Gillard for PM?

[noco]

FFS!! That comment is the definition of prejudice. With some nice denial leading in. Classic

Think what you like Trembling Hand, time will tell as to whether I am right or wrong.

 

[Trembling Hand]

Think what you like Trembling Hand, time will tell as to whether I am right or wrong.

Its not a matter of my thinking its a matter of fact that you are sexist or at a minimum that comment of yours is sexist. So we can look forward to more of the same from you I expect.

By the way the US Commander of the Iraq war fainted while sitting down recently while doing nothing more than chatting. What do you make of that? Weak gender? Weak commander? Too much work for anyone but super man??

 

[wayneL]

Its not a matter of my thinking its a matter of fact that you are sexist or at a minimum that comment of yours is sexist. So we can look forward to more of the same from you I expect.

By the way the US Commander of the Iraq war fainted while sitting down recently while doing nothing more than chatting. What do you make of that? Weak gender? Weak commander? Too much work for anyone but super man??

Yeah let's keep gender out of it... silly stuff. We want the best person whether male, female, married, unmarried, attached, single, gay, straight, attractive, ugly, redhead, blond(e) or brunette. Who gives a f### if they can do the job.

I think she is an impressive politician and think she will be a good leader, but vehemently opposed to her ideology. On this basis alone I oppose her.

Opposition on the basis of sex is... sexist. But support on the basis of sex is also sexist. I hope feminists will recognise this.

 

[Logique]

Well, well. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/politics/a-pragmatists-rise-to-the-top/story-e6frgczf-1225884019615

Already knew about her and Emerson. Her private life is her own, and he seems like a decent guy. But it does lend support to my assertion that her power base within the ALP is the Unions. Union executive membership is a conveyor belt to ALP membership, such as Bill Shorten, Greg Combet, and Jennie George (who is retiring next time). And Gillard as a lawyer represented the AWU in wage cases.

As for the Unions - they want a resources tax. The current advertising embargo is just to take the immediate political heat out of the situation. When the Gillard ALP govt eventually comes to the negotiating table with the miners, they will negotiate - hard.

I'm not a NZ'er, but I had hoped that Australia might avoid the political leftist dry gulch the Clark govt led them down. But I fear it may not be so, unless voters can look past the gender gimmick to the true political ideology of their candidates.

 

[Trembling Hand]

I think she is an impressive politician and think she will be a good leader, but vehemently opposed to her ideology. On this basis alone I oppose her.

Indeed. Seems plenty of reasons not to like the persons thinking irrespective of the colour of her hair.

 

[trainspotter]

The real reason behind the demise of Rudd.

 

[Knobby22]

Those guys in the cartoon should be mining multi-nationals.

 

[trainspotter]

Those guys in the cartoon should be mining multi-nationals.

Good point. Photoshop it for me please.

 

[Knobby22]

I think she is an impressive politician and think she will be a good leader, but vehemently opposed to her ideology. On this basis alone I oppose her.

.

THere is a really experienced, free market control guy who has experience running larger countries than Australia who may run the country if we ask him.

George W Bush.

re: photoshop
I'll just get a non News limited company to give the alternate view.

 

[wayneL]

THere is a really experienced, free market control guy who has experience running larger countries than Australia who may run the country if we ask him.

George W Bush.

re: photoshop
I'll just get a non News limited company to give the alternate view.

Whatever dubya is, he is not a free marketeer.

 

[Logique]

http://www.dailyadvertiser.com.au/n...-next-one-for-knife-warns-latham/1868920.aspx

MEGAN LEVY
25 Jun, 2010 03:37 PM
Gillard may be next one for knife, warns Latham The modern Labor Party is obsessed with opinion polls and no longer retains loyalty for its leaders, according to deposed Labor leader Mark Latham.
The controversial figure today predicted Prime Minister Julia Gillard would be next for the knife because key ALP figures hated her.
‘‘(Deputy Prime Minister) Wayne Swan is no fan of hers,’’ Mr Latham said today, following the dramatic appointment of Australia's first female prime minister. "Gillard has, for reasons I never quite understood, enormous animosity from people like (Anthony) Albanese and (Lindsay) Tanner and (Jenny) Macklin. "I don’t know what they did down there in the Victorian Left in the '80s and '90s but they hate each other.’'

Mr Latham hit out at the factional chiefs he saw as driving the party.
While he believed Mr Rudd's leadership was terminal and that Ms Gillard had no choice but to step into the void, Mr Latham warned the new Prime Minister that she may be "the next one for the knife" once her honeymoon period wears off.
The factional chiefs were the very people she had previously described as being the "dark side" of the party, he said.

"Now she's in in bed with them (the factions) I think that she will have to live with those consequences for quite some time," Mr Latham said.
He said Mr Rudd's victory in 2007 was "miraculous", and for that reason he would always be a Labor hero.

However, many of those people who rode on his coat tails to victory in 2007 had deserted him yesterday.
"It just proves in the Labor Party now there is no loyalty to the leader," he said.

"It's a poll-driven party. There's very little that will happen in the next couple of months that will be about programs and hard decisions in the national interest.
"It's as if the modern Labor Party is so focused on polling, so focused on marketing, so focused on communications 101 that it's given up the task of getting these hard reforms through."

He described Ms Gillard as a "very skilled political technician" and believed there was no evidence she was plotting to become the Prime Minister.
It had been brought about by Mr Rudd's own "folly" in charging his trusted chief-of-staff, Alister Jordan, with gauging support for the leader in the wake of bad polls.

A news report detailing the canvassing would have caused Gillard to feel betrayed, Mr Latham said.
"There's no evidence of Gillard plotting, and I think that's to her credit," he said.

"If she initiated it, you can bet your best dollar that that would have ended up in the media."

 

[Calliope]

Sydney Morning Herald on-line poll;

Poll: Are you more likely to vote Labor with Julia Gillard as leader?
Yes
41%
No
59%
Total votes: 102772.Poll closes in 3 days.
Disclaimer: These polls are not scientific and reflect the opinion only of visitors who have chosen to participate

 

[todster]

I'll see your Raventhorpe and Hot Briquettes, and raise you to Insulation Deaths and ETS backflip.
Give me BHP anyday.

Dont think BHPs record on deaths in the workplace are anything to be proud of

 

[noco]

Its not a matter of my thinking its a matter of fact that you are sexist or at a minimum that comment of yours is sexist. So we can look forward to more of the same from you I expect.

By the way the US Commander of the Iraq war fainted while sitting down recently while doing nothing more than chatting. What do you make of that? Weak gender? Weak commander? Too much work for anyone but super man??

Trembling Hand, I fail to see how can brand me as a sexist.
I was expressing the bleeding obvious. I was even surprised how Kevin Rudd stood up to it all. He was a worker holic if there was one.

 

[nioka]

FFS!! That comment is the definition of prejudice. With some nice denial leading in. Classic

I don't agree that it is a definition of prejudice. It is a statement of fact. Why do the men and women have separate competitions at Wimbleton. I suggest that men have more stanima than women. Does she have the stanima for the job. I doubt that half the men would have kept the pace required so there is a little more of a question regarding a female.

Not a sexist statement but a statement of fact. I would never have done the job as I need my 8 hours sleep nightly. That also is a statement of fact.

 

[wayneL]

I don't agree that it is a definition of prejudice. It is a statement of fact. Why do the men and women have separate competitions at Wimbleton. I suggest that men have more stanima than women. Does she have the stanima for the job. I doubt that half the men would have kept the pace required so there is a little more of a question regarding a female.

Not a sexist statement but a statement of fact. I would never have done the job as I need my 8 hours sleep nightly. That also is a statement of fact.

You are equating politics to a tennis match?

FFS! ROTFLMAO!

Politics is not a physical/athletic endeavour, it is an intellectual endeavour.

I would have backed Thatcher in a 15 round points decision against the blokes at the height of her powers. (Metaphorically speaking you understand )

 

[IFocus]

I'll see your Raventhorpe and Hot Briquettes, and raise you to Insulation Deaths and ETS backflip.
Give me BHP anyday.

BHP have killed more people your right they win

 

[IFocus]

So you don't think the events of the last two days were engineered by the factions and the unions? You don't think Julia Gillard is going to be owing the unions big time after they all swung in behind her and ensured Kevin Rudd was pushed out in the most humiliating way?
Do you think dear Julia just had a sudden epiphany and decided it was up to her to save the nation?

There was a time when Unions had a huge say in Labor but its being down hill since Bob Hawke smashed the pilots union, some unions no longer even donate to Labor.

They still play a part but nothing like the Liberals would have you believe, in this case it was the right wing that started the ball rolling and organized the numbers. The Victorian left where Gillard comes from (unions) pretty much hate each other and were quite late into the fray they certainly did not run the show.

Most RWs conveniently fail to remember that Gillard did not return all the rights back to construction Unions which are an abhorrence in terms of civil rights Julia is hardly a puppet of the unions.

This change is more about Rudds lack of power base in the party rather than unions running the shop.

Its appears at the moment Gillard doesn't have any favors to repay as it was more about dumping Rudd.

If Gillard sat on the front bench of the Liberal party do you think for a second Abbott would be leader?

If Gillard pulls of an agreement with the mining tax Abbott is gone.

 

[springhill]

BHP have killed more people your right they win

Rudd Govt, ONE scheme, 12 months, FOUR deaths.
I would think mining is a far more dangerous operation than installing insulation. Imagine if the Rudd Govt actually ran a mine?

 

[IFocus]

Rudd Govt, ONE scheme, 12 months, FOUR deaths.
I would think mining is a far more dangerous operation than installing insulation. Imagine if the Rudd Govt actually ran a mine?

There is no excuse for being killed at work place, BHP have direct total control over all their operations, insulation was installed by Private contractors who are directly responsible.

There are hazards in mining but nothing like using metal staples on foil insulation.