Gina Rinehart: "spend less time drinking or smoking and socialising"

[Calliope]

This was ratbag Wayne Swan's reaction to the speech. I think he is paranoid.:screwy:

But Mr Swan leapt on a suggestion from Mrs Rinehart in the video that firms operating in the Gulf of Mexico could reduce costs if they used "illegal labour from Mexico and the south".

"Not only has Gina Rinehart told her paymaster Tony Abbott he should consider slashing the minimum wage, now she says a competitive way to lower labour costs is by utilising illegal labour," a spokesman for the Treasurer said.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...gillards-lecture/story-fn59niix-1226465156248

 

[bellenuit]

Having listened to her talk in its entirety, I can only conclude that Gina is politically inept.

Although she didn't recommend hiring illegal foreign workers as they do in the Gulf of Mexico or paying workers just $2 per day as they do in some parts of Africa, she has left it open to interpretation that she would not be opposed to such things. Swan seized on them in the above quote and Gillard also in a speech today. If she had any political nous, she should have categorically stated that she was only using those as examples of what Australia has to compete against and was in no way advocating such practices be adopted in Australia, but instead she left it open to her opponents to suggest that that was what she was advocating. A suggestion made more plausible by her recent advocation of lowering the minimum wage

She must be aware that Labor sees her as a figurative example of the big bad cigar smoking capitalist and are using her speeches to not only attack the mining industry, but also attack the coalition by demanding they disassociate from her views. She should be a lot more careful in what she says. This was not an impromptu door stop interview that might be excused for badly thought out answers to ambush style questions, but a rehearsed pre-recorded speech that should have been vetted by people with more political nous than her.

 

[Knobby22]

It is what she wants and believes in.
She has asked for it previously,
that is: the mining part of Australia being granted special economic zone status where labour and environmental rules are relaxed.

 

[Calliope]

Having listened to her talk in its entirety, I can only conclude that Gina is politically inept.
..; She should be a lot more careful in what she says. This was not an impromptu door stop interview that might be excused for badly thought out answers to ambush style questions, but a rehearsed pre-recorded speech that should have been vetted by people with more political nous than her.

In other words, she should politicians' weasel language.

 

[drsmith]

She must be aware that Labor sees her as a figurative example of the big bad cigar smoking capitalist and are using her speeches to not only attack the mining industry, but also attack the coalition by demanding they disassociate from her views. She should be a lot more careful in what she says. This was not an impromptu door stop interview that might be excused for badly thought out answers to ambush style questions, but a rehearsed pre-recorded speech that should have been vetted by people with more political nous than her.

When it comes to productivity, she should perhaps concentrate on the broader economic perspective in that lower productivity will ultimately result in a lower dollar and hence lower real wages. I do wonder how much her perspective extends beyond her own immediate business interests. If it doesn't, she would do well to avoid public comment on economic matters. She's not going to win public support for her position on productivity from the standpoint of $2 a day wages in Africa.

She did at ont point briefly hire a media manager, but that only lasted a month. One can only assume she thought she knew more than he did.

I can see the picture Labor would try to paint. Perhaps something along the lines of a female Nasty Canasta.

 

[Knobby22]

In other words, she should politicians' weasel language.

That should be quote of the week!

 

[Miss Hale]

Did anyone else hear that Wayne Swan has dismissed Rinehart's video as "pearl rattling"? This coming from the party that constantly claims Abbott is being sexist and has a problem with powerful women

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2012/s3583308.htm

I've actually never heard this expression before but I assume it is a derrogatory comment implying Rinehart is a just a rich woman spouting forth while fiddling with her pearls. I can't see how this expression could be applied to a man. Now who is being sexist and has a problem wih powerful women?

(Someone please correct me if I am wrong and jumping to conclusions).

 

[bellenuit]

In other words, she should politicians' weasel language.

I'm not suggesting that at all. I'm suggesting that she should tie up some loose wording in her speech so that her opponents can't twist what she is saying into something that she was not trying to convey.

Just adding "I am not advocating such policies....." when talking about African and Gulf working conditions would have deprived Swan and Gillard of their glib responses and simplistic dismissal of her speech. Those responses will get equal footing with a brief abstract of what she said in this evening's news reports.

In regards to whose message will be heard, they will have won and she will have lost.

 

[Calliope]

I'm not suggesting that at all. I'm suggesting that she should tie up some loose wording in her speech so that her opponents can't twist what she is saying into something that she was not trying to convey.

Just adding "I am not advocating such policies....." when talking about African and Gulf working conditions would have deprived Swan and Gillard of their glib responses and simplistic dismissal of her speech..

Only twisted leftist political minds could infer that she was advocating this for Australia. She was just pointing out the difficulties of competing with countries where they have cheap labour. Rinehart also has the added handicap of operating under a system controlled by Labor backed militant unions.

I wonder why she bothers, when the country is controlled by people like Gillard, Swan and Shorten who have never operated or managed a business, and have no conception of the problems that Rinehart faces.

 

[banco]

Having listened to her talk in its entirety, I can only conclude that Gina is politically inept.

You think? She could have got a lot further by prefacing everything with "I've been really lucky in my life and now I want to give back by improving productivity etc.".

 

[bellenuit]

Only twisted leftist political minds could infer that she was advocating this for Australia.

Which is just my point in a way. Probably less than 1% of people will actually listen to her speech. The rest will base their opinion on what is said on the TV and radio news. This will be the comments from Gillard and Swan and perhaps a 30 second excerpt from Gina's speech, most likely the bit where she talks about Africans just being paid $2 per day. They will use that part to tie in with Gillard's comment.

What people infer from those 3 clips will be very different from what they would infer from listening to her complete speech. That is why she should not have left an opening for Gillard and Swan to imply she was inferring something she was not.

 

[sptrawler]

You think? She could have got a lot further by prefacing everything with "I've been really lucky in my life and now I want to give back by improving productivity etc.".

Also It's o.k for the goon show to pay out on Gina about $2/hr workers, but didn't they give her the o.k to bring in Chinese workers?

 

[banco]

Wayne Swan could get a lot further by prefacing everything with" I'm lucky, no matter how I screw up your lives, I'll get an indexed, government gauranteed pension for the rest my life".
Jeez get a life, I don't agree with her opinions, however she and Forrest have a lot more 'skin' in the game than Swan and Gillard.
Also It's o.k for the goon show to pay out on Gina about $2/hr workers, but didn't they give her the o.k to bring in Chinese workers?

Unless Gina and Twiggy's accountants are complete morons the iron ore price could collapse to $10 and they would still have enough money to use what Gillard and Swan will get in a year on their parliamentary pensions for coasters.

 

[sptrawler]

Unless Gina and Twiggy's accountants are complete morons the iron ore price could collapse to $10 and they would still have enough money to use what Gillard and Swan will get in a year on their parliamentary pensions for coasters.

That's probably true however Gina and Twiggy's bad decisions and incompetence only affect those directly or indirectly involved.
The others incompetence effect everyones lives, with very little consequence to theirs.IMO

 

[Julia]

Having listened to her talk in its entirety, I can only conclude that Gina is politically inept.

At least she's up for attempting to make the point to the government and anyone else who cares to listen.

Did anyone else hear that Wayne Swan has dismissed Rinehart's video as "pearl rattling"? This coming from the party that constantly claims Abbott is being sexist and has a problem with powerful women

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2012/s3583308.htm

I've actually never heard this expression before but I assume it is a derrogatory comment implying Rinehart is a just a rich woman spouting forth while fiddling with her pearls. I can't see how this expression could be applied to a man. Now who is being sexist and has a problem wih powerful women?

(Someone please correct me if I am wrong and jumping to conclusions).

It was my interpretation also and I've also not heard the expression before.
Another example of the double standard: it's apparently fine for the government to make derogatory, sexist comments toward a business leader, but another matter entirely if they choose to interpret criticism of their policies as being merely mysoginistic toward the Prime Minister.

Which is just my point in a way. Probably less than 1% of people will actually listen to her speech. The rest will base their opinion on what is said on the TV and radio news. This will be the comments from Gillard and Swan and perhaps a 30 second excerpt from Gina's speech, most likely the bit where she talks about Africans just being paid $2 per day. They will use that part to tie in with Gillard's comment.

What people infer from those 3 clips will be very different from what they would infer from listening to her complete speech. That is why she should not have left an opening for Gillard and Swan to imply she was inferring something she was not.

Yes, unfortunately you have a valid point. Listening to her speech her meaning was quite clear and she was not at all suggesting a similar wage apply in Australia.
But already her remark has been taken out of context with Ms Gillard rushing to the evening news with the assertion that Gina thinks it's fine to "throw a two dollar coin" at workers.

If Ms Rinehart is going to be more active in the media, she needs to seek some advice about how to express herself, as you suggest.
As a plus, however, she has a well modulated voice, speaks clearly, and delivered a quite eloquent speech imo.
The Prime Minister and her colleagues could learn from her delivery at least.

 

[DB008]

There is a fake Gina "Twitter account" up and running. (Gina Rinehart@FairfaxGina). Some strong language

I paid $2.10 for a doughnut today! F**ken carbon tax

These Labor voters are still clogging up my street! Can someone send over a bulldozer?

I was asked how I would sell more copies of the fairfax papers and I simply said I'd buy more myself.

I can't watch this anymore, time for my second dinner anyway. #4corners

 

[sptrawler]

There is a fake Gina "Twitter account" up and running. (Gina Rinehart@FairfaxGina). Some strong language

Well she wouldn't be an orphan, being overweight, would she.LOL What was Germaine Greer talking about.

 

[bellenuit]

Probably less than 1% of people will actually listen to her speech. The rest will base their opinion on what is said on the TV and radio news. This will be the comments from Gillard and Swan and perhaps a 30 second excerpt from Gina's speech, most likely the bit where she talks about Africans just being paid $2 per day. They will use that part to tie in with Gillard's comment.

I just watched the 9pm news on ABC 24 (Perth) and it has played out just as I expected. From Gina's 10 minute speech, there was about 10 seconds of her mentioning the special economic zone across the north of Australia, another 10 seconds of her mentioning African mining workers are being paid $2 per day followed by a clip of Gillard saying that we in Australia are not going to stoop to throwing a couple of dollars a day at our mining workers (I can't remember her exact words). While this was going on, a banner sliding across the bottom of the screen read something like "Rinehart accused of insulting Australian workers in her speech".

 

[sptrawler]

I just watched the 9pm news on ABC 24 (Perth) and it has played out just as I expected. From Gina's 10 minute speech, there was about 10 seconds of her mentioning the special economic zone across the north of Australia, another 10 seconds of her mentioning African mining workers are being paid $2 per day followed by a clip of Gillard saying that we in Australia are not going to stoop to throwing a couple of dollars a day at our mining workers (I can't remember her exact words). While this was going on, a banner sliding across the bottom of the screen read something like "Rinehart accused of insulting Australian workers in her speech".

Is there any wonder why she wants to buy a newspaper.LOL
There is no chance she will get reasonable press without owning it.

 

[Des P]

Julia i can see your point on Gina Rineharts comment's
Which in turn keeps politicians busy with bagging each other and forgetting about running the country
But i would like to say when she makes these comments it becomes a political discussion
Not because she is rich,But because she is out of touch with reality and does not understand the way average Australian's think
$2 a day does she understand why they work for this
Maybe because there governments are so corrupt they have no choice but to work for this pittance
I have worked in Africa and other parts of the world and have seen what happens
one of the companies i worked for were paying Equivilvant 57 cent an hour this was a considerable amount of
money considering the area we were working had an average wage of $1 a week to live on
The company wanted to pay more, But the country we were working in would not allow it as it would have caused a lot of unrest with the people.
I currently run a project in Indonesia my people earn from double to ten times the country's minimum wage
Enter and this is for approximation of 1/10 of the skill,s Australians have
One thing Gina must ask herself is how many people does it take to construct a mine,run a rig run a mine.
The answer is 3 to 4 times as many people more than an Australian
Jobs i work on
Mine construction Tanzania 1000 personnel same mine in Australia 250-300
Operating a drilling Rig(geothermal,oil & gas land) minimum 200 personnel, Australia may be 20 -30
I know it still works out cheaper to have these people do a hard days work
But is it cheaper, Gina is still in the dark ages thinking that most Aussie worker,s are only laborer's
Yes there are those who don,t want to work (ex wife one of them)
But at the end of the day Gina has not got a clue what she is talking about
She has lost touch with reality
And has not thought about the time the HBI plant was built in Port headland using Cheap overseas labor and structural ended up costing the company double its budget with rework
the old story goes you pay peanuts you get unskilled stuff up,s and reworks
Cheers
Des
P.S i am a swinging voter so i dont give a damn who runs the country so long as they look after Australia for our future generations of Kids ( but i get put of by politicians who back stab and make promises they cant keep,Another story in the making)