NBN Rollout Scrapped

[Greg]

Looks like we're one step closer with two of the NBN bills passing through the lower house last night, according to this news update on 7.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/video/national/watch/24691619

Oakshott and Windsor seem to have helped to secure standardised pricing to all locations. Good if you live in the bush, I guess.

 

[drsmith]

Oakshott and Windsor seem to have helped to secure standardised pricing to all locations. Good if you live in the bush, I guess.

With respect to future technologies, it's not enshrined in the legislation.

There was a lot of debate about this in the House of Reps yesterday.

 

[sails]

I read somewhere that parliament was recalled yesterday and that some coalition ministers could not get back due to prior appointments thinking that parliament would not be sitting. Also understand that it wasn't televised as usual.

I can't find any info now on this - does anyone know if this is what happened? If so, it looks a bit like a sneaky tactic by Gillard to get her NBN bill passed with opposing MPs away and also keeping the tactic off the air.

Does anyone know what happened?

 

[drsmith]

Does anyone know what happened?

The usual pairing arrangements were used where parliamentarians were not in the house.

Having listened to some of the proceedings on ABC Radio National yesterday, Messers Oakshott and Windsor won't be changing sides anytime soon.

 

[Mofra]

Having listened to some of the proceedings on ABC Radio National yesterday, Messers Oakshott and Windsor won't be changing sides anytime soon.

Windsor on 6pm with George Negus had a few pearlers.
He mentioned there was no chance of switching sides to the coalition until Abbott actually stood for something.
He also noted he would review his support when Turnbull takes over as leader. Had to chuckle, but also live in hope that the Libs actually elect a leader people can feasibly consider as an alternate PM.

 

[sails]

Windsor on 6pm with George Negus had a few pearlers.
He mentioned there was no chance of switching sides to the coalition until Abbott actually stood for something.
He also noted he would review his support when Turnbull takes over as leader. Had to chuckle, but also live in hope that the Libs actually elect a leader people can feasibly consider as an alternate PM.

Windsor is clearly labor at heart and would also prefer to have the more labor friendly Turnbull as opposition leader.

I still don't think Oaskeshott and Windsor would change sides even if Turnbull became opposition leader again as there are still others on the LNP side that they detest apart from Abbott. I think that bit is all talk in an effort to get rid of Abbott who seems to be a thorn in labor's side.

Abbott may not be the most suitable in some areas, but he is standing up for the views of many Aussies who do not want Gillard's dictatorial ideas or taxes. I don't believe Turnbull would represent the conservative masses sufficiently.

So IMO, at this stage, Abbott is the best the LNP have so that Ms Gillard doesn't get everything her own way. Who would believe anything Windsor said either? Didn't he betray the majority in his own electorate?

 

[ozbrit]

I wouldn't say that Tony Windsor was a Laborite at heart nor for that matter is Oakeshott. What has happened with Windsor is he's had to a certain extent 'run the gauntlet' by sniping Nationals in and out of his seat as the Nats see him as an impostor, I think that that has created a certain anti-National psyche with him. Windsor relies on Labor and others tactically voting for him, it's the only way that they can beat the National candidate in a seat like that. Oakeshott has been able to do this in Port Maquarie, but with a lot of Conservative voters who didn't imagine he'd go and prop up a minority Labor Government.

Both Independents are publicity seekers who want to be loved. Oakeshott has well and truly blown things, I wouldn't even be surprised if and when he loses his seat the ALP then finds him a safe replacement.

Tony Windsor depending on the swing and whether he chooses to actually run could get re-elected with a much reduced majority. He is a true Independent who retains a reservoir of goodwill on the tablelands particularly with the many voters who don't see themselves as being dyed in the wool Conservatives.

Tony Abbott fought a good election, but I can't see how he can take the Coalition any further. There are a lot of voters out there who have no trouble voting Coalition but reckon he's neither fluent, tactical or tricky enough to put the red headed cheat on the deck.

I don't see either Independent jumping ship, but they might just go down with it.

 

[Julia]

Both Independents are publicity seekers who want to be loved.

Agree. They are milking their positions for all they're worth.

Tony Abbott fought a good election, but I can't see how he can take the Coalition any further. There are a lot of voters out there who have no trouble voting Coalition but reckon he's neither fluent, tactical or tricky enough to put the red headed cheat on the deck.

I don't think you'll find much disagreement on this, but if the Libs were to change leaders, who do you think would be better? This is the difficulty.

I don't see either Independent jumping ship, but they might just go down with it.

They have too much at stake to jump, even if they were politically so inclined which they're not. If another election were held, they would both lose their jobs imo.

 

[trainspotter]

Last week, Labor senators on a communications committee defended proposals to protect NBN Co from competition, arguing the telcos needed to be prevented from targeting lucrative markets and leaving the government business enterprise with high-cost, low-revenue customers.

http://www.skynews.com.au/politics/article.aspx?id=592703&vId=

Is this legal? You betcha when the Guvmint wants it their way !

 

[IFocus]

Windsor is clearly labor at heart and would also prefer to have the more labor friendly Turnbull as opposition leader.

Winsor supported Nick Greiner in NSW not that long ago

 

[So_Cynical]

Abbott may not be the most suitable in some areas, but he is standing up for the views of many Aussies who do not want Gillard's dictatorial ideas or taxes. I don't believe Turnbull would represent the conservative masses sufficiently.

Just outa interest...if Turnbull was to lead the coalition into the next election would you vote for him? if you couldn't, who/what party would be a realistic alternative for you and the conservative masses.?

 

[sails]

Just outa interest...if Turnbull was to lead the coalition into the next election would you vote for him?

Nope - may as well vote labor, IMO. It seems that it is mainly labor voters who keep calling for Turnbull to come back and I doubt they would actually vote liberal no matter who was in leadership. There is much anger over this carbon tax, and while Turnbull agrees with labor on it, I don't think he will get much support from coalition supporters.

if you couldn't, who/what party would be a realistic alternative for you and the conservative masses.?

I can't speak for the conservative masses, but can only hope the coalition don't do anything so stupid...lol. I certainly wouldn't be voting labor or greens.

And to vote for a minor party would only have preferences going to the libs so that wouldn't work. So, I really don't know... Hope I don't have to make that decision...

 

[So_Cynical]

I can't speak for the conservative masses, but can only hope the coalition don't do anything so stupid...lol. I certainly wouldn't be voting labor or greens.

And to vote for a minor party would only have preferences going to the libs so that wouldn't work. So, I really don't know... Hope I don't have to make that decision...

^ This was the point i was trying to make ^

The bulk of the the conservative masses have nowhere else to go and any vote that did go further to the right would simply flow (2 party preferred) back to the coalition anyway.

With 1 vote Tony as leader the coalition gets only maybe 45% of the centre vote, with Turnbull as leader i reckon they will get 50% or more and thus win Government....seems a no brainier to me.

 

[qldfrog]

so cynical: agree with you can not vote abbott nor would I vote for a mullah; same same in my opinion, would vote turnbull

 

[sinner]

so cynical: agree with you can not vote abbott nor would I vote for a mullah; same same in my opinion, would vote turnbull

Yes, yes, Turnbull is a Mullah therefore what we want is a nice respectable ex JP Morganite, he's sure to do right by us

 

[Julia]

so cynical: agree with you can not vote abbott nor would I vote for a mullah; same same in my opinion, would vote turnbull

Yes, yes, Turnbull is a Mullah therefore what we want is a nice respectable ex JP Morganite, he's sure to do right by us

What is the 'mullah' you both refer to?
Wikipedia advises it is a muslim.
I am missing the relevance.

 

[So_Cynical]

What is the 'mullah' you both refer to?
Wikipedia advises it is a muslim.
I am missing the relevance.

A Mad monk is as close as your going to get to a 'Mullah' in Australian politics.

 

[trainspotter]

A Mad monk is as close as your going to get to a 'Mullah' in Australian politics.

WOW ........ that is a long bow to draw !

 

[sails]

^ This was the point i was trying to make ^

The bulk of the the conservative masses have nowhere else to go and any vote that did go further to the right would simply flow (2 party preferred) back to the coalition anyway.

With 1 vote Tony as leader the coalition gets only maybe 45% of the centre vote, with Turnbull as leader i reckon they will get 50% or more and thus win Government....seems a no brainier to me.

So_Cynical, I have replied to your post above in the Tony Abbott thread as this thread is about NBN and not about an indepth discussion on coalition leadership, so thought it better to respond there.

Here's the link: https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16184&p=623001#post623001

 

[sails]

Here is what some high school students think of NBN:

Full aticle from SMH: Students shrug off NBN as a 'waste'

The school surveyed 380 of its students and found they were prodigious internet users, with 99.5 per cent of them on Facebook. But year 11 student Alex Klammer believes the $35.9 billion broadband network is a waste of money.

And they ae not happy with Conroy's proposed internet filters. These kids will soon be able to vote and it's good to see young people thinking for themselves...