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Calliope

Calliope

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I have searched in vain for a thread on this subject. I am surprised the the usual leftie Guardian readers haven't come up with their usual excuses for the uprising of the masses against their oppressors.

The simple truth is that all this destruction and robbery is being done by criminals and hooligans running wild. This article puts it in context;

But it is more than childish destructiveness motivating the rioters. These are youngsters who are uniquely alienated from the communities in which they grew up. Nurtured in large part by the welfare state, financially, physically and educationally, socialised more by the agents of welfarism than by their own neighbours or local representatives, these youth have little moral or emotional attachment to their communities. Their rioting reveals not that Britain is in a time warp in 1981 or 1985 with politically motivated riots against the police, but that the tentacle-like spread of the welfare state into every area of people's lives has utterly zapped old social bonds, the relationship of sharing and solidarity that once existed in working-class communities. These riots suggest that the welfare state is giving rise to a generation happy to **** on its own doorstep.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...mollycoddled-mob/story-e6frg6zo-1226111939883
 
Calliope said:
I have searched in vain for a thread on this subject. I am surprised the the usual leftie Guardian readers haven't come up with their usual excuses for the uprising of the masses against their oppressors.

The simple truth is that all this destruction and robbery is being done by criminals and hooligans running wild. This article puts it in context;



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...mollycoddled-mob/story-e6frg6zo-1226111939883
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The weird thing is the coppers brutalized the 2009 G20 demonstrators who were largely peaceful, yet these thugs are handled with kids gloves.

This should have been gloves off.
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wayneL said:
The weird thing is the coppers brutalized the 2009 G20 demonstrators who were largely peaceful, yet these thugs are handled with kids gloves.

This should have been gloves off.
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Suspect they were worried about the race / age thing, even so would have thought once the fires started truncheons and shot guns at close quarters were called for
 
People who get everything for nothing have respect for nothing. You don't have to look far to see the same problems here.
 
DB008 said:
IMO, the military should have stepped in last night
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I thought the same, but I don't know enough about the whole situation to really make a valid comment.

I was also blown away by David Cameron's remark that they didn't want to do anything as heavy as bring in water cannon or teargas! For god's sake, the city is burning, people are being injured, businesses that have taken a lifetime to create being destroyed, why wouldn't you suppress such wanton destruction by effective means instead of a police force which seems powerless to make a difference?
 
Julia said:
I thought the same, but I don't know enough about the whole situation to really make a valid comment.

I was also blown away by David Cameron's remark that they didn't want to do anything as heavy as bring in water cannon or teargas! For god's sake, the city is burning, people are being injured, businesses that have taken a lifetime to create being destroyed, why wouldn't you suppress such wanton destruction by effective means instead of a police force which seems powerless to make a difference?
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The problem is using force to stop the chaos only works for that point in time. The underlying problem of unemployment and a society that lives on welfare is never far away from anarchy.
This is a huge problem for the U.K most of the manufacturing jobs were lost with Thatcher. Now they have a generation in the midlands and north that have lived on welfare with minimal chance of getting off the roundabout.
The gulf between workers in the commerce sector and just about everyone else has caused a two speed economy there.
Very similar to here just 20years down the track from where we are.
This is where the carbon tax, hitting the bottom rung of the ladder(manufacturing,retail,small business) and then helping all the people that fall off with welfare is going to end in tragedy. IMHO
 
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Check out the girl in yellow, bottom left. What is she, 10 years old???
 
wayneL said:
No doubt, but the imbalance in responses is egregious IMO.
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It's absolutely disgraceful. I was at the G20 riots - they were outside my office so I took some photos at lunch time - and the willingness of police to unnecessarily and excessively use violence was astonishing. Compared to Monday night when they were content with sitting back and watching.

I don't blame the police themselves. Many of them, I'm sure, lived in the areas affected and were as worried and angry as the average citizen. Plus, it's very clear that the police have no leadership and they fear that any injury to a rioter would likely result in they themselves being hung out to dry by their superiors.

What is crazy is the lack of planning for this. In a large, densely populated city with a large variance in wealth distribution, broad based rioting should not have been an unexpected event. They should have known how to respond and how to incrementally escalate that response as required in order to restore law and order. Rather than having a plan, we had a bunch of politicking senior police and a useless Home Secretary offering empty platitudes to the police all the while stalling any real decision which only came when they convened a meeting with the Prime Minister the next day.
 
That's one way to create jobs. Wait a few days for the riots to destroy all the can, then come in.
 
High unemployment and dissafected youth - a powerful combination.

I can see it spreading with all the austerity measures to Spain, Greece, USA.

More gated communities needed with patrols to keep the poor out. (Is that the future?)
 
Knobby22 said:
High unemployment and dissafected youth - a powerful combination.

I can see it spreading with all the austerity measures to Spain, Greece, USA.

More gated communities needed with patrols to keep the poor out. (Is that the future?)
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Don't they just send all the poor buggers to the next world war every time this happens.
 
This is all part of blood on the streets just the same as what happened in the French revolution and what will happen in the rest of the world as we sink into a depression suck it in and get use to it , it will be here for a long time all part of the beans and bullets we need to prepare for now.
Any one who owns any thing other than gold or silver is at risk.
 
Glen48 said:
This is all part of blood on the streets just the same as what happened in the French revolution and what will happen in the rest of the world as we sink into a depression suck it in and get use to it , it will be here for a long time all part of the beans and bullets we need to prepare for now.
Any one who owns any thing other than gold or silver is at risk.
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Wheelbarrow is better.

gg
 
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