Does God Exist? [Arguments & Proofs]

[tech/a]

So we have some great falling rock to thank for our existence?
Wow very sophisticated thinking....

And the alternative is Adam and Eve-----

The Rock fell---we actually know that.
Adam and Eve is story telling.

Sophistication at its prime.

 

[bullsvsbears]

Yes a rock fell and what next???
Or was it two rocks??? Male and female

 

[explod]

To ducati916

God is no fairy tale, he is very real but in our human attempt to appear clever we have in fact become fools my friend.

Your sentence does not make any sense at all.

What do attempts to be clever have to do with fairy tales and how does that in turn make one a fool?

 

[bullsvsbears]

It's quite obvious.
People start drifting from the truth and in turn try to make up a whole new truth that is so implausible and needs more faith to make it plausible.

 

[explod]

It's quite obvious.
People start drifting from the truth and in turn try to make up a whole new truth that is so implausible and needs more faith to make it plausible.

What is the truth, you have certainly not explained any truth here.

 

[Ruby]

To ducati916

Bible a fairy tale????What do you base this assumption on???

Doesn't it mean anything to you that a book that was completed some two thousand years ago is still the most read book on the planet?

Are you sure it is the most read book on the planet? Do you have stats to support that? I would doubt it. Relatively few people actually read the bible. (Ask around.) Oh yes, people who go to church have bits of it read out to them; and most of us know a few quotes; and many people have bibles in their homes (which are never opened); and people who stay in hotels find them in the drawer of the bedside table; but how many actually read it? And how many have read it right through?

To ducati916

This is a book that has not gone out of fashion because it was inspired by a higher power and not by flawed human intelligence.

Bible inspired by a higher power?????? On what do you base that assumption???????

If it was inspired by a higher power and not by 'flawed human intelligence', why is it so full of contradictions? And why does its 'writer' condone such atrocities as genocide, rape, pillage, incest, slavery, selling one's daughters in marriage, polygamy,etc, etc? You cannot substantiate your claim.

(My bolds)

 

[bullsvsbears]

I think it's pretty clear. Now tell me your version of the truth!

 

[bullsvsbears]

Ruby, you obviously haven't read or understood the bible enough to get on your high horse!

 

[Ruby]

Ruby, you obviously haven't read or understood the bible enough to get on your high horse!

I have read enough of the bible to support what I said. You don't have to go very far through it to see all of that. Genesis and Exodus will do.

Have you read it all the way through? If so, you have no choice but to agree with me.

 

[bullsvsbears]

Sounds like a classic case of 'a little bit of knowledge can be dangerous'...
Yes the bible does mention atrocities/rape/wars.....but in no way does the author condone such behaviour.

Humans still rape and commit murder and God in no way approves but it goes to highlight what human nature is capable of when there is separation from God. You just have to look at society these days to understand just how barbaric we can really be.

 

[Options2010]

Does God Exist?

...which one?

I have arguments against the god of the bible (problem of evil/unnecessary suffering, argument from non-belief, argument from inconsistent revelations).

There are also speculative arguments against the universe requiring a creator, for example, the various different interpretations of quantum theory (string theory etc.) and what each has to say about the initial conditions of the universe and possible "pre"-conditions before The Universe As We Know It came into existence. I highly doubt that a personal, intelligent creator is responsible. When I look out into reality, all I see is nature. It's quite glaringly obvious, actually. It's a shame people can't embrace reality, instead clinging on to comfortable delusion... such a shame.

 

[tech/a]

Yes a rock fell and what next???
Or was it two rocks??? Male and female

EErrr---

Dinosaurs extinct.
Evolution
Man evolves over 6 million years.
That is the truth and is proven.

Don't need any god or book or hypothesis to explain how we got here or how anything got here---it all simply evolved and some have evolved to a higher degree than others---and that sadly will always be the case.

 

[Options2010]

Sounds like a classic case of 'a little bit of knowledge can be dangerous'...
Yes the bible does mention atrocities/rape/wars.....but in no way does the author condone such behaviour.

Humans still rape and commit murder and God in no way approves but it goes to highlight what human nature is capable of when there is separation from God. You just have to look at society these days to understand just how barbaric we can really be.

If you see someone getting raped, wouldn't you try and stop their attacker? Any morally responsible person would. So why won't your god? Either your god is malevolent, incompetent, or non-existent.

 

[tech/a]

...which one?

I have arguments against the god of the bible (problem of evil/unnecessary suffering, argument from non-belief, argument from inconsistent revelations).

There are also speculative arguments against the universe requiring a creator, for example, the various different interpretations of quantum theory (string theory etc.) and what each has to say about the initial conditions of the universe and possible "pre"-conditions before The Universe As We Know It came into existence. I highly doubt that a personal, intelligent creator is responsible. When I look out into reality, all I see is nature. It's quite glaringly obvious, actually. It's a shame people can't embrace reality, instead clinging on to comfortable delusion... such a shame.

Ahh
Someone who is a little more---evolved!
excellent.

 

[roland]

I'm continually amazed at the passion shown by firm believers in the bible and the lengths they go to to incite debates where there can be no other outcome than a stalemate.

I've noticed that bullsvsbears has all but 6 posts in the ASF forum devoted to religion and wonder if he or she is really in the correct forum.

 

[explod]

I think it's pretty clear. Now tell me your version of the truth!

I am not the one making the assertion. We need to deal with your take on what is truth and how you can prove it with some direct physical evidence my friend.

The bible is secondary evidence at best has been re-writted and re-interpreted hundreds of times in the two thousand years. A study of history alongside the development of the bible suggests input for political control of the people.

It has been well explained by clear thinkers of more recent scholarship that the dogma of religion stifles free choice, unencumbered education and free thinking.

I fear bulsvbears, that you are indeed a victim of this past dogma.

 

[noco]

Did God create man or did man create God?

I would choose the latter.

The bible has been quoted as being one third fable, one thrid fiction and one third the truth. It has been interpreted and rewritten that many times over the years that it is now far from the original.

I know so many people who go to church every Sunday and are absolute hypocrites. Some are known to steal, some have no respect for the the law, their husbands and wives, friends and neighbours. Some commit adultery.

I know a woman who converted to Jehova Witness and broke every rule in the book including leaving her husband. Incidently, the Jehova bible is different to the others.

Many use the bible as a shadow to cover their misdoings and consider themselves do gooders.

One's up bringing starts at home with good and understanding parents who teach their kids right from wrong. I know of families who never go to church and are far better citizens than the ones who go.

So why do we need the bible?

 

[Julia]

Oh, for god's sake (blasphemy intended): do we really need yet another thread on religion? Did you consider, bullsvsbears, looking for existing threads and adding your redundant comments to one of those?

So we have some great falling rock to thank for our existence?
Wow very sophisticated thinking....

The fact that you indulge in sarcasm, entirely unnecessarily, won't help your case. If you do have a genuine case to make, you should have sufficient confidence in it to do so without being rude to other posters.

As I said in my previous post... How can we deduct that God doesn't exist if we can't answer basic questions such as when to introduce a simple nut or an egg to an infant's diet???

That is truly one of the silliest questions I've ever seen posed on a forum.
It's nonsensical. There is no connection.
You cannot demonstrate that God exists or does not exist by any possible means. It's a matter of belief.

The use of eggs or nuts in an infant's diet, on the other hand, can quite obviously be shown to be useful or otherwise by means of scientifically tested clinical experiment.

After so called billions of years of evolution humanity really hasn't made great inroads.

Again, utter nonsense. You are dismissing all the scientific and humanitarian advances made by human beings. Would you have us return to the barbaric times of the Bible?

I think it's pretty clear. Now tell me your version of the truth!

That is a total non-response, and prevarication at its worst.

Ruby, you obviously haven't read or understood the bible enough to get on your high horse!

Again you are being rude in the face of another poster offering her own point of view. You have no grounds to be so dismissive. You have no way of knowing how much of the Bible Ruby may have read. She probably has the capacity to dismiss what she sees as irrelevant.

Sounds like a classic case of 'a little bit of knowledge can be dangerous'...
Yes the bible does mention atrocities/rape/wars.....but in no way does the author condone such behaviour.

"The author"? Who is this author? Are you suggesting there is a single author of the entire Bible?

Humans still rape and commit murder and God in no way approves but it goes to highlight what human nature is capable of when there is separation from God. You just have to look at society these days to understand just how barbaric we can really be.

Again, utterly simplistic and unrealistic. There is much rape and murder committed in the name of various gods.

I'm continually amazed at the passion shown by firm believers in the bible and the lengths they go to to incite debates where there can be no other outcome than a stalemate.

I've noticed that bullsvsbears has all but 6 posts in the ASF forum devoted to religion and wonder if he or she is really in the correct forum.

Quite so, roland.
I'm also vaguely irritated at myself for being annoyed enough to respond.

 

[nunthewiser]

Oh, for god's sake (blasphemy intended): do we really need yet another thread on religion? Did you consider, bullsvsbears, looking for existing threads and adding your redundant comments to one of those?


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um scroll back.

he did not start this thread.

and as for God.......he lives in Geraldton WA with the rest of the bewtiful ppl.

 

[trainspotter]

um scroll back.

he did not start this thread.

and as for God.......he lives in Geraldton WA with the rest of the bewtiful ppl.

I am here and available ... te he.