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Julia said:
Apparently Ms Fraser Kirk has billed DJ's for her recent trip to New York to attend a family wedding on the basis she 'needed to get away from the media pressure surrounding the case'. (paraphrasing here.)
http://www.news.com.au/business/dav...nl&emcmp=Punch&emchn=Newsletter&emlist=Member

Ms Fraser Kirk does not seem like one to miss out on any opportunity.
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LOL.

Apparently she netted something close to the $1M dollar mark and the case is now closed. Media speculation is whether or not her 'charity' will see any of the money.

I personally doubt it - she doesn't look like a clean/honest character ;)
 
JTLP said:
LOL.

Apparently she netted something close to the $1M dollar mark and the case is now closed. Media speculation is whether or not her 'charity' will see any of the money.

I personally doubt it - she doesn't look like a clean/honest character ;)
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From today's "Sunday Mail":
NO WINNERS IN DJ's SEX CASE
She sued David Jones for $37 million but Kristy Fraser-Kirk will walk away from Australia's largest sexual harassment case without a job and up to $300,000 in legal costs.

The 27 year old publicist will sacrifice a chunk of her $850,000 settlement to pay her lawyers and publicist after agreeing to pay her own court costs in the settlement with David Jones and former chief executive Mark McInnes, 45.

That includes paying for a top class legal team, including barristers Michael Lee, Rachel Francois and Ian Barker QC, as well as expert witnesses, psychologists and trips to Europe and the US to escape the media.
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But poor PR and legal advice meant Ms Fraser Kirk's case was fraught from the start - the absurdly high claim of $37 million in punitive damages exposed her to public ridicule, and Federal Court judge Geoffrey Flick was highly critical of her team.
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So that leaves her with about $550,000. It will be interesting to see if she keeps her promise to make a donation to charity. We may never know.
 
Julia said:
From today's "Sunday Mail":




So that leaves her with about $550,000. It will be interesting to see if she keeps her promise to make a donation to charity. We may never know.
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Knowing Ms Kristy (via the media) I'm sure she won't be shy if she stumps up any amount of cash for her 'charity'!

I wonder why she didn't go for the jugular and really stick it to DJ's? Or why she at least didn't try and get legal costs in the deal? We will never know what happened behind those closed doors - or whether she is as innocent as she seems.

Pretty stupid stunt really - who is going to want to employee her after this little tirade? Potential law suits - you'd rather not chance it.
 
JTLP said:
Knowing Ms Kristy (via the media) I'm sure she won't be shy if she stumps up any amount of cash for her 'charity'!

I wonder why she didn't go for the jugular and really stick it to DJ's? Or why she at least didn't try and get legal costs in the deal? We will never know what happened behind those closed doors - or whether she is as innocent as she seems.

Pretty stupid stunt really - who is going to want to employee her after this little tirade? Potential law suits - you'd rather not chance it.
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Previous Employer: David Jones
Reason For leaving: Instigated sexual harassment claim for 37 million dollars

Yeah right...next!
:cuckoo:
 
JTLP said:
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I wonder why she didn't go for the jugular and really stick it to DJ's? Or why she at least didn't try and get legal costs in the deal?
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Are you seriously suggesting she wouldn't have tried? We know she tried to bill them for her trip to New York to attend a wedding.
Given the judge's comments I quoted above, it would seem she has been damn lucky to get anything.

She will regret the whole massive publicity that she engineered when she finds she is poison amongst potential employers.

She could have chosen to settle and have kept her job in the early stages.
Instead she decided to grandstand across the media of Australia and she is now wearing the result.
 
Julia said:
Are you seriously suggesting she wouldn't have tried? We know she tried to bill them for her trip to New York to attend a wedding.
Given the judge's comments I quoted above, it would seem she has been damn lucky to get anything.

She will regret the whole massive publicity that she engineered when she finds she is poison amongst potential employers.

She could have chosen to settle and have kept her job in the early stages.
Instead she decided to grandstand across the media of Australia and she is now wearing the result.
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I myself have been sexually harassed, while being measured for a suit, at DJ's but chose not to pursue it as the lass who harassed me was such a sweet thing.

All these harassments need to be taken in context.

One person's harassment is another's inside leg.

gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
I myself have been sexually harassed, while being measured for a suit, at DJ's but chose not to pursue it as the lass who harassed me was such a sweet thing.

All these harassments need to be taken in context.

One person's harassment is another's inside leg.

gg
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I agree gg. If I had a dollar for every time I (a male) was 'propositioned' or given a bit of a rub up, 'saucy' talk and even sat on my lap at work, I'd be quite a bit wealthier.

Julia said:
Are you seriously suggesting she wouldn't have tried? We know she tried to bill them for her trip to New York to attend a wedding.
Given the judge's comments I quoted above, it would seem she has been damn lucky to get anything.

She will regret the whole massive publicity that she engineered when she finds she is poison amongst potential employers.

She could have chosen to settle and have kept her job in the early stages.
Instead she decided to grandstand across the media of Australia and she is now wearing the result.
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Totally agree with Julia too.

I think in the unpolitically correct venacular, Ms Kristy seems to be the proverbial Gold digging, pr!ck teaser. :eek: :couch

PS: ...and btw, what a clever 'legality' to sleeze out of donating to charity. What a grandstanding Teaser!
 
From the link scanspeak posted earlier:

ROFLMAO:D

"Fraser-Kirk to keep David Jones settlement money "

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I'm sure DJS would be quite pleased with the outcome here. No mutli million dollar payout and photos like the one above used in the media when she fails to give a cent to charity.

This would have to be one of the funniest things I've ever seen. She's killed her career, looks like a liar and a gold digger by keeping all the money and for what? A sum of money that won't even by a nice house, let alone support her whilst she tries to find an employer that hasn't seen her in the media for the past few months.

LOL!
 
The untold story is what the other female DJ employees who worked with both of them thought.

Maybe will make it into the gossip media.

Still seems like an attempted workplace conquest that got a bit out of control, and neither party wanted to back down.

On a slightly different, but related note, was recently hearing that, legally, a woman cannot give consent when intoxicated.

This must mean many relationships are based on date rape.:eek:

Not just that, but what about Friday night when the wife has had a few glasses of wine ?:confused:

What is the definition of intoxicated anyway?
 
awg said:
What is the definition of intoxicated anyway?
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Try these;

•Pissed
•Legless
•Bladdered
•F**ked
•Tipsy
•Merry
•Three sheets to the wind
•Blind (with "drunk")
•Pickled
•Leathered
•Buzzed
•Lumga - this one is actually the Haida word for drunk (Haida being my tribe from the northwest coast of Canada)
•Off the wagon - okay this one means drinking in general, but close enough
•High - as used by Lou Rawls in "Scotch and Soda"
•Trashed
•On a bender
•Hooped
•Looped/loopy
•Gunned - I heard this one on Larry and Willy this morning, 2006/06/27.

•Sub. by Stumpy
•Pixilated - I like this one
•Ripped - If Daffy Duck says it's so, who am I to disagree?

•Sub. by Cosgrove
•Sloshed
•Gone
•Done
•Hammered
•Wasted
•Sauced
•Liquored up
•Boozy
•Happy
•Wrecked
•Stiff
•Intoxicated
•Under the Influence

•Sub. by Odysseus
•Shikker - I've never heard this one

•Sub. by tdunnie
•Snockered
•'Faced - along with its profane full-version cousin s**tfaced
•Plastered
•Lit

•Sub. by marygabucan
•Crunk - Never heard this one
•Crinked - nor this one
•Tore Up
•Magoogled

•Sub. by RosieCotton
•Inebriated
•Under the Weather
•wobbly
•had a skinful
•on the cuff
•in your cups

•Sub. by baker
•Smashed
•Messed up
•Blasted

•Sub. by Penny
•Tight
•Wiggy
•Jazzed
•Spifflicated

•Sub. by Merlin
•Zonked - though I've usually used this word to mean "tired"
•Stoned - I've usually heard this in reference to drugs
•Spiffed

•Sub. by pianoshootis
•Toe up
•Loaded
•Soused
•Stinko
•Blotto - how could I have forgotten this one? One of my favourite lines from The Simpsons is "My name is Otto, I like to get blotto".
•Stewed

•Sub. by bertie
•Tired and emotional - generally used by PR folk

•Sub. by grandpa chum
•tanked
•trollied
•bludgeoned by life
•rat-legged
•razzled
•On a campaign
•Merle Haggard I love this one.
•goosed
•howling
•poisoned

•Sub. by 1922
•spongy (from Shakespeare's Macbeth)

•Sub. by russ03
•guttered
•gassed
•blootered
•miraculous - wha?
•minced
•mingin' - I've always heard this to mean ugly or gross
•welly'd
•mortal
•hingin'
•buckled
•arsed - in England they also use the expanded form "arseholed"
•steamin'

•Sub. by sarahinspace
•Bevvied
•Boozed
•Trolleyed (as in trolley, not the eye of a troll) Smashed
•Sloshed
•Wroughted (a personal favourite)
•Half cut (not sure why we only say 'half' but anyway...)
•Paralytic (can be abbreviated to 'para' or 'paz')
•Sauced
•On the sauce
•On the turps (ie turpentine)
•On the piss
•Off your face
•Off your nut
•Off your tree
•Off your trolley
•Maggotted/Maggotty (pronounced maggot-ed, can be abbreviated to 'maggot'- another fave)
•And my all time favourite,
•Boris Yeltsin.

•Sub. by russa03
•jaiked up - i'm surprised i forgot this one it's very popular in the west of Scotland
•pished
•mad wi it
•fou/fow/fu (as in 'full-up') - can also relate to food
•stocious
•puggled
•smeekit
•iled up
•scuppered
•miraculous/moroculous - i think these are the same pronounced slightly differently
 
Julia said:
Are you seriously suggesting she wouldn't have tried? We know she tried to bill them for her trip to New York to attend a wedding.
Given the judge's comments I quoted above, it would seem she has been damn lucky to get anything.

She will regret the whole massive publicity that she engineered when she finds she is poison amongst potential employers.

She could have chosen to settle and have kept her job in the early stages.
Instead she decided to grandstand across the media of Australia and she is now wearing the result.
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Haha no Julia - that's why I added the comment at the end! No doubt she tried the whole dog and pony show...baulked at the first offer from DJ's...but when things went south for her - she chomped just to get out of there!

Tech/A is on the money - she'll be a very lonely individual in the future - silly way to isolate yourself just for some publicity.

And isn't that her job? L.o.l
 
awg said:
On a slightly different, but related note, was recently hearing that, legally, a woman cannot give consent when intoxicated.
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This probably deserves its own thread. Makes it pretty hard for a bloke when she says yes, but next day claims rape because she says she had had too much to drink to be responsible for what she said.
Seems completely wrong to me.
 
Julia said:
This probably deserves its own thread. Makes it pretty hard for a bloke when she says yes, but next day claims rape because she says she had had too much to drink to be responsible for what she said.
Seems completely wrong to me.
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Works both ways. What if she's sober and he's intoxicated?
Then HE'S been raped.
 
tech/a said:
I see one very lonely individual in the not so distant future.
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Lonely, apart from the family and boyfriend...and all the organisations (charitable or otherwise) that will now come begging for a slice of the payout.
 
Well the case is over and some sort of sense prevails. It would have been over the top for a multimillion dollar settlement to have been awarded. The judge made it clear he saw this as just another sexual harrassment case with no extra bells and whistles.

Regarding the lack of money to charity ? I understood that Kirsty Fraser-Kirk was going to give some money from any punitive damages That was the stuff way above the straight sexual harassment settlement. In fact after she takes out the considerable legal costs and the uprooting of her life and probable loss of future income she'll be lucky to stay even.

It's been interesting to observe the comments of many forum members who have slagged off at Kirsty both during and now after the legal proceedings. I think it has been pretty ordinary and I'm not sure whether it reflects on some people innate natures or how they have been influenced by the media coverage. There was a good (IMO) summing up of the case in The Age today.

Boys' club still alive and well at top end of town

.....For the same people who last week were championing women's rights were the ones doing their best to undermine the case of a young woman who had been made the subject of blatant sexual harassment in the workplace.

Why? Well, the spin doctors took control. It's all very well to rewrite the motherhood statement press release but, when it gets down to the hard issues, whatever you do, don't rock the boat otherwise you won't be given access to the ''movers and shakers'' and you won't be invited to lunch again.

Let's get a few facts on the table before we go any further.

Mark McInnes, the disgraced former chief executive of David Jones, was removed. That is rare in the corporate world and happens under only the most extreme of circumstances. He was removed because DJs board decided his tenure could no longer be justified.

Sexual harassment shouldn't be confused with office romance. There are plenty of senior executives who have engaged in romances and affairs on a consensual basis. Nor is it about love, lust or even sexual gratification. It is about domination and power, or rather the abuse of power.

McInnes admitted his guilt. On the day he departed ''by mutual consent'' (that's code for he grabbed some cash on the way out because the board wanted him out immediately), McInnes confided he had ''acted inappropriately''.

That's where it all could have ended. DJs directors had dared to venture into a brave new world, where other bastions of male-dominated capitalism had feared to tread. The board had taken a serious view on sexual harassment and opted to believe the employee over the chief executive.

There were big investors around town privately who berated the board and the chairman, Bob Savage. Money was more important than this kind of rubbish, they said. Why not just pay out the little girlie, sweep it under the carpet and get on with the job, just like it's always been?

By then it was too late. And then the stakes increased. Kristy Fraser Kirk sued for damages and made a statement on the issue by seeking an extraordinary amount of money - $37 million.

This elevated the issue into a new realm. Suddenly, she was out on her own. And that's when the corporate world kicked into gear.

It was a campaign straight from the ''Spin Doctor's Guide to Shaping Public Opinion''.

Step 1. Soften the perpetrator's image. And so it came. Mark is a great guy. Mark is one of the best bosses around. Mark's pals, the movers and shakers, are sticking by him.

Step 2. Downgrade the offence. He only touched her bra strap (after reaching under her blouse). Who hasn't done that at a work function to a colleague? It was such a minor offence every company in town will be overjoyed he's on the market and will be trying to hire him.

Step 3. Turn the victim into the perpetrator and denigrate as much as possible. Kristy Fraser Kirk was a ''junior publicist''. She had form. She's complained in the past. She's just after cash.

You can't blame the spin doctors. They may be paid a fortune but they are merely doing a job. The sad reality is that those who should know better not only listened to this garbage but swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

As for women's rights, the boys' club and sexism? Go the status quo!
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http://www.theage.com.au/business/b...d-well-at-top-end-of-town-20101018-16qzu.html

Perhaps they only way some our our contributors could recognise accurately what happened with Mark Mcinnes abuse of power and incessant assault on Kirsty would be hearing a similar story from a daughter, partner or close friend. I'd hope so any way.

Cheers
 
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