Does Gillard inspire confidence?

[noco]

Geez ladies and gentlemen of ASF do we have to go back to Menzies.
This thread is about Gillard and what she has done or not done and whether she inspires voters.

If you think she can do the job, please tell us how!

If you don't think she can do the job, please tell us why!

If you want to go back on history, please start another thread.

 

[GumbyLearner]

In the spirit of Keating. She will be much more straight and inspiring than
Kevin Rudd.

 

[trainspotter]

Don't go there TS.
Selling the japs the iron????? If it wasn't for Curtin you would probably be half jap and so would I. Bringing back the AIF from the middle east against the advice of Churchill & Roosevelt. The Limited Conscription Act?

In Australia's greatest time of crisis, Menzies made no decisions!!!

Remember the Brisbane line proposed by Churchill.

Actually come to think of it!!! You probably wouldn't own a pearl farm!!

LOL ...Menzies had nothing to do with the selling of the iron ore. He was the Attorney-General and Minister of Industry at the time and was merely performing his duties to break the strike. Strikers had refused to load a cargo of pig-iron for Japan, a nation they correctly branded as an aggressor in China and predicted as an enemy of Australia. In the heat of contemporary and subsequent disparagement of Menzies it was not noted that the proposed export was a one-off and very limited contract, that Menzies went to great lengths to negotiate with the unions concerned, and that there was clear internal union disagreement on the issues at stake.

So you believe no decisions were made during his 17 year reign? LOLOL .. the Australian voting public must have liked him for doing nothing then !

 

[explod]

The difference my dear friend is Rudd was elected by the people as leader of the Labor Party at the time and promising the world and delivering little.. Turnbull was in opposition and leaning too far to Labor on an ETS; another big Labor tax.

Rudd was not elected at all, the election was lost in the main by Howard's love affair with GWB and the fight against terrorism in mostly the wrong places. As well on the same sword fell Blair in the UK.

Rudd in fact emulated many of Howard's traits, aloof, manic for press and to stand by the man of the us of a. Starts to wear thin when you are cutting back on food to ensure the mortgage repayments.

 

[GumbyLearner]

Geez ladies and gentlemen of ASF do we have to go back to Menzies.
This thread is about Gillard and what she has done or not done and whether she inspires voters.

If you think she can do the job, please tell us how!

If you don't think she can do the job, please tell us why!

If you want to go back on history, please start another thread.

If you have heroes noco well laud them!

Otherwise just shut up and give the new PM a chance.

The Liberal Party of Australia has made just as many errors as the ALP.

If you want to get stuck into her, in her first week on the job. Well then I think it only fair that other posters including myself should be excepted to dig up the wrongs of previous conservative leaders of Australia to provide some balance.

FAIR GO

 

[trainspotter]

Geez ladies and gentlemen of ASF do we have to go back to Menzies.
This thread is about Gillard and what she has done or not done and whether she inspires voters.

If you think she can do the job, please tell us how!

If you don't think she can do the job, please tell us why!

If you want to go back on history, please start another thread.

Absolutely correct noco. Cracks me up when people reckon Howard benefitted from Keatings previous policies?? ROFL. Yeah right !!

I was delving back just a little bit further to remind the good people of ASF where it all actually started. Never mind.

Julia Gillard?? Will become the greatest PM that ever lived and God had the good fortune of shovelling guts into. WHY? Had such a great platform leftover from the Howard years. Also might have something to do with other countries FINALLY deciding to reign in their debt. Ooopsies. Macro economics is such a dirty word these days.

 

[GumbyLearner]

LOL ...Menzies had nothing to do with the selling of the iron ore. He was the Attorney-General and Minister of Industry at the time and was merely performing his duties to break the strike. Strikers had refused to load a cargo of pig-iron for Japan, a nation they correctly branded as an aggressor in China and predicted as an enemy of Australia. In the heat of contemporary and subsequent disparagement of Menzies it was not noted that the proposed export was a one-off and very limited contract, that Menzies went to great lengths to negotiate with the unions concerned, and that there was clear internal union disagreement on the issues at stake.

So you believe no decisions were made during his 17 year reign? LOLOL .. the Australian voting public must have liked him for doing nothing then !

Cold war
Power without glory - Frank Hardy

Hard to lose when half the country hate each other. JMO

 

[noco]

In the spirit of Keating. She will be much more straight and inspiring than
Kevin Rudd.

Lets hope the spirit of Keating is dead and buried otherwise we might become a 'BANANA REPULIC' and have a recession we had to have.

 

[GumbyLearner]

Rudd was not elected at all, the election was lost in the main by Howard's love affair with GWB and the fight against terrorism in mostly the wrong places. As well on the same sword fell Blair in the UK.

Rudd in fact emulated many of Howard's traits, aloof, manic for press and to stand by the man of the us of a. Starts to wear thin when you are cutting back on food to ensure the mortgage repayments.

That's bull**** explod.

Howard lost because people like my cousins got sick of being called after a 9am to 5pm day and being told by their employer to return to work at 7pm at the family dinner table on the threat of being dismissed. FAIR GO

 

[drsmith]

In the spirit of Keating. She will be much more straight and inspiring than
Kevin Rudd.

Was this the reply ?

 

[IFocus]

Why stop there ? Why not blame Menzies for creating the Liberal Party? He also was PM during the Great Depression. All his fault. Don't forget the wharfie dispute either. His fault as well.

Actually the very reason Abbott wont be prime minister is because he is nothing like Menzies

 

[Calliope]

Cold war
Power without glory - Frank Hardy

Frank Hardy? That old Stalinist. You really are a dinosaur.

 

[GumbyLearner]

Lets hope the spirit of Keating is dead and buried otherwise we might become a 'BANANA REPULIC' and have a recession we had to have.

Let's hope the Liberal Party policy of allowing borrowing, borrowing, borrowing and borrowing for the average private citizen isn't pounced on by foreign or monopoly based interests. For the good of our country and it's citizenry.

This also runs consistent why they would have Turnbull ex Gold man sux banker (biggest liars on Wall Street) as their Leader. The only reason he is not today, is because the farmers of Australia wouldn't believe in his marketable bull**** science.

 

[GumbyLearner]

Frank Hardy? That old Stalinist. You really are a dinosaur.

It's the main contributing factor why his tenure was so long.

 

[trainspotter]

Actually the very reason Abbott wont be prime minister is because he is nothing like Menzies

Once again IFocus I thank you for your support. Very astute observation. Abbott may win similar style to Menzies when he frightened the populace with the Petrov Affair. Similar to Howard and the Tampa Crisis. There may be a crisis/affair to take away the rain from Julia Gillards parade prior to the election. The resolution of the Mining Tax will win her votes. The choice to NOT fly in the jet to Brisbane for a Labor Party Fundraiser and focus on the Mining Tax will win her votes. Her decision NOT to move into the Lodge until voted in will win her votes. Nope ... no chance of a thundery shower from what I can see.

 

[Julia]

Apparently, Calliope was a fly on the wall at all the gang of four meetings.

The insulation program was definitely wastefull, but "dodgy mal-practices" only relate to the private contractors installing the insulation, not the government.

That's not quite right, Macquack. The government failed to put sufficient safeguards in place or do proper checks on installers. The programme was just made to be rorted, and that's of course what happened.
Ditto the BER with its ridiculously over priced buildings.

There was good sense behind some sort of stimulus programme, but in their haste, they failed to set all the schemes up and supervise them properly.
There's now intimidation of school principals who want to report price gouging.

Rubbish, the gang of four were party to all Rudd's bad decisions, and Gillard has not backed away from the BER or roof insulation wasteful and dodgy mal-practices..

That's true, and it's to her credit that she has acknowledged her share of blame.

Rudd had to go, not because of his bad decisions, but because Gillard, acting on instructions from her factional masters, betrayed him. His sin was that he didn't suck up to a faction.

Probably right, but my guess is that the other deciding factor in his execution was that the government realised the miners had them over a barrel and that the tax would have to so modified as to bear only a passing resemblance to the original. Kevin Rudd couldn't be seen to make yet another major backflip without exposing the Party to utter ridicule, thus cementing Abbott's increasing confidence, so Rudd was tossed out with the idea that Julia would come along with her smiles and charm, and her (genuine, I think) conciliatory approach and be able to persuade voters that she didn't really, truly, absolutely go along with the tax, she was just pretending, and what she really wanted was the new modified version.

Just a theory of course.

In the spirit of Keating. She will be much more straight and inspiring than
Kevin Rudd.

She may well be. Too early to know yet. She will at least give the impression of being straight.
I like her clear refusal to swear on the Bible, and to be candid about being an agnostic or atheist. That's a strong point in her favour for me, after Rudd and Abbott being such godbotherers.

Rudd was not elected at all, the election was lost in the main by Howard's love affair with GWB and the fight against terrorism in mostly the wrong places. As well on the same sword fell Blair in the UK.

Rudd in fact emulated many of Howard's traits, aloof, manic for press and to stand by the man of the us of a. Starts to wear thin when you are cutting back on food to ensure the mortgage repayments.

That's bull**** explod.

Howard lost because people like my cousins got sick of being called after a 9am to 5pm day and being told by their employer to return to work at 7pm at the family dinner table on the threat of being dismissed. FAIR GO

I think you're both right. The Howard government was tired, or at least perceived as such, and Work Choices really finished them off. It was the last straw for the people who had been so dismayed about Howard's enthusiasm to involve us in wars that were none of our business.

 

[trainspotter]

Let's hope the Liberal Party policy of allowing borrowing, borrowing, borrowing and borrowing for the average private citizen isn't pounced on by foreign or monopoly based interests. For the good of our country and it's citizenry.

LOLOL ........ Ummmmm that is the Labor policy? Spend up BIG on the National credit card then let the Libs pay it off .... AGAIN.

 

[Macquack]

So you believe no decisions were made during his 17 year reign? LOLOL .. the Australian voting public must have liked him for doing nothing then !

Interesting point there Trainspotter.

After listening (reading) a barrage of labor bashing comments over the past two years, I have come to the conclusion that the best course of action for a government is to do f*** all. If the Labor government did 'f*** all', all the professional whingers on ASF would be happy and have nothing to whinge about (except for maybe a recession).

John Howard was in power for a very long time using this same policy of doing 'f*** all' (except bring in the regressive GST).

 

[GumbyLearner]

LOLOL ........ Ummmmm that is the Labor policy? Spend up BIG on the National credit card then let the Libs pay it off .... AGAIN.

Always loved that smirk.
Peter Costello nice one!!! What a doyen of economics!!!!

Our esteemed former Treasurer, Peter Costello, sold off two-thirds (or 167 tonnes) of our nation’s entire gold reserves in 1997 and pocketed about US$2.4 billion in the process, with gold at the time trading between $US332 and $US416 per ounce. The trouble is that decision has now cost Australia in the vicinity of $6 billion, with the gold price now trading in the region of US$950 per ounce.

Not only that, but Australia was the world’s third-largest gold producer at the time and for the Australian government to sell out its gold holdings, particularly in that climate, sent entirely the wrong message to the rest of the world. In the European Union most governments hold more than 50% of their reserves in gold, while in the US it was as high as 76% during 2008. The US holds 8000 tons of gold in Fort Knox (although the last official audit was in the early 1960s) and has not sold a single bar.

http://www.fatprophets.com.au/Membe...d022af15c&product=Australasian Mining&pt=paid

Now it's roughly $1240 US dollars an ounce.

I think I'll just add a few more one eyes to the debate.

 

[Joe Blow]

I know that we're not as strict as some other forums when it comes to the issue of the occasional four letter word but I think some people are going a bit overboard in this thread.

There's really no need for such obscene language and I would really appreciate it if those using crude language could make an effort to present their views in a slightly less offensive way.