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Garpal Gumnut said:
What I know about IT could fit on the head of a pin.

I do know that the technology changes very rapidly and I fear that "Broadband" as we know it will be obsolete in 10 years time.

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This guy Conroy seems to like spending other people's money on a pink batts crusade which will impoverish the Treasury for decades.

It is time for Labor to get rid of these machine men and replace them with workers and small business people who know a lemon when it is presented to them.

gg
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Brilliant rather using the telephone network we use the sewer
The Brownband network GG you are a genius:D
 
todster said:
Brilliant rather using the telephone network we use the sewer
The Brownband network GG you are a genius:D
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From my reading of this technology, it is flush with possibilities, and a sewer may not be necessary.

Todster, I have applied for a patent on Brownband and will umbly request you to drive the Arnage, be the babeorganiser, etc. etc. You will lack for nought.

Conroy, what a turd, we may cut him in on a cleaning contract when he is disgraced.

gg
 
Hi.
It appears that the NBN will be exempt from freedom of information laws.

The coalition are attempting to block a government regulation to exempt NBN from scrutiny from the Parlimentary Standing Committee on Public Works.

Is this another mind game of Gillard, or is she attempting to take the focus from something else?:confused:

Cheers
 
An article in response to Ms Gillard likening NBN investment as similar to investing in property:

Fools beware: no guarantee NBN will work

No, it's not, because unlike houses, which don't become obsolete (we haven't yet found an alternative way to live), the NBN isn't a guaranteed investment. In time, wireless technology or yet to be discovered alternatives could diminish the value of the NBN's fibre rollout. And even if the analogy is applied, properties don't always make money: in downturns people regularly sell at a loss, especially when interest rate rises force sales.
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Does she really believe that investments can only go up in value?...:rolleyes:
 
joea said:
It appears that the NBN will be exempt from freedom of information laws.

The coalition are attempting to block a government regulation to exempt NBN from scrutiny from the Parlimentary Standing Committee on Public Works.

Is this another mind game of Gillard, or is she attempting to take the focus from something else?:confused:

Cheers
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It should be exempt, as are most private companies.
Having a little experience with FOI cases, they tend to be a massive task that divert a huge amount of resource away from normal duties, and given the exemptions that apply to released material much of what is released after hundreds (or thousands) of hours work per individual request is useless.

The business case is absolutely something which should have been released earlier - FOI status is something they have right IiMO.
 
Following is extract from article by Christian Kerr in one of the weekend papers.

NBN VULNERABLE TO THE WET.
The Brisbane floods disaster has exposed serious potential problems with the NBN telecommunications industry figures warn.

While the industry is divided over the full implications for the NBN of the flooding and loss of power, some sources say the government is removing a layer of redundancy that could be vital in an emergency by insisting Telstra tear up its existing network.

The major telcos run duplicate networks between the capitals to ensure services can continue if one link fails.

The government's Statement of Expectations for the network mandates battery back up services, but is silent on the subject of battery life.

"Power outages could have a profound impact on the NBN" one respected communications cnsultant warned, adding the recovery process could be considerably longer if equipment at both ends was damaged by water.
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Why actually is the government insisting Telstra tear up its existing network?
 
Copper doesn't help anything. It is vulnerable to water. Plenty of people have had telephone issues when they've had rain. Many copper lines are not properly in conduit. Some even have paper instead of plastic coating.

Copper would not have provided any reasonable redundancy. Mobile cell towers can albeit with finite battery power which could be supplemented with solar panels. The fibre cables have a coating.
 
President Obama has promised to connect 98% of Americans to next generation high -speed wireless digital communication. Obviously Americans want mobility. Do Gillard and Conroy know something that Obama doesn't know, or why are we committing billions of dollars to a 20 year old fibre-optic system that doesn't provide any portability?

What Obama has proposed could render our proposed fibre-optic system obsolete before it is completed.

This would dwarf all Gillard's previous white elephants.
 
Got any information on Obama's network?

If Australia's fibre network eventually shows it didn't lose any money factoring inflation then it has a potential benefit - it allows the capitalists that believe a wireless network is better to build their supposed better network. NBNCo's documents outline how the network will support multicast and how bandwidth can be saved by the ISP - IPTV should grow a lot. No surprise Telstra, iiNet, Internode and others are developing systems now ready for it to be available on a better medium.

Wireless spectrum is finite. Does anyone have any crytal balls to peer in to so we know how the wireless market will mature? What plans will be offered, what conditions, what typical speeds, quotas etc.
 
todster said:
Brilliant rather using the telephone network we use the sewer
The Brownband network GG you are a genius:D
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Me and a few mates are working on a revolutionary new IT concept that will make the NBN obsolete in the flush of a drover's dunny.

It's called iColi.

gg
 
boofhead said:
Got any information on Obama's network?
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Do you and Gillard and Conroy have access to information on digital networking that Obama can't access?

During his State of the Union Address , he remarked, "Within the next five years, we will make it possible for business to deploy the next generation of high-speed wireless coverage to 98% of all Americans. This isn't just about a faster Internet and fewer dropped calls. It's about connecting every part of America to the digital age."

The federal government has 380 of the 500 MHz it needs. However, the other 120 MHz is currently occupied and unused by television networks, which were gifted it long ago. The administration is trying to set up a special auction to convince these networks to part with the unused spectrum by letting them keep a cut of the auction proceed.

Verizon Wireless general counsel Steve Zipperstein cheered the measure, stating to Reuters, "President Obama is helping the nation to understand the incredible benefits that broadband wireless can bring: to our business, to healthcare, to productivity and to education. Wireless innovation requires public policies that foster innovation, growth and encourage continued investment by Verizon and our partners in the technology."
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http://www.dailytech.com/Obama+Push...State+ of+the+Union+Address/article20750.htm
 
Calliope said:
President Obama has promised to connect 98% of Americans to next generation high -speed wireless digital communication. Obviously Americans want mobility. Do Gillard and Conroy know something that Obama doesn't know, or why are we committing billions of dollars to a 20 year old fibre-optic system that doesn't provide any portability?

What Obama has proposed could render our proposed fibre-optic system obsolete before it is completed.

This would dwarf all Gillard's previous white elephants.
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As the heavy rain hit the northern suburbs of Perth this afternoon and my wireless connection dropped out again maybe you could get the modem attached to the white elephant to give me better reception.
Should of kept the dial up hey grandpa:banghead:
 
todster said:
As the heavy rain hit the northern suburbs of Perth this afternoon and my wireless connection dropped out again maybe you could get the modem attached to the white elephant to give me better reception.
Should of kept the dial up hey grandpa:banghead:
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I guess you are one of the 2% who even Obama can't help.
 
todster said:
As the heavy rain hit the northern suburbs of Perth this afternoon and my wireless connection dropped out again maybe you could get the modem attached to the white elephant to give me better reception.
Should of kept the dial up hey grandpa:banghead:
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How long were you without your wireless connection?
 
I think some US company will invent a whiz bang, low cost wireless technology capable of high speed data transfer. Obama has said he would put a lot of support behind such a venture.

How about we find that company and invest some Aus taxpayer money in that, rather than x billion in the NBN? Good idea?
 
If we were to have invested in a telephony technology that has the most reliable connection in an emergency, then we would have put all our money into landlines and not mobile phones. Yet it is patently obvious from the myriad of people saved by having access to a cell phone that reliability of connection is just one criterion to consider.

IMO, access from almost anywhere is far more important. An incapacitated person who falls down just a meter or two from a landline phone may be unable to use the landline for help, but if the person had a mobile at hand, then no problem

I think it is the same with the internet. Yes there are instances where a wired connection is going to be better than wireless, but it is apparent that the whole industry is moving in the opposite direction to us. Did anyone announce a new desktop PC at the recent CES in Las Vegas? No (I'm pretty sure), but there were dozens of pads announced and that is the future according to spokespersons there.

Internet connected TVs were also a standout at the show and they would be better in a wired high-speed environment to access HD content than wireless. But the government didn't sell the NBN based on access to HD TV content. It was the remote medical diagnosis, education etc. that they used as examples. However there is no evidence to suggest that when such applications are developed, they will require high speed wired connections only. It is much more likely that the applications will be suited to the "device du jour" which predictions indicate will likely be a mobile device of sorts. There will be situations when wired outshines wireless and vice versa, but the gripe against the NBN is that we are putting all our eggs in the one basket and betting against the trend. This is more apparent after Obama's SOTN speech.
 
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