-15.
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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/nsw-aband...s-next-year-20121220-2boty.html#ixzz2FZNpmqRx
 
IFocus said:
Here we go again - Labor will have to clean up the mess Liberals created.
Same old story - when will Australia wake up to these perennial incompetents.


NSW abandons hopes of budget surplus next year




Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/nsw-aband...s-next-year-20121220-2boty.html#ixzz2FZNpmqRx
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Yes, because Costello left NSW state government with a large surplus to begin with ;)

At least there is the possibility of a surplus going forward. There is not with the current clown of a federal treasurer/comrade we have.

MW
 
explod said:
So what is your take Julia?
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On what? Mr Gottliebson's outline of Tony Abbott's plans?
I don't have any 'take' on it. As we have seen so often from the government, anyone can make promises about what they will do. Until they tell us how they will fund it, (eg Gonski education improvements, the NDIS et al) I give none of it any credence.

For what it's worth the Abbott plan, as outlined by Gottliebson, seems to me to be on the right lines.
Hell of a long way to go, however, between that and getting elected and then putting it into practice.
I shall not be holding my breath.
 
John McTernan, Julia Gillard's head honcho, is a Labour warrior from the UK, specifically employed to attack Tony Abbott.

It is working so far, Tony has bad press and has been accused of being a misogynist, by people with no knowledge of English or of gender adversity. Doctors wives and Female Labor Politicians are not adversely impacted in Australian society.

This pom, has been successful so far, but anyone who knows Tony Abbott knows that he is a good man with Australia's successful future as his driver.

People who don't like blokes or who are swayed by a pom's tricks, may take against Tony.

He will however turn out to be one of our Greater PM's, in the tradition of Menzies and Howard.

Voters will see through McTernans machinations before the Election.

Western Sydney and Rural/Regional Queensland have decided.

The Truth will out, despite this Pommy's tricks.

When McTernan goes back to write for the English Gutter Press, Tony Abbott will be PM.


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Garpal Gumnut said:
John McTernan, Julia Gillard's head honcho, is a Labour warrior from the UK, specifically employed to attack Tony Abbott.

It is working so far, Tony has bad press and has been accused of being a misogynist, by people with no knowledge of English or of gender adversity. Doctors wives and Female Labor Politicians are not adversely impacted in Australian society.

This pom, has been successful so far, but anyone who knows Tony Abbott knows that he is a good man with Australia's successful future as his driver.

People who don't like blokes or who are swayed by a pom's tricks, may take against Tony.

He will however turn out to be one of our Greater PM's, in the tradition of Menzies and Howard.

Voters will see through McTernans machinations before the Election.

Western Sydney and Rural/Regional Queensland have decided.

The Truth will out, despite this Pommy's tricks.

When McTernan goes back to write for the English Gutter Press, Tony Abbott will be PM.


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I think your right GG.
 
How different is this Christmas message from Tony Abbott as opposed to the Pom Message from John McTernan, Julia Gillard's attack dog.

Federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has used his Christmas message to the nation to thank Australian troops currently serving abroad.
The Liberal Party leader said in his 2012 message on Monday that all Australians had much to be grateful for.
‘‘We are an open, decent and generous people who live free of the turmoil and bitter divisions that have gripped other nations,'' he said in a joint statement with his wife Margie.
''So much of our fortune is due to the sacrifice of others, so this Christmas, I pay particular tribute to the Australian troops currently serving abroad and their families at home.
''From our family to you, Margie and I wish you a happy Christmas. May it be enjoyable and peaceful and a safe time for everyone.
Mrs Abbott also paid tribute to the charities and the service organisations who not only gave throughout 2012, but also worked through the festive season.
''We want to thank you for all that you do,'' she said.‘‘You help so many people at this important time.’


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...hristmas-pm-20121224-2bu5h.html#ixzz2FysGSnVF
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Garpal Gumnut said:
How different is this Christmas message from Tony Abbott as opposed to the Pom Message from John McTernan, Julia Gillard's attack dog.
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Well you know gg that is wouldn't be easy to spin a Xmas message for an atheist PM for whom the Xmas tradition would have no significance.
 
Calliope said:
Well you know gg that is wouldn't be easy to spin a Xmas message for an atheist PM for whom the Xmas tradition would have no significance.
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Yes, because the Pagans and other "Atheist" or "Heathen" cultures, through their traditional festivals, (some of which the Christians heavily borrowed from) did not celebrate their Solstice festivals at this time of the year or anything.

There's plenty of links between life-death-re-birth and the worship of the Sun and the Jesus mythology if you would bother researching it. The influence of Pagans and other "Heathen" cultures are quite prevalent in Christian celebrations.

But I guess it's more fun being ignorant of the roots of the tradition, especially when it lets you snipe at the PM.

And that all being said, Christmas is becoming more and more secular in this day and age. It's more about family and giving and taking the time out to spend quality time with each other than a religious festival to a lot of people.

Earth to Calliope, get a clue.
 
Ves said:
And that all being said, Christmas is becoming more and more secular in this day and age. It's more about family and giving and taking the time out to spend quality time with each other than a religious festival to a lot of people.
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It's more about being a commercial occasion where retailers begin sucking people in halfway through the year and far too many people with far too little money spend far too much more than they can afford on families they don't much like anyway.
 
Ves said:
Yes, because the Pagans and other "Atheist" or "Heathen" cultures, through their traditional festivals, (some of which the Christians heavily borrowed from) did not celebrate their Solstice festivals at this time of the year or anything.

There's plenty of links between life-death-re-birth and the worship of the Sun and the Jesus mythology if you would bother researching it. The influence of Pagans and other "Heathen" cultures are quite prevalent in Christian celebrations.

But I guess it's more fun being ignorant of the roots of the tradition, especially when it lets you snipe at the PM.

And that all being said, Christmas is becoming more and more secular in this day and age. It's more about family and giving and taking the time out to spend quality time with each other than a religious festival to a lot of people.

Earth to Calliope, get a clue.
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You have to look at when a number of these myths are first recorded. Many in the first and second century in fact.

I find very often that people do not apply consistent rules when interpreting the validity of historical evidence. People don't want to know the truth.

Most would be prepared to accept one historical document as an event being a fact. The same person dismisses 5,200 Greek manuscripts in relation to the hirosticity of Christ.

Good luck to anyone who weighs up evidence for trading in this manner
 
pavilion103 said:
You have to look at when a number of these myths are first recorded. Many in the first and second century in fact.

I find very often that people do not apply consistent rules when interpreting the validity of historical evidence. People don't want to know the truth.

Most would be prepared to accept one historical document as an event being a fact. The same person dismisses 5,200 Greek manuscripts in relation to the hirosticity of Christ.

Good luck to anyone who weighs up evidence for trading in this manner
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Yes - all of these issues are very pertinent - I won't disagree here.

I actually found it very interesting myself just how many conflicting pieces of "evidence" there are out there to support whichever view one wants to accomodate.

My post basically just wanted to say that Christians don't necessarily have an absolute claim over Christmas because the beliefs that it inspires are found in other cultures / religions.

Thanks Pavillion - something to think about. :)
 
Julia said:
It's more about being a commercial occasion where retailers begin sucking people in halfway through the year and far too many people with far too little money spend far too much more than they can afford on families they don't much like anyway.
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I've actually found that now that I have been removed from a "formal" or "serious" celebration of Christmas that I experienced growing up that I don't really notice the commercial (conflicting) aspect of it any more. It's harder to see the extremes when you are stuck in the middle (in my case apathy). We're very casual in my family these days and don't really bother much with presents or religious customs, so I feel a lot more removed than I once was.
 
IFocus said:
Here we go again - Labor will have to clean up the mess Liberals created.
Same old story - when will Australia wake up to these perennial incompents
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I tend to think this is the way of Australian politics.
Labor get in and introduce a lot of policy and changes, that would never get through with a coalition government in office.
Also spending splurges and social initiatives are introduced when Labor are in.
Then the coalition get in and bring in the fiscal discipline to pay for it.
However if Labor didn't get in and have the splash for cash, the economy would be very staid.
But if Labor stay in government, you end up down the porcelain telephone.
So the swing from Labor to Liberals, is necessary, at least that's what I tell my kids.lol
Somebody will now put me in for child abuse.
 
Ves said:
Yes, because the Pagans and other "Atheist" or "Heathen" cultures, through their traditional festivals, (some of which the Christians heavily borrowed from) did not celebrate their Solstice festivals at this time of the year or anything.

There's plenty of links between life-death-re-birth and the worship of the Sun and the Jesus mythology if you would bother researching it. The influence of Pagans and other "Heathen" cultures are quite prevalent in Christian celebrations.

But I guess it's more fun being ignorant of the roots of the tradition, especially when it lets you snipe at the PM.

And that all being said, Christmas is becoming more and more secular in this day and age.
Earth to Calliope, get a clue.
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It doesn't matter much in Australia whether it is Christian or secular, it is certainly Bacchanalian. Xmas, like Easter means laying in a lot of booze for the two days of the year when we can't legally buy the stuff. Take away the booze, and Xmas, here, would wither on the vine. Tradition and your support of Gillard spin has nothing to do with it. It is part of our culture and we practice it all the year round, however Xmas and Easter are designed with days off work, so we can honour our culture with the pretense that we are somehow blessed.

You say "It's more about family and giving and taking the time out to spend quality time with each other than a religious festival to a lot of people." Quality time? Nonsense! Take the booze off the table or try to have a "dry" barbecue and your "quality time" would be complete boredom.

Earth to Vesrupria. Get a life.:rolleyes:

P.S. I have had so much "quality time" today that I am as pissed as a fart.:D
 
Calliope said:
You say "It's more about family and giving and taking the time out to spend quality time with each other than a religious festival to a lot of people." Quality time? Nonsense! Take the booze off the table or try to have a "dry" barbecue and your "quality time" would be complete boredom.
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Dunno I actually don't mind spending a bit of time with my family and don't need to be drunk or stoned to do it. Each to their own I guess.

Not all families have a heavy drinking culture, you know.
 
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