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Happy said:
I prefer wireless broadband to any hard wired connection, it is like not having mobile phone with me.

It would be OK 10 years ago, but now I want to have my wireless broadband with me.
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Happy
When you look at it on paper you are correct. However in the rural sector
wireless has been initiated in 3 area's that I know of and has failed. The individuals are now installing satellite.

The comments from IT locals say, signal weak, clouds or hills cause problems.
Now any or all of these maybe the problem, but the facts are there are problems. I have a friend who had wireless installed in a town, and when it failed he was told by Telstra because he had a colorbond roof he needed a aerial. When that was installed it worked.

This NBN saga will go on & on & on for ever.

I actually think we have politicans who think they are network designers.
Well Hello? they cannot even do the job as a politican!!!!
Cheers
 
Golly Gosh!
It is obvious that the NBN business plan was written to be released for April 1st 2011.
Its just that we have received it for Christmas.
Well the media will have something to keep them busy. Just wondering when they will realise the consequences.
Cheers
 
joea said:
Golly Gosh!
It is obvious that the NBN business plan was written to be released for April 1st 2011.
Its just that we have received it for Christmas.
Well the media will have something to keep them busy. Just wondering when they will realise the consequences.
Cheers
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How about you spell out the consequences and the Libs alternative while your at it.
 
I'm surprised no-one has raised the merits of cables in the ground, versus wireless and satelite as national security issues.
 
nulla nulla said:
I'm surprised no-one has raised the merits of cables in the ground, versus wireless and satelite as national security issues.
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Many of our security satellites are run by Optus, so I'd hate to see what would happen if we had any serious dispute with Singapore. I'm glad someone has reaised this issue to be honest, kudos.

The copper infrastructure is early 20th century technology, and as an industry participant I am all in favour of a replacement given the current technical and regulatory restraints that we currently have in place.
 
No one seemed to have picked up on this...............

Business Spectator by ALAN KOHLER

Now that's a broadband business plan
With an absurdly conservative revenue plan not only will the NBN not be a white elephant it will also almost certainly prove to be a great investment for the nation. 
 
IFocus said:
No one seemed to have picked up on this...............

Business Spectator by ALAN KOHLER

Now that's a broadband business plan
With an absurdly conservative revenue plan not only will the NBN not be a white elephant it will also almost certainly prove to be a great investment for the nation. 
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Seems to be little reaction from the ASF right, GG, Julia, noco, Tranny, Calliope, bellenuit, gav etc...all gone very quiet.:D
 
So_Cynical said:
Seems to be little reaction from the ASF right, GG, Julia, noco, Tranny, Calliope, bellenuit, gav etc...all gone very quiet.:D
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Oh dear, do I really want to bother responding to this?
Not really.

You might both consider that some of us have despaired, and pretty much switched off from the whole damn thing.

But Radio National's Breakfast today did have some pretty clear criticism. You might like to have a listen to this:
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/breakfast/stories/2010/3098135.htm

And btw, if the government actually were to do something good, i.e. actually get something right, I'd be the first to offer praise.
Please do not categorise me as 'of the Right'. I'm a swinging voter who has voted Labor more often than Liberal.

I do, however, retain the right to be critical of any government, whatever its persuasion, which consistently stuffs up everything they undertake.

Just today they have announced the axing of the current green loans schemes because they simply can't get it right.

I won't subject you to the pain of again listing all they have got wrong. You already know this.

But given this woeful list of failures, what makes you think they can get such a massive project as the NBN off the ground successfully?

Just last night on the 7.30 Report there was a very lucid account of a user of the NBN there who felt utterly let down in her participation of the NBN, and indeed they demonstrated how slow it was even to make the initial connection.

If you seriously think this government can successfully put in place the NBN project, even not considering that it will be technologically superseded by the time it actually happens, you are imo pretty deluded.
 
MS+Tradesim said:
Congratulations. What about the rest of us who can't get faster than 1.5mbps?
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I know some people who wish they got 1.5mbps. I personally can't wait until I get a fiber into my house. God yeah, that big long glass fiber coming all the way from the exchange into my house. Unloading torrents into my computer at 1000mbps+.
Ahem, I mean faster internet would be nice.
 
Julia said:
Oh dear, do I really want to bother responding to this?
Not really.

You might both consider that some of us have despaired, and pretty much switched off from the whole damn thing.

But Radio National's Breakfast today did have some pretty clear criticism. You might like to have a listen to this:
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/breakfast/stories/2010/3098135.htm

And btw, if the government actually were to do something good, i.e. actually get something right, I'd be the first to offer praise.
Please do not categorise me as 'of the Right'. I'm a swinging voter who has voted Labor more often than Liberal.

I do, however, retain the right to be critical of any government, whatever its persuasion, which consistently stuffs up everything they undertake.

Just today they have announced the axing of the current green loans schemes because they simply can't get it right.

I won't subject you to the pain of again listing all they have got wrong. You already know this.

But given this woeful list of failures, what makes you think they can get such a massive project as the NBN off the ground successfully?

Just last night on the 7.30 Report there was a very lucid account of a user of the NBN there who felt utterly let down in her participation of the NBN, and indeed they demonstrated how slow it was even to make the initial connection.

If you seriously think this government can successfully put in place the NBN project, even not considering that it will be technologically superseded by the time it actually happens, you are imo pretty deluded.
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Superseded tell me more,Let down haaaaaha Telstra have got my Bigpond account wrong every bill in 13 months ask me about my participation in the current wireless debarcle left over from inaction from the last set of clowns.
How people who claim such bias from the ABC and them quote them when it suits them never stops to amaze me.
Very hard to kick a goal when people put wheels on the post
 
I am considering building two 2-story townhouses and thought it would be a good idea to have them NBN ready.

One builder quoted on running conduits from the attic to each of the three bedrooms and two living areas with draw wires and also a conduit from the attic to under the stairs where the control hub will be located. The idea is that the NBN will terminate somewhere on the house and a cable will be run from the termination point to the control hub, where it will then be distributed to each of the above mentioned rooms. So this builder was not actually pricing the wiring, just running conduits and draw wires to make it easy to run the wiring at a later stage. His price for this: $8,000 per unit.

A second builder was more reasonable. His quote include wiring two coax and two cat 6 cables from the control hub to each of the above mentioned rooms. His price: $4,200 per unit.

I think a lot of people are going to be unpleasantly surprised if they want to wire their house to take full advantage of the NBN. Remember, the above quotes apply to the work being done during building, which is a lot less costly than afterwards.

I think these figures are in line with what had been mentioned in the press a few months ago, figures that Conroy ridiculed as being unrealistic.
 
bellenuit said:
I am considering building two 2-story townhouses and thought it would be a good idea to have them NBN ready.

One builder quoted on running conduits from the attic to each of the three bedrooms and two living areas with draw wires and also a conduit from the attic to under the stairs where the control hub will be located. The idea is that the NBN will terminate somewhere on the house and a cable will be run from the termination point to the control hub, where it will then be distributed to each of the above mentioned rooms. So this builder was not actually pricing the wiring, just running conduits and draw wires to make it easy to run the wiring at a later stage. His price for this: $8,000 per unit.

A second builder was more reasonable. His quote include wiring two coax and two cat 6 cables from the control hub to each of the above mentioned rooms. His price: $4,200 per unit.

I think a lot of people are going to be unpleasantly surprised if they want to wire their house to take full advantage of the NBN. Remember, the above quotes apply to the work being done during building, which is a lot less costly than afterwards.

I think these figures are in line with what had been mentioned in the press a few months ago, figures that Conroy ridiculed as being unrealistic.
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Mate if you think because under construction phase the install would be cheaper i hope your not a first time owner builder.
 
todster said:
How about you spell out the consequences and the Libs alternative while your at it.
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If I remember they were going with a $9billion project utilising existing and future fibre
projects. They intended to have non government investors. Speed would increase as technology provided it. Wireless and satellite for the outback.

The point people are making is the election pitch from labor was 100mbps for 93 % of Australian households at basically the same affordable price across the country. i.e. city's would subsidize the country. $300 - $500 INSTALLATION COST FOR NEW HOMES.
It appears base is now 12mbps at say $54/month and extra data additional.
I do not know who pays for battery when fibre is installed.

Basically the election pitch got them the government, but the taxpayer is not getting the goods promised. The pitch was fraud.

Anyway Combet and Ferguson can come out and tell us the truth and be up front with the facts. They speak with integrity, maybe Gillard and Swan should let them handle the media and policy finalisation. I am sure we would be better off.
Actually I quite enjoy watching them both speak on behalf of the government!!!

Cheers
 
93% is to be covered by fibre. The 93% can then attain 100 megabits per second. That part of the election promise is still potentially correct.
 
I never said any part of the election promise is broken or incorrect. What I read of the election promise wasn't that 100 Mb/s only.

One part that could be incorrect is the timeframe. Some numbers recently popping up saying it'll take a year or 3 longer.
 
bellenuit said:
His price for this: $8,000 per unit.

A second builder was more reasonable. His quote include wiring two coax and two cat 6 cables from the control hub to each of the above mentioned rooms. His price: $4,200 per unit.

I think these figures are in line with what had been mentioned in the press a few months ago, figures that Conroy ridiculed as being unrealistic.
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I installed Foxtel for 2 years and can tell you that your quotes are totally unrealistic...however if you or anyone else is silly enough to pay that sort of money, then tradeys will happily que up to take it from you....your talking about no more than 200 bucks of conduit and maybe 300 bucks worth of CAT6 and RG6.

My advise would be forget the conduit and just run 2 lots of RG6 and 1 CAT6 during the build...get a cable puller to do it and save a fortune...its a 1 day job so no more than $800 total, and that's being very generous.
 
What I know about IT could fit on the head of a pin.

I do know that the technology changes very rapidly and I fear that "Broadband" as we know it will be obsolete in 10 years time.

a quote from

http://www.macworld.com/article/156661/2010/12/bacteria.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+macworld%2Fnews+%28News%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo

According to Cambridge University's student magazine BlueSci, researchers from the University of Hong Kong managed to place 90GB of data into the DNA of a colony of 18 E.coli. The data can also be encrypted by site-specific genetic recombination; a purely natural process that means data can be jumbled up.

Science is weird.

Given that there are apparently around 10 million cells in a gram of bacteria, and each cell can hold approximately 5GB, this could lead to some pretty enormous storage capacities. Plus, different types of cells have stronger radioresistance than others, meaning the cells (and data in them) would survive a nuclear blast.
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This guy Conroy seems to like spending other people's money on a pink batts crusade which will impoverish the Treasury for decades.

It is time for Labor to get rid of these machine men and replace them with workers and small business people who know a lemon when it is presented to them.

gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
It is time for Labor to get rid of these machine men and replace them with workers and small business people who know a lemon when it is presented to them.

gg
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Alas, too late. The "party" has already purged most all "good" Labor from it's ranks, in favour of robotic yes-sheeple, including the incumbent Blowhard and her hench-sheeple.

Perhaps your quote might have to be changed to "It is time for THE PEOPLE to get rid of these machine men and replace them with workers and small business people who know a lemon when it is presented to them".

What a revolutionary idea, wot? ;)

Anyhoo, a swimmingly Happy New Year in the Queen's Own Land to you, GG.

Have a nana or two on me.... :bananasmi

:D
 
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