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Julia
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Much is being said about the vandals and rioters not really being to blame for their actions because they are so socially deprived. Precious little snowflakes, huh.
Many of them have been reared on welfare and have never developed any sense of taking responsibility for their own outcomes.
If they feel so disadvantaged, perhaps they could be picked up en masse and deposited in the famine ridden countries of Africa. Then they might get just a glimmer of understanding of real disadvantage.
Many of them have been reared on welfare and have never developed any sense of taking responsibility for their own outcomes.
If they feel so disadvantaged, perhaps they could be picked up en masse and deposited in the famine ridden countries of Africa. Then they might get just a glimmer of understanding of real disadvantage.
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From what I've seen, even the left wing press has been pretty scathing of the looters. Sure, it's been an opportunity for those to raise opposition to certain budget cuts, but for the moment everyone seems pretty keen to punish the guilty.
Some may enjoy this - http://photoshoplooter.tumblr.com
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because repression works!
i love the endless knee-jerk reactions from government in this day and age. nothing about root causes, no admission of policy failure or even the slightest hint of reassessment, just restriction of communication, curfews, banning of hoodies and lots of ...
yeah i'm sure "they" will pay
i love the endless knee-jerk reactions from government in this day and age. nothing about root causes, no admission of policy failure or even the slightest hint of reassessment, just restriction of communication, curfews, banning of hoodies and lots of ...
some_dipsh!t_politician_with_his_nose_in_the_trough said:
yeah i'm sure "they" will pay
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The other option of sending them to Botany Bay and Port Arthur can't work as we have closed the facilities
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They are not all poor or jobless.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/stereotype-of-the-underclass-does-not-apply-20110811-1iowa.html
Just the thrill then I suppose.
Unbelievable how the cops smashed the, mainly peaceful, G20 protesters, and let these thugs carry on. I know they will be studying CCTV now for months and most will eventually get picked up, but what a message to the rest of the world, to just watch as buildings get torched.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/stereotype-of-the-underclass-does-not-apply-20110811-1iowa.html
Just the thrill then I suppose.
Unbelievable how the cops smashed the, mainly peaceful, G20 protesters, and let these thugs carry on. I know they will be studying CCTV now for months and most will eventually get picked up, but what a message to the rest of the world, to just watch as buildings get torched.
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The World's First Bludger Uprising
David Penberthy adds a little Australian perspective to England's woes in The Punch yesterday:
David Penberthy adds a little Australian perspective to England's woes in The Punch yesterday:
IFocus
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Talking to a friend of a friend who taught in high schools around some of the areas affect and they were saying you have no idea how harden the kids are.
Dalrymple in this article pretty much gives everyone a serve but the numbers he quotes are pretty bad clearly policy failures from all levels of government and community.
Mind you after reading the tabloid rubbish its enough to turn anyone into a moron.
A couple of quotes
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...upt-ruling-elite/story-e6frg6zo-1226112640970
Dalrymple in this article pretty much gives everyone a serve but the numbers he quotes are pretty bad clearly policy failures from all levels of government and community.
Mind you after reading the tabloid rubbish its enough to turn anyone into a moron.
A couple of quotes
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...upt-ruling-elite/story-e6frg6zo-1226112640970
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Some good points made here, from one of the most Right Wing daily papers from the UK.
If only someone would listen.
The moral decay of our society is as bad at the top as the bottom – Telegraph Blogs
"David Cameron, Ed Miliband and the entire British political class came together yesterday to denounce the rioters. They were of course right to say that the actions of these looters, arsonists and muggers were abhorrent and criminal, and that the police should be given more support.But there was also something very phony and hypocritical about all the shock and outrage expressed in parliament. MPs spoke about the week’s dreadful events as if they were nothing to do with them.
I cannot accept that this is the case. Indeed, I believe that the criminality in our streets cannot be dissociated from the moral disintegration in the highest ranks of modern British society. The last two decades have seen a terrifying decline in standards among the British governing elite. It has become acceptable for our politicians to lie and to cheat. An almost universal culture of selfishness and greed has grown up.
It is not just the feral youth of Tottenham who have forgotten they have duties as well as rights. So have the feral rich of Chelsea and Kensington. A few years ago, my wife and I went to a dinner party in a large house in west London. A security guard prowled along the street outside, and there was much talk of the “north-south divide”, which I took literally for a while until I realised that my hosts were facetiously referring to the difference between those who lived north and south of Kensington High Street.
Most of the people in this very expensive street were every bit as deracinated and cut off from the rest of Britain as the young, unemployed men and women who have caused such terrible damage over the last few days. For them, the repellent Financial Times magazine How to Spend It is a bible. I’d guess that few of them bother to pay British tax if they can avoid it, and that fewer still feel the sense of obligation to society that only a few decades ago came naturally to the wealthy and better off.
Yet we celebrate people who live empty lives like this. A few weeks ago, I noticed an item in a newspaper saying that the business tycoon Sir Richard Branson was thinking of moving his headquarters to Switzerland. This move was represented as a potential blow to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, George Osborne, because it meant less tax revenue. I couldn’t help thinking that in a sane and decent world such a move would be a blow to Sir Richard, not the Chancellor.
People would note that a prominent and wealthy businessman was avoiding British tax and think less of him. Instead, he has a knighthood and is widely feted. The same is true of the brilliant retailer Sir Philip Green. Sir Philip’s businesses could never survive but for Britain’s famous social and political stability, our transport system to shift his goods and our schools to educate his workers.
Yet Sir Philip, who a few years ago sent an extraordinary £1 billion dividend offshore, seems to have little intention of paying for much of this. Why does nobody get angry or hold him culpable? I know that he employs expensive tax lawyers and that everything he does is legal, but he surely faces ethical and moral questions just as much as does a young thug who breaks into one of Sir Philip’s shops and steals from it?
Our politicians – standing sanctimoniously on their hind legs in the Commons yesterday – are just as bad. They have shown themselves prepared to ignore common decency and, in some cases, to break the law. David Cameron is happy to have some of the worst offenders in his Cabinet. Take the example of Francis Maude, who is charged with tackling public sector waste – which trade unions say is a euphemism for waging war on low‑paid workers. Yet Mr Maude made tens of thousands of pounds by breaching the spirit, though not the law, surrounding MPs’ allowances.
A great deal has been made over the past few days of the greed of the rioters for consumer goods, not least by Rotherham MP Denis MacShane who accurately remarked, “What the looters wanted was for a few minutes to enter the world of Sloane Street consumption.” This from a man who notoriously claimed £5,900 for eight laptops. Of course, as an MP he obtained these laptops legally through his expenses.
Yesterday, the veteran Labour MP Gerald Kaufman asked the Prime Minister to consider how these rioters can be “reclaimed” by society. Yes, this is indeed the same Gerald Kaufman who submitted a claim for three months’ expenses totalling £14,301.60, which included £8,865 for a Bang & Olufsen television.
Or take the Salford MP Hazel Blears, who has been loudly calling for draconian action against the looters. I find it very hard to make any kind of ethical distinction between Blears’s expense cheating and tax avoidance, and the straight robbery carried out by the looters.
The Prime Minister showed no sign that he understood that something stank about yesterday’s Commons debate. He spoke of morality, but only as something which applies to the very poor: “We will restore a stronger sense of morality and responsibility – in every town, in every street and in every estate.” He appeared not to grasp that this should apply to the rich and powerful as well.
The tragic truth is that Mr Cameron is himself guilty of failing this test. It is scarcely six weeks since he jauntily turned up at the News International summer party, even though the media group was at the time subject to not one but two police investigations. Even more notoriously, he awarded a senior Downing Street job to the former News of the World editor Andy Coulson, even though he knew at the time that Coulson had resigned after criminal acts were committed under his editorship. The Prime Minister excused his wretched judgment by proclaiming that “everybody deserves a second chance”. It was very telling yesterday that he did not talk of second chances as he pledged exemplary punishment for the rioters and looters.
These double standards from Downing Street are symptomatic of widespread double standards at the very top of our society. It should be stressed that most people (including, I know, Telegraph readers) continue to believe in honesty, decency, hard work, and putting back into society at least as much as they take out. But there are those who do not. Certainly, the so-called feral youth seem oblivious to decency and morality. But so are the venal rich and powerful – too many of our bankers, footballers, wealthy businessmen and politicians.
Of course, most of them are smart and wealthy enough to make sure that they obey the law. That cannot be said of the sad young men and women, without hope or aspiration, who have caused such mayhem and chaos over the past few days. But the rioters have this defence: they are just following the example set by senior and respected figures in society. Let’s bear in mind that many of the youths in our inner cities have never been trained in decent values. All they have ever known is barbarism. Our politicians and bankers, in sharp contrast, tend to have been to good schools and universities and to have been given every opportunity in life.
Something has gone horribly wrong in Britain. If we are ever to confront the problems which have been exposed in the past week, it is essential to bear in mind that they do not only exist in inner-city housing estates.
The culture of greed and impunity we are witnessing on our TV screens stretches right up into corporate boardrooms and the Cabinet. It embraces the police and large parts of our media. It is not just its damaged youth, but Britain itself that needs a moral reformation."
If only someone would listen.
The moral decay of our society is as bad at the top as the bottom – Telegraph Blogs
"David Cameron, Ed Miliband and the entire British political class came together yesterday to denounce the rioters. They were of course right to say that the actions of these looters, arsonists and muggers were abhorrent and criminal, and that the police should be given more support.But there was also something very phony and hypocritical about all the shock and outrage expressed in parliament. MPs spoke about the week’s dreadful events as if they were nothing to do with them.
I cannot accept that this is the case. Indeed, I believe that the criminality in our streets cannot be dissociated from the moral disintegration in the highest ranks of modern British society. The last two decades have seen a terrifying decline in standards among the British governing elite. It has become acceptable for our politicians to lie and to cheat. An almost universal culture of selfishness and greed has grown up.
It is not just the feral youth of Tottenham who have forgotten they have duties as well as rights. So have the feral rich of Chelsea and Kensington. A few years ago, my wife and I went to a dinner party in a large house in west London. A security guard prowled along the street outside, and there was much talk of the “north-south divide”, which I took literally for a while until I realised that my hosts were facetiously referring to the difference between those who lived north and south of Kensington High Street.
Most of the people in this very expensive street were every bit as deracinated and cut off from the rest of Britain as the young, unemployed men and women who have caused such terrible damage over the last few days. For them, the repellent Financial Times magazine How to Spend It is a bible. I’d guess that few of them bother to pay British tax if they can avoid it, and that fewer still feel the sense of obligation to society that only a few decades ago came naturally to the wealthy and better off.
Yet we celebrate people who live empty lives like this. A few weeks ago, I noticed an item in a newspaper saying that the business tycoon Sir Richard Branson was thinking of moving his headquarters to Switzerland. This move was represented as a potential blow to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, George Osborne, because it meant less tax revenue. I couldn’t help thinking that in a sane and decent world such a move would be a blow to Sir Richard, not the Chancellor.
People would note that a prominent and wealthy businessman was avoiding British tax and think less of him. Instead, he has a knighthood and is widely feted. The same is true of the brilliant retailer Sir Philip Green. Sir Philip’s businesses could never survive but for Britain’s famous social and political stability, our transport system to shift his goods and our schools to educate his workers.
Yet Sir Philip, who a few years ago sent an extraordinary £1 billion dividend offshore, seems to have little intention of paying for much of this. Why does nobody get angry or hold him culpable? I know that he employs expensive tax lawyers and that everything he does is legal, but he surely faces ethical and moral questions just as much as does a young thug who breaks into one of Sir Philip’s shops and steals from it?
Our politicians – standing sanctimoniously on their hind legs in the Commons yesterday – are just as bad. They have shown themselves prepared to ignore common decency and, in some cases, to break the law. David Cameron is happy to have some of the worst offenders in his Cabinet. Take the example of Francis Maude, who is charged with tackling public sector waste – which trade unions say is a euphemism for waging war on low‑paid workers. Yet Mr Maude made tens of thousands of pounds by breaching the spirit, though not the law, surrounding MPs’ allowances.
A great deal has been made over the past few days of the greed of the rioters for consumer goods, not least by Rotherham MP Denis MacShane who accurately remarked, “What the looters wanted was for a few minutes to enter the world of Sloane Street consumption.” This from a man who notoriously claimed £5,900 for eight laptops. Of course, as an MP he obtained these laptops legally through his expenses.
Yesterday, the veteran Labour MP Gerald Kaufman asked the Prime Minister to consider how these rioters can be “reclaimed” by society. Yes, this is indeed the same Gerald Kaufman who submitted a claim for three months’ expenses totalling £14,301.60, which included £8,865 for a Bang & Olufsen television.
Or take the Salford MP Hazel Blears, who has been loudly calling for draconian action against the looters. I find it very hard to make any kind of ethical distinction between Blears’s expense cheating and tax avoidance, and the straight robbery carried out by the looters.
The Prime Minister showed no sign that he understood that something stank about yesterday’s Commons debate. He spoke of morality, but only as something which applies to the very poor: “We will restore a stronger sense of morality and responsibility – in every town, in every street and in every estate.” He appeared not to grasp that this should apply to the rich and powerful as well.
The tragic truth is that Mr Cameron is himself guilty of failing this test. It is scarcely six weeks since he jauntily turned up at the News International summer party, even though the media group was at the time subject to not one but two police investigations. Even more notoriously, he awarded a senior Downing Street job to the former News of the World editor Andy Coulson, even though he knew at the time that Coulson had resigned after criminal acts were committed under his editorship. The Prime Minister excused his wretched judgment by proclaiming that “everybody deserves a second chance”. It was very telling yesterday that he did not talk of second chances as he pledged exemplary punishment for the rioters and looters.
These double standards from Downing Street are symptomatic of widespread double standards at the very top of our society. It should be stressed that most people (including, I know, Telegraph readers) continue to believe in honesty, decency, hard work, and putting back into society at least as much as they take out. But there are those who do not. Certainly, the so-called feral youth seem oblivious to decency and morality. But so are the venal rich and powerful – too many of our bankers, footballers, wealthy businessmen and politicians.
Of course, most of them are smart and wealthy enough to make sure that they obey the law. That cannot be said of the sad young men and women, without hope or aspiration, who have caused such mayhem and chaos over the past few days. But the rioters have this defence: they are just following the example set by senior and respected figures in society. Let’s bear in mind that many of the youths in our inner cities have never been trained in decent values. All they have ever known is barbarism. Our politicians and bankers, in sharp contrast, tend to have been to good schools and universities and to have been given every opportunity in life.
Something has gone horribly wrong in Britain. If we are ever to confront the problems which have been exposed in the past week, it is essential to bear in mind that they do not only exist in inner-city housing estates.
The culture of greed and impunity we are witnessing on our TV screens stretches right up into corporate boardrooms and the Cabinet. It embraces the police and large parts of our media. It is not just its damaged youth, but Britain itself that needs a moral reformation."
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A lot of very accurate observations in that post. Good pick up lantern.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-14/pair-charged-with-triple-murder-during-london-riots/2838434
Murder for defending themselves and their neighbourhood gets on my nerves.
Where was police to do their job?
Why people don’t have immunity for defending themselves?
Especially that riots and war are not included in insurance cover.
Sure property can be replaced, but don’t forget that many people work all their lives often for generations to take it so lightly.
Shows how vulnerable community is where only criminals have access to weapons.
Murder for defending themselves and their neighbourhood gets on my nerves.
Where was police to do their job?
Why people don’t have immunity for defending themselves?
Especially that riots and war are not included in insurance cover.
Sure property can be replaced, but don’t forget that many people work all their lives often for generations to take it so lightly.
Shows how vulnerable community is where only criminals have access to weapons.
Knobby22
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I have heard its also Asians vs Muslims in that area and the car attack was racist.
I agree with Lanterns post which I also read in the AGE, it is about moral decay throughout society.
I agree with Lanterns post which I also read in the AGE, it is about moral decay throughout society.
Exactly.
I understand that it is nice thing to do to accept anybody and everybody into our society, but I know that there are necessary things to do to keep solid fabric of our society and this is: PERMANENT EXCLUSION of certain elements.
Call it whatever you want, but people who elect to work against society are not going all of the sudden be exemplary citizens.
We can see that more and more people choose to work against society and because it is not stamped out it slowly leads toward anarchy and moral decay.
In my opinion not every human snowflake deserves the same privileges.
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The culture of greed and impunity we are witnessing on our TV screens stretches right up into corporate boardrooms and the Cabinet. It embraces the police and large parts of our media. It is not just its damaged youth, but Britain itself that needs a moral reformation."
To sleep well at night, you either need to be honest in your dealings, or be adept at storing guilty memories in an inaccessible part of the mind. That inaccessible section can fill up over a lifetime, then seek expression in some form or other. No need to demonize the wealthy people who cheat; they're creating their own personal demons.
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Murder for defending themselves and their neighbourhood gets on my nerves.
Think you may need to read the report again Happy.
The two perps in the car who were charged, drove their car into a group of folk who were defending their shops killing three of them.
Think you may need to read the report again Happy.
The two perps in the car who were charged, drove their car into a group of folk who were defending their shops killing three of them.
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Extract from David Penberthy's column today:
I'd add that it's difficult to see the logic of the term 'refugees' being equally applied to the healthy looking asylum seekers on our borders and the exhausted, resigned people who nonetheless exude a palpable dignity, in Africa.
I'd add that it's difficult to see the logic of the term 'refugees' being equally applied to the healthy looking asylum seekers on our borders and the exhausted, resigned people who nonetheless exude a palpable dignity, in Africa.
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Re: Leeds, Northern England, Riots
Leeds Bangladeshi Community Centre AGM Ends In Mass Brawl And 13 Arrests
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...s-in-mass-brawl-and-13-arrests_n_7479638.html
Leeds Bangladeshi Community Centre AGM Ends In Mass Brawl And 13 Arrests
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...s-in-mass-brawl-and-13-arrests_n_7479638.html
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Leeds, Yorkshire, northern England
news.sky.com
'Very visible police presence' on streets of Leeds after mass riot erupts with vehicles overturned and set on fire
Footage taken in the aftermath of the unrest in the Harehills area of the city on Thursday night shows the charred wreckage of vehicles, as the "shocking" violence is condemned by the home secretary and investigators vow to catch the perpetrators.