NBN Rollout Scrapped

[sptrawler]

Thats Classic Julia.

 

[noco]

"should of" - this one irritates me, but what can I do?

On the other hand any shorter version of communication message increases speed of the Internet, bringing us back to the topic of this thread.

I really cannot go along with that analysis. All that will do is confuse the younger generation in the correct spelling and enunciation of the English language.
The Oxford dictionary pronounces language as 'laeggwadz.'
No wonder kids and some adults become confused.
Sorry once again for getting off the track of this thread.

 

[sptrawler]

I really cannot go along with that analysis. All that will do is confuse the younger generation in the correct spelling and enunciation of the English language.
The Oxford dictionary pronounces language as 'laeggwadz.'
No wonder kids and some adults become confused.
Sorry once again for getting off the track of this thread.

Again I have to agree with you Noco, expediance is no excuse for poor english or trying to justify a poor internet decision.
Maybe Conroy could run remedial english lessons for the internet and sms voters. He may need them.
I am not sure but I may have got us back on thread. Conroy, poor communication skills and N.B.N scrap....ped. They are peas in a pod, just have to wait for the next press release. Actually from Conroy's t.v appeareances I have seen he would have to be considered for a spot in the comedy festival, he is a natural.

 

[noco]

I don't know where 'guvmint' came from. I'd have suggested a more appropriate spelling for the common pronunciation of 'government' is 'gummint'. The 'v' is omitted.
I think WayneL was on to this long ago.

Just laziness and not on a par in the woeful pronunciation stakes with a Prime Minister who says 'hyperbowl' for 'hyperbole'.!

Julia, upon reading many of your posts over the past three or so years, I have nothing but great admiration for you in the way you express yourself with the English language.
Keep up the good work. It is always a pleasure reading your posts in the correct manner they are written.
Sorry once again, perhaps we should start a new tread on the use of the English language.

 

[trainspotter]

I use the word GUVMINT in here quite often. Not that much of a stretch really.

GUV - Noun. - Shortened from "guvnor" - (British slang) boss, abbreviated version of Governor.
MINT- Noun, - A place where the coins of a country are manufactured by authority of the government.

So therefore GUV - MINT is the Boss's of our country who control the printing press ie in this instance they are the fools who have decided to spend 36 billion dollars of tax payers funds on a shiny blue cable while the rest of the infrastructure in Australia is crumbling down around our ears.

Wal King speaks the truth:-

"In my view, these types of clauses are the slippery side of the industry's dark past, where unions decide who will work on major projects, when they work and under what conditions they will work. These clauses will severely diminish the competitive benefits of subcontracting.

"Can you imagine the potential impact of these types of clauses on major infrastructure projects such as the NBN? It would be, without a shadow of doubt, a complete and unmitigated disaster."

http://www.businessspectator.com.au...al-King-pd20110415-FWSY6?opendocument&src=rss

 

[zzaaxxss3401]

Sorry guys... I have really brought this thread way off track.

Back to the main topic: NBN Rollout Scrapped.

Just to recap:
1. The NBN is a lot of money, but not as much as we spend on other infrastructure projects (over the longer term through maintenance / adjustments - such as road networks) for the use by ALL Australians.
2. The NBN is required in order to curtail the need for people to live and work in the cities.
3. A chance for people in the "bush" to stay connected with the rest of Australia / World.
4. The company building the $36 billion system, NBN Co, now has until December 2020 to build the infrastructure across the vast continent, instead of the original June 2018 date. Rollout now covering 93% rather than original 90% of population.
5. Due to the resources boom, labour costs have increased (for all infrastructure projects across Australia) affecting the cost for a dozen regional rollouts - 1/3 the total rollout cost. The tendered costs were too high. A new tender process is likely for a "national rollout contract" rather than the original "multi-contractor tender". Suggestions that the entire project is a train wreck are overwrought.

 

[awg]

5. Due to the resources boom, labour costs have increased (for all infrastructure projects across Australia) affecting the cost for a dozen regional rollouts - 1/3 the total rollout cost. The tendered costs were too high. A new tender process is likely for a "national rollout contract" rather than the original "multi-contractor tender". Suggestions that the entire project is a train wreck are overwrought.

I think you will find that most of the engineering syndicates have taken such a hammerimg on big projects they will be incredibly wary of under-tendering.

Have a look at Leightons, Downer, McMahon, and others

Also from my knowledge of the Industry, there will be be a severe shortage of specialised telecommunications engineers and technicians, which, if not managed could cause delays ( and I doubt it would be well managed)

I personally dont overall support the NBN, in its present form, as it will not be cost efficient, and for other reasons

 

[wayneL]

The correct spelling is in fact "gu'mint".

The correct spelling of "government" implies respect for this odious institution, whereas gu'mint is derogatory.

 

[sptrawler]

So_Cynical what is so silly about two N.B.N's? We already have one (Telstras), the guvnmnt want to put in a second one then disable the first so they have a monopoly.
They could leave the existing one there, THAT WOULD BE TWO, but then they would have competition. I really can't see what you are talking about when you say I am being silly? Maybe you could enlighten me.
Actually the guvnmnt is so $h**t scared to leave the existing one they had to draft punitive laws and threaten the competion (Telstra) with exclusion from the 4g spectrum. Maybe you have information I don't.
As for country people paying the same as city Telstra tried to get the ACCC to allow them to charge a flat access price to the parasites on their network(rather than a low price for the city and a high one for the country). Which would stop them Cherry Picking.
But the ACCC wouldn't let them, now the N.B.N comes along and they are granted the very thing Telstra was denied. Just shows what self serving people they all are.
Telstra was prepared to spend their money to upgrade the system but wanted assurances that they would get a reasonable return on their investment. The ACCC would not give them that and so the trouble began. Now the guvnmnt is building it they legislate to ensure they have no competition and get a reasonable rate of return. To me there is only one here who looks silly. :

WELL suprise, suprise, the ACCC has granted Telstra flat pricing for city and country. One wonders if it is because Telstra could have taken them to court over discrimination. Guess what the parasitic telcos are spewing, poor things can't cherry pick any more. It is a shame Telstra had to wait so long.
Just another example of the Governments abuse of its power, using the ACCC as political tool instead of it being an independent body. There is no morality in this Government at all, they will cripple a publicly listed company with rulings stripping share holder value.
Then reverse the very same rulings when they are going to apply to a government organisation, the N.B.N. Another nail in the government coffin I think.

 

[sptrawler]

From my understanding of the anouncement, Telstra will get a big boost to their bottom line. Cost of access to the local loop in the cities up from approx $6.60 to $16.00.
The good thing for the parasites is access prices comes down from $100 in country areas to $16.00, a shame they don't have much interest in country areas.

Well thats my understanding. DYOR.

 

[nulla nulla]

Should be another jump in the tls share price next week. DYOR

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...holesale-pricing/story-e6frg8zx-1226044176709

You would expect Telstra would have to put out a revised earnings forecast?

 

[Calliope]

Gillard to appoint "NBN champions";

JULIA Gillard's top salesman for climate change action and a former judge are on a shortlist of candidates to promote the $36bn NBN.

The Australian understands the Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy is looking to recruit about a dozen "NBN champions" who would be conscripted to publicly spruik the benefits of the Gillard government's $36bn wholesale fibre network, if a yet-to-be-revealed communications strategy gets the green light.

Tim Flannery, who earns a salary of $180,000 for three days a week as the Prime Minister's chief climate change commissioner, is one of several high-profile names already identified by the department on an unpublished short-list of potential candidates.

Retired High Court judge Michael Kirby, a former self-confessed luddite who recently set up a Twitter account that has more than 3000 followers, is also among the contenders as a possible NBN champion.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...irby-to-sell-nbn/story-fn59niix-1226044689325

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/all-spin-for-nbn-champions/story-e6frg71x-1226044676877

 

[trainspotter]

Gillard to appoint "NBN champions";

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...irby-to-sell-nbn/story-fn59niix-1226044689325

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/all-spin-for-nbn-champions/story-e6frg71x-1226044676877

Me thinks "NBN Myths" is part of the great machine. A "champion" of what exactly?

 

[sptrawler]

That's magic, maybe the whole government including greens and independents could be given one as a token of our appreciation.

Wish I was clever enough to throw the occasional picture in. Ah maybe when I retire

 

[So_Cynical]

The latest update from NBNco

28 April 2011 Construction to start on NBN in next seven Tasmanian locations.

"NBN Co today released the fibre maps for construction of the national broadband network in the next seven towns in Tasmania – Deloraine, Kingston Beach, George Town, Sorell, South Hobart, St Helens and Triabunna.

A total of approximately 11,150 homes and businesses are within the fibre footprint across the seven sites.

NBN Co has also announced the construction start dates involving a rolling schedule that makes the most efficient use of the workforce given the geographic spread of the locations. Work kicks off in Triabunna"

read more below

http://www.nbnco.com.au/wps/wcm/con...on-NBN-in-next-seven-Tasmanian-locations.html

 

[So_Cynical]

The latest update from NBNco

13 May 2011 NBN Co selects Fujitsu Australia as New Developments deployment partner.

NBN Co has appointed Fujitsu Australia Limited as its prime alliance partner to deliver fibre infrastructure to New Developments.

Fujitsu has the capacity and scale of operations to meet NBN Co’s unique requirement for the deployment of fibre to a large number of discrete locations across the country simultaneously.

Read more below

http://www.nbnco.com.au/wps/wcm/con...a as-New-Developments-deployment-partner.html

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

For what it is worth, an update on the NBN Fiasco from the latte machine of Power, which passes for our gummint, guvmint,guvment, (choose).

The NBN has been elevated to an Abbott Buster.

No matter what governance or fiscal atrocities are revealed, it will be pursued with the vigour of a napoleonic tilt in to the vast freezing wastes of the East.

It will define the Gillard Government.

All we need is Khemlani, who is waiting in the wings at Abbottabad.

gg

 

[drsmith]

For what it is worth, an update on the NBN Fiasco from the latte machine of Power, which passes for our gummint, guvmint,guvment, (choose).

Do U still reckon it's toast ?

 

[medicowallet]

Oh the dilemma if you are a contractor.

1. Provide the NBN cable at below your rates.
Or
2. Install set top boxes.

I'd probably try option 2, but I think you need to have contacts to get that... then again you probably need to have contacts or offer "incentives" to get 1 as well.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Do U still reckon it's toast ?

Until it reaches a point where it is more expensive to unwind, than proceed, it is toast.

There are a few more major scandals a brewin, as there usually is, when there is sit down millions being a thrown at the elites.

gg