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drsmith, I looked into iinet for NBN.
The peak/off peak periods aren't the best.
Having said that, l expect prices to drop/change as the roll out continues.

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Is up to 2am really a genuine peak in internet usage?

I'd have thought it would follow a similar pattern to other things, for example electricity, gas, water, road traffic, phone calls and anything else where the behaviour of a large number of consumers can be measured in aggregate.

In the case of electricity, 2am - 4am is generally the absolute lowest demand, and there's no way you could say that anything after 11pm was even remotely close to being a peak. It's much the same with road traffic - graphs of that pretty much "fall off a cliff" after 6pm. I would have thought that midnight would be off-peak as far as the internet is concerned, but perhaps not?
 
Eager said:
The coalition have backflipped on their stance regarding the NBN.

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...rap-nbn-turnbull/story-e6frfku9-1226412903973
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I don't think that is anything new. I have heard Turnbull say that several times before. Saying you will scrap a project right at the beginning when little or no costs have been incurred is quite different from saying you will scrap it when it is largely under way.

If I and another were sharing driving a car from Perth to Cairns and I were to argue the best coastal route is along the south and east coast via Sydney, but the other person were to favour a western and northern route via Darwin, if as first driver the other takes his preferred route and reaches Darwin, it would be rather stupid of me when taking over the driving from Darwin to insist we go back to Perth and take my preferred route.

The coalition are just being sensible. Most of us who have opposed the NBN have done so on the basis that with many alternative infrastructure projects needing to be done, spending so much on the NBN is not the best deployment of our resources, particularly when there is much valuable networking infrastructure in place that could be used or upgraded that would achieve not quite as good a network as an all fibre network, but a good enough network at a much lower cost, leaving funds available for other projects that are also needed. We know a 4 lane highway to everyone's front door provides optimum speed to get from anywhere to anywhere, but is it a good investment when there are lots of other projects that cannot be undertaken due to lack of left over funding.
 
bellenuit said:
I don't think that is anything new. I have heard Turnbull say that several times before. Saying you will scrap a project right at the beginning when little or no costs have been incurred is quite different from saying you will scrap it when it is largely under way.

If I and another were sharing driving a car from Perth to Cairns and I were to argue the best coastal route is along the south and east coast via Sydney, but the other person were to favour a western and northern route via Darwin, if as first driver the other takes his preferred route and reaches Darwin, it would be rather stupid of me when taking over the driving from Darwin to insist we go back to Perth and take my preferred route.

The coalition are just being sensible. Most of us who have opposed the NBN have done so on the basis that with many alternative infrastructure projects needing to be done, spending so much on the NBN is not the best deployment of our resources, particularly when there is much valuable networking infrastructure in place that could be used or upgraded that would achieve not quite as good a network as an all fibre network, but a good enough network at a much lower cost, leaving funds available for other projects that are also needed. We know a 4 lane highway to everyone's front door provides optimum speed to get from anywhere to anywhere, but is it a good investment when there are lots of other projects that cannot be undertaken due to lack of left over funding.
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Correct. But why would Eager let the facts get in the way.
 
bellenuit said:
If I and another were sharing driving a car from Perth to Cairns and I were to argue the best coastal route is along the south and east coast via Sydney, but the other person were to favour a western and northern route via Darwin, if as first driver the other takes his preferred route and reaches Darwin, it would be rather stupid of me when taking over the driving from Darwin to insist we go back to Perth and take my preferred route.
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Nice try, but the reality is that the NBN project (driving from Perth to Cairns) was opposed full stop by the noalition (ie the journey wasn't going to happen at all). Now, as we are approaching Darwin, the people opposing the journey now want to keep on going...
 
Julia said:
Correct. But why would Eager let the facts get in the way.
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Oh, for Pete's sake! Just because you agree with bellenuit's well-put last paragraph opinion doesn't mean it is fact in its own right.

As for facts, the pure fact is the opposition have changed their position. I reported that fact. Don't shoot the messenger.
 
Where's Myths ?

He's much better than the lite version.

I left a couple of questions towards the bottom of the previous page to which I thought he would be keen to respond.
 
Eager said:
Nice try, but the reality is that the NBN project (driving from Perth to Cairns) was opposed full stop by the noalition (ie the journey wasn't going to happen at all). Now, as we are approaching Darwin, the people opposing the journey now want to keep on going...
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Opposed to the NBN in the beginning, yes, but the journey wasn't going to happen at all, no. The NBN isn't the only way to get to fast broadband for most people that want it and are willing to pay for it.
 
I don't think much has changed recently. While it's true that their policy has gradually evolved from
"12Mbps is enough, and priv sect can do it > Priv Sect FTTN > FTTN NBN


Turnbull still wants to scale it back to an obsolete FTTN version, he'll just let the existing FTTP rollout continue until the contracts run out. He's also stuck with the satellites, and the wireless is something they would have done anyway. When Turnbull says we'll do it "cheaper and faster", he means "we'll build a cheaper, less capable version".

I think the Coalition's current tactic is that, having finally worked out that the public actually want the NBN, they'll take a punt that average Joe consumer won't understand the difference between FTTN and FTTP, and hope they just assume the Libs will build essentially the same thing but do so more efficiently.

I think it's a nice step forward that they are essentially promising a wholesale-only, open access network with decent speeds. At least we can look forward to somewhat improved services and uniform national pricing. It's a real pity though that we would lose an opportunity to be right up there in a worldwide basis, and instead fall back to being a follower. And, it will still come back and bite us in 10 years when it's no longer up to the job, and we have to throw away $10-odd billion and start again. But then, that's several elections into the future, isn't it. :rolleyes:


drsmith said:
A question that comes to mind here is the impact the NBN has had on the rollout of ADSL2+ enabling of Telstra's exchanges by the ISP's themselves ?

For example, Iinet's DSLAM rollout has largely ground to a halt in most states, although SA is a notable exception.

http://www.iinet.net.au/iinetwork/coverage.html
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I think most of the ISP DSLAM rollouts had reached most of the areas they were planning to cover.

drsmith said:
A question for the floor.

Did Iinet late last year have a low usage (10 or 20GB) naked DSL plan (ADSL2+) with VOIP included for ~$50 ?

I can recall considering a cheaper, lower usage Iinet naked DSL plan at the time. Now, the one I'm on is their cheapest.

Can someone confirm ?
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No idea.
 
Eager said:
The coalition have backflipped on their stance regarding the NBN.

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...rap-nbn-turnbull/story-e6frfku9-1226412903973
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That is a stupid statement.:eek:
They still have to pick up the bucket of manure labor leave, rationalising and the scope of the project.
While working within the constraints of contracts already let and infrastructure deployed is actually good contractual and fiscal management of obligations.
Something labor wouldn't have a clue about and obviously you don't either.:D
 
Who cares if the opposition back flip on anything. Any of their policies will be taken to the next election and the people will have a chance to vote on it.

Gillard did not have the democratic decency to take her massive back flip on major policy to the people. I suspect she will pay a very heavy price politically for forcing her legislation on the people. Looks like she refuses to learn the lessons of history - and recent history too.
 
sptrawler said:
That is a stupid statement.:eek:
They still have to pick up the bucket of manure labor leave, rationalising and the scope of the project.
While working within the constraints of contracts already let and infrastructure deployed is actually good contractual and fiscal management of obligations.
Something labor wouldn't have a clue about and obviously you don't either.:D
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Again, don't shoot the messenger!
 
NBNMyths said:
I think most of the ISP DSLAM rollouts had reached most of the areas they were planning to cover.
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Thanks fo the reply.

I don't know either hence the question, but would there be a basic economic argument for third party ISP's to scale back and ultimately discontinue their DSLAM rollouts as the NBN would make this hardware redundant sooner than would have otherwise been the case ?

The second question of specific interest was in response to this,

NBNMyths said:
That's true. But Telstra don't offer unbundled services on their network and only about 10% of exchanges have 3rd-party ADSL2+ which do allow unbundled DSL.
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drsmith said:
How does that translate to percentage of households ?
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