NBN Rollout Scrapped

[NBNMyths]

Thx for the reference, so I did. Excerpt quoted below

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4. Noone else in the world is installing such a system

False

Fibre-To-The-Premises or Home (FTTP/H) is currently being rolled out in hundreds of countries around the World, including the UK,

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This is mathematically impossible, as the total number of countries in the entire world is <197 http://www.worldatlas.com/nations.htm

What I do know for sure, is the NBN will have an army of overpaid seat-shiners.

Is that an official NBN site?

Here, fixed that for you. It now says:

Fibre-To-The-Premises or Home (FTTP/H) is currently being rolled out in over fifty countries around the World, including New Zealand, Canada, the USA, the UK, Germany, Norway, France, Sweden, Kenya, Qatar, Japan, Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong and China.

I actually found 58 countries with current FTTH programs, and a few more than have announced plans. I'd say there are likely to be over 100 either underway or planning, but I'll leave it like that until I do more research.

I assume by "overpaid seat shiners" you mean electrical and telecommunication engineers, network designers for fibre, wireless and satellite networks etc. You know, the sort of people you need when you're designing and building (from scratch) a nationwide communications network with 13 million-odd connections, 2000 wireless towers, 2 satellites....?

No, it's not an official NBN site.

 

[Calliope]

Perhaps you're confusing "scrutiny" with "making stuff up"?

You have wisely recognised that you admiration of NBN Co. is an obsession. It took me a while to cotton on to what other posters to this thread already know, and that is, you cannot debate with an obsessive. An obsessive is impervious to logic, reason or common sense, when they become fixated on the object of their obsession.

All the best.

 

[NBNMyths]

You have wisely recognised that you admiration of NBN Co. is an obsession. It took me a while to cotton on to what other posters to this thread already know, and that is, you cannot debate with an obsessive. An obsessive is impervious to logic, reason or common sense, when they become fixated on the object of their obsession.

All the best.

Again with the ad-hom arguments. And a bit of straw-manning too. I'm not obsessed with NBN Co. I don't care who builds the NBN. So long as it complies with the previously stated outcomes: World-class broadband for everyone, at reasonable prices for everyone. Surely it's not a hard concept to grasp.

I'm also quite happy to have a factual debate on the NBN. Unfortunately -as you so aptly demonstrate- the anti-NBN crowd are pretty short on facts, making mistruths, vague idealogical arguments and personal attacks the only options available to them.

 

[bellenuit]

Internet providers holding back on commercial agreements with NBN

BY: MITCHELL BINGEMANN From: The Australian January 09, 2012 6:06PM

LESS than half the internet providers trialling the government's National Broadband Network have signed commercial agreements with the builder of the new $36 billion fibre optic network.

Those underwhelming sign-on numbers come just days before interim trial agreements between the NBN Co and internet providers expire. Once the trial agreements expire at the end of this week, NBN Co will no longer allow internet providers to sign up new customers unless a legally-binding commercial contract, known as a wholesale broadband agreement, is signed.

Of the 30 internet providers to sign trial agreements which allow the providers to test NBN services, 22 are ready to offer services in first release sites and new developments.

However of that group of 30, only 12 internet providers have signed its final and executable wholesale broadband agreement the commercial contract that outlines the conditions and prices internet providers pay to access the network.

Some of the nation's largest internet providers, including Telstra, Optus, iiNet and Macquarie Telecom, have refused to sign the formal contracts with NBN Co, citing concerns the network builder is trying to skirt regulatory oversight and liability for faulty service.

more here..............

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/aus...eements-with-nbn/story-e6frgakx-1226240178333

 

[Calliope]

I'm not obsessed with NBN Co

Sorry. Your obsession is with the NBN. And yet you have gone to extraordinary lengths to defend the NBN Co's actions.

No background with the NBN. It's just one of my pet obsessions.

 

[Smurf1976]

you cannot debate with an obsessive. An obsessive is impervious to logic, reason or common sense, when they become fixated on the object of their obsession.

Too true.

 

[So_Cynical]

I love the way you (NBNMyths) shoot down Howard's Heroes everytime good info without the crap thanks.

You have wisely recognised that you admiration of NBN Co. is an obsession. It took me a while to cotton on to what other posters to this thread already know, and that is, you cannot debate with an obsessive. An obsessive is impervious to logic, reason or common sense, when they become fixated on the object of their obsession.

All the best.

Yep another one gone.

 

[drsmith]

Like say the way you devote a lot of time to trashing Gillard and the Labor Govt.

I give this government what it deserves and it's nothing compared to what it will cop at the next election.

As for the Liberal payroll, if that's what you want to believe, well, that's your prerogative.

 

[joea]

Hi.
In the Queensland Country Life 5th. Jan. it appears that Julia Creek with only 500 people is in the NBN void. The council has been told to cough up $1.14 million and they can have NBN.
However the town of 1770 with 80 people and 30 other small towns with less than 1000 people also qualify(names not supplied in QCL) to allow the connection.

So is this a conspiracy, or is Labor up to something once again?
Suggestions that I have thought of... Help compile some money by blackmailing small towns. Or, towns with the wrong connection to politics will be bypassed.
Incidently they say the cable is so close (if it was a black snake) it would bite them.
Well if they cough up $1.14 million, then they have surely been bitten.
joea

 

[boofhead]

Do you have maps of where the towns that will get it, won't get it and where the fibre backbone is being laid?

 

[Calliope]

Yep another one gone.

He'll be back. An obsession is not easily abandoned.

 

[joea]

He'll be back. An obsession is not easily abandoned.

LOL yeah I am back. I have been out picking KP mango's. Bloody hot up here in Dimbulah.
Beer - o - clock will be at 3pm today.

Yes i have seen the backbone layout, but also realise how many small towns there are in Australia.

The point is, any town under 1000 subscribers did not get a splice. Or so I thought.
But from the QCL this does not appear to be so, for some towns.
Oh. yeah if you cough up $1.14 million its ok.

Going to take some time out from this thread, it has me loosing sleep.
Have an opportunity to get a report internally on what the true story is on the NBN.
Will attempt to get that and be back to see if anybody believes it.
joea

 

[NBNMyths]

Hi.
In the Queensland Country Life 5th. Jan. it appears that Julia Creek with only 500 people is in the NBN void. The council has been told to cough up $1.14 million and they can have NBN.
However the town of 1770 with 80 people and 30 other small towns with less than 1000 people also qualify(names not supplied in QCL) to allow the connection.

So is this a conspiracy, or is Labor up to something once again?
Suggestions that I have thought of... Help compile some money by blackmailing small towns. Or, towns with the wrong connection to politics will be bypassed.
Incidently they say the cable is so close (if it was a black snake) it would bite them.
Well if they cough up $1.14 million, then they have surely been bitten.
joea

There seems to be a lot of confusion about who gets what and why.

The simply story is:

100% of premises in Australia will have access to the NBN. 93% via optical fibre, 4% via fixed wireless (LTE), 3% via satellite.

Where fibre is installed, the copper network will be switched off. ie, replaced by optical fibre. Where the NBN is via wireless or sat, the copper will remain until at least 2022 when its need to remain will be reassessed.

• Every town with >1000 premises gets optical fibre (OF).
• Every town with >500 premises gets optical fibre IF it is located along the NBN transit network route (ie, the backbone OF link runs through town anyway).

It's all in the NBN Corporate Plan (page 63).

As for Julia Ck etc....

The $1.14M estimate to upgrade Julia Creek from Satellite NBN to Fibre NBN was provided by NBN Co at the request of Qld Liberal Senator Ian MacDonald. It followed NBN Co advising communities outside the fibre footprint that the optical fibre could be extended if that community paid the difference in cost between wireless/sat and fibre. In a Senate Estimates hearing last year, Sen MacDonald asked the boss of NBN Co to provide an estimate for Julia Creek. It is up to the local council/community if they want to take that offer up. If they don't, then Julia Ck will get sat NBN as originally planned.

It is not true that the Town of 1770 are getting optical fibre NBN. The preliminary list of towns for QLD that get OF or wireless are available on the NBN website. There may well be 30 towns with <1000 premises who get OF, for the reason I gave above. Depending on the most cost efficient, it's possible that there will be some smaller towns that get OF too but I wouldn't count on it.

 

[NBNMyths]

Do you have maps of where the towns that will get it, won't get it and where the fibre backbone is being laid?

It's all on the NBN website. There are indicative maps and lists of towns/cities.

http://www.nbnco.com.au/our-network/maps.html

 

[awg]

Here, fixed that for you. It now says:

I assume by "overpaid seat shiners" you mean electrical and telecommunication engineers, network designers for fibre, wireless and satellite networks etc. You know, the sort of people you need when you're designing and building (from scratch) a nationwide communications network

No, it's not an official NBN site.

Thx, didnt realize you had control of the site. I respect your contributions.

If these highly paid individuals and their contract-issuing sidekicks are not deployed in a timely and efficient manner, then yes, and it would surprise me if any quasi-govt body was able to do that as cost effectivly as private capital.

Having been involved briefly in telco subcontracting world, that is really saying something.

I think I do support the NBN, but I suspect there will be cost and timeline blowouts.

I heard Newcastle is very well down the list, which seems surprising given its economic output, Oz 6 or 7th largest city and proximity to Sydney

 

[adamim1]

Thx, didnt realize you had control of the site. I respect your contributions.

If these highly paid individuals and their contract-issuing sidekicks are not deployed in a timely and efficient manner, then yes, and it would surprise me if any quasi-govt body was able to do that as cost effectivly as private capital.

Having been involved briefly in telco subcontracting world, that is really saying something.

I think I do support the NBN, but I suspect there will be cost and timeline blowouts.

I heard Newcastle is very well down the list, which seems surprising given its economic output, Oz 6 or 7th largest city and proximity to Sydney

Newcastle is thrown to the side on everything.

The hunter is the backbone of the coal industry in australia and exports minerals from its port, yet newcastle itself gets nothing. Our roads are extremely poor! Yet I go to Wollongong and their roads are immaculate!

 

[joea]

There seems to be a lot of confusion about who gets what and why.

The simply story is:

100% of premises in Australia will have access to the NBN. 93% via optical fibre, 4% via fixed wireless (LTE), 3% via satellite.

Where fibre is installed, the copper network will be switched off. ie, replaced by optical fibre. Where the NBN is via wireless or sat, the copper will remain until at least 2022 when its need to remain will be reassessed.

• Every town with >1000 premises gets optical fibre (OF).
• Every town with >500 premises gets optical fibre IF it is located along the NBN transit network route (ie, the backbone OF link runs through town anyway).

It's all in the NBN Corporate Plan (page 63).

As for Julia Ck etc....

The $1.14M estimate to upgrade Julia Creek from Satellite NBN to Fibre NBN was provided by NBN Co at the request of Qld Liberal Senator Ian MacDonald. It followed NBN Co advising communities outside the fibre footprint that the optical fibre could be extended if that community paid the difference in cost between wireless/sat and fibre. In a Senate Estimates hearing last year, Sen MacDonald asked the boss of NBN Co to provide an estimate for Julia Creek. It is up to the local council/community if they want to take that offer up. If they don't, then Julia Ck will get sat NBN as originally planned.

It is not true that the Town of 1770 are getting optical fibre NBN. The preliminary list of towns for QLD that get OF or wireless are available on the NBN website. There may well be 30 towns with <1000 premises who get OF, for the reason I gave above. Depending on the most cost efficient, it's possible that there will be some smaller towns that get OF too but I wouldn't count on it.

You are living in some world that cannot comprehend reality.
I will get back with a report that has the truth.
joea p.s. you have the same virus that Gillard and Swan have got.
two thirds of Australia will be covered by wireless and satellite.
joea

 

[awg]

Newcastle is thrown to the side on everything.

The hunter is the backbone of the coal industry in australia and exports minerals from its port, yet newcastle itself gets nothing. Our roads are extremely poor! Yet I go to Wollongong and their roads are immaculate!

I've said it before, all politicians spit in the face of most of our local electorates.

Try living in what was the 2nd safest seat in the whole country

Except he got thrown out with the worst swing ever recorded.

I got my baseball bat waiting for whoever dont deliver, NBN or whatever.

I was told Newcastle is not on the horizon in the next 18months, and I am stuffed if I can work that out from a technical, logistical or financial basis, as was my knowlegable informant.

I have absolutely no idea how "the system" propose to generate sufficient technicians to complete the grunt work, I will make further enquiries

 

[NBNMyths]

I heard Newcastle is very well down the list, which seems surprising given its economic output, Oz 6 or 7th largest city and proximity to Sydney

I don't think anyone publicly knows "the list" other than the next 12 months, because that's all that has been announced. Next month they are supposed to release a 3 year schedule, which will be updated every year.

 

[NBNMyths]

You are living in some world that cannot comprehend reality.
I will get back with a report that has the truth.
joea p.s. you have the same virus that Gillard and Swan have got.
two thirds of Australia will be covered by wireless and satellite.
joea

I don't know exactly what you're disputing. I have given you links to the official rollout maps for the company doing the rollout and the methodology for working out who gets what. Did you actually read the lists of towns, and look at the maps? I look forward to reading your "truthful" report though.

As for "2/3 of the country will get wireless/sat". It may well be true that 2/3 of the land area of Australia will be covered by wireless/sat. But area is not relevant if nobody is living in massive swaths of it. The NBN is based on the number of premises covered by each technology, not the land area of each footprint. The fact is that 93% of all premises will get the NBN via OF. 4% of all premises will get wireless, and 3% of all premises will get sat. Most people live in cities and towns, and (as per specs above), cities and towns generally get OF. Hence the people living there get OF.