Schapelle Corby - Innocent or Guilty?

[gordon2007]

We do not know who inserted the drugs in Schapelle Corby's boogie-board bag. We only know that she did not. /QUOTE]

Honourable one, unless you specifically packed her bags and were with her the whole time, you do NOT know this. You cannot. Quite simply, you where NOT there, therefore you cannot know this.

As from your previous comments, you did not even become seriously involved until three years ago.

 

[Agentm]

Indonesia is a signatory to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/
Article 11.

* (1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.

Schapelle was not given all the guarantees necessary for her defence.

She was denied fingerprinting of the plastic bags.

She was denied a weight comparison of her baggage, to determine whether it was 4kg heavier than when checked in.

She was denied forensic testing of the drugs to determine THC content (which would have established the quality of the drugs - bush weed or hydro) and place of origin.

She was denied access to the CCTV footage from the camera above the Customs Counter, which could have corroborated her story about what happened, and what was said, when the boogie-board bag was placed on the counter.

Her own sworn statement, and the testimony of all her witnesses was dismissed.

Not a single Judge in the panel of 3 had ever acquitted a defendant, and Chief Judge Linton Sirait had presided over 500 previous drug related trials.

These are indisputable FACTS!

As such, her trial was a sham, and any verdict coming out of it has no credibility.

She was judged guilty, no one is denying that. We don't like it, but we have to live with it. Schapelle Corby has to live with it. But this does not make it right!

schapelle sure was a sham, i agree with you.. and she sure got a big shock when the australian government legal support team discovered the ambitions of her legal team that she instructed, were planning to bribe the judges.. lol

the support they got in terms of the cash from interviews, channel 9 and sixty minutes ralph magazine and book rights are obviously welcomed..


"Schapelle Corby has been able to keep $270,000 made from the sale of her book, My Story, despite the money being the proceeds of crime."
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Schapelle Corby's former lawyer has described the Corby family as "ungrateful" and "nasty"

"Mick Corby owned the marijuana found in the boogie board bag of his daughter Schapelle, says a convicted drug trafficker."

"Mercedes Corby has joined the ranks of models Miranda Kerr and Jennifer Hawkins in stripping down for the cover of men's magazine Ralph."

"The Seven Network has reached a settlement in the defamation suit brought by Rosleigh Rose, the mother of convicted drug smuggler Schapelle Corby."

"Convicted drug smuggler Schapelle Corby spent several hours yesterday in a Denpasar beauty salon."

FORMER foreign minister Alexander Downer says he asked Schapelle Corby's lawyer whether there might be any family involvement in her drug smuggling attempt into Bali.

In a documentary screened last night, Corby's former lawyer Robin Tampoe said Mr Downer told him he suspected Corby's brothers were behind the crime.

" 'Speak to the brother, speak to the older brother', that's what Downer said to me. 'Look at the brothers.' "


Schapelle Corby's legal team is self-destructing. It is not a pretty sight. The Foreign Minister, Alexander Downer, states the obvious: the unfolding soap opera cannot help. Appropriately, Mr Downer has not publicly commented beyond that, but let us hope he has something more to say behind the scenes. A month ago, after Corby was sentenced in Bali to 20 years in jail, the Federal Government was under intense popular pressure to assist her. Help came in the form of two taxpayer-funded QCs from Perth. Yet one of the QCs, Mark Trowell, immediately made his utter contempt for his Indonesian counterparts clear. He then lobbed a grenade into the middle of the legal huddle, publicly accusing two key members of Corby's Indonesian team of planning to bribe the appeal judges. Unsurprisingly, it has ended in tears.

Why did Mr Trowell, who is apparently well versed in Indonesian law, go public with his bribery claim? Corby's former lead lawyer, Lily Lubis, and case co-ordinator, Vasu Rasiah, vigorously denied the allegations, but were sacked by Corby anyway. Could not Mr Trowell have shut down the alleged bribery option quietly at the same private dinner where he claims it was raised? All he achieved by so publicly damming Corby's Indonesian team was its collapse. The starting point, surely, for any Australian lawyer dealing with the Indonesian legal system is a co-operative relationship with the local legal team. That does not suggest everyone should see eye to eye. But there is a big difference between heated private debate and public mudslinging.

Whether Mr Trowell's help has now been rejected also remains unclear. The high-profile Indonesian lawyer still on Corby's case, Hotman Paris Hutapea, wants him dumped. The flamboyant Mr Hutapea has assured Australians that although he is no stranger to bribery, "for this case I am temporarily clean". That is just as well. Early on, Corby's Indonesian defence team chose to elicit public sympathy in Australia for her plight, turning her into a household name. Australia has admonished Indonesia for decades over judicial corruption, and supports tough drug laws to prevent shipments reaching Australia via Indonesia. There is no suggestion money has changed hands to date. It has to stay that way.

On the fringes, claims about profiteering levelled at Corby's family over media interviews add to the chaos. Even the mobile phone entrepreneur "Mad" Ron Bashir, Corby's early benefactor, has walked away. Those surrounding Corby seem to be far more interested in their positions than her appeal. Corby is not well positioned, from inside her Bali jail cell, to sort out conflicting advice especially now that Mr Trowell has forced out Ms Lubis, the young lawyer who sat beside her throughout her trial. The implied slur to the Indonesian legal profession can only reinforce Indonesian perceptions of Australian arrogance. In the meantime, though, the Federal Government is off the hook. While Corby's team tears itself to pieces, no one is looking critically Canberra's way.

honourable

the statements you make about the indonesian government using schapelle for a political tool is pure fancy.. and imho your views are offensive, i dont recommend you visit the fine country of indonesia any time soon and i guarantee that you would make public statements like that about the judge. your credibility on schapelle is pretty much zero in my books, making up these fanciful and unsubstantiated disparaging remarks about the people involved in the case is pretty poor form. particularly when the alleged innocent side was planning bribery... the allegations you make about the indonesians motives are unproven disparaging fancy..

why support people who are innocent as you claim yet extremely well respected legal representatives from australia involved in her case have claimed bribery against her legal team.. if your innocent then why would you instruct your legal team to attempt to bribe judges?

dont tell me there is yet another conspiracy theory here again? and schapelle has nothing to do with it!!

do you support all the fellow inmates in the same prison on drugs charges who are also claiming innocence? or is schapelle the only person in indonesia wrongly convicted of drug importation or drugs offences?

there are plenty of other people from all around the globe in prison in indonesia for drugs offences, they are all doing it tough..

the journey for schapelle in her sentence will equally be tough

 

[Tink]

"Schapelle Corby has been able to keep $270,000 made from the sale of her book, My Story, despite the money being the proceeds of crime."

Now that annoys me, how was that allowed to happen?

 

[pilots]

Now that annoys me, how was that allowed to happen?

My bet is that money has already been spent by the family

 

[Honourable]

Honourable - We do not know who inserted the drugs in Schapelle Corby's boogie-board bag. We only know that she did not.

Honourable one, unless you specifically packed her bags and were with her the whole time, you do NOT know this. You cannot. Quite simply, you where NOT there, therefore you cannot know this.

No, I was not there. However, Schapelle's 3 travelling companions were. They all testified that there were no drugs in her boogie-board bag when the bag was packed, and that they did not stop anywhere on their way to the airport on the day of travel. I know all 3 people, and travelled to Bali once with one of them.

 

[trainspotter]

No, I was not there. However, Schapelle's 3 travelling companions were. They all testified that there were no drugs in her boogie-board bag when the bag was packed, and that they did not stop anywhere on their way to the airport on the day of travel. I know all 3 people, and travelled to Bali once with one of them.

This would be the one that is now spending time in prison for drug charges? GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY

Ahem ........... I have also travelled fom Australia to Bali many times ... IT IS A NON STOP FLIGHT ... Oh well ......... unless you go via Jakarta ...... which she did not .... Give me the boogie board anytime. Ask your legal team to find the "BAG BOYS" ........ then I might be interested ....... failing that phone this number for the embassy +62818353124 and my driver will take the correct people who will advise you ...... *cough*

 

[Honourable]

schapelle sure was a sham.......

Schapelle Corby's former lawyer has described the Corby family as "ungrateful" and "nasty"

"Mick Corby owned the marijuana found in the boogie board bag of his daughter Schapelle, says a convicted drug trafficker."

"Mercedes Corby has joined the ranks of models Miranda Kerr and Jennifer Hawkins in stripping down for the cover of men's magazine Ralph."

"The Seven Network has reached a settlement in the defamation suit brought by Rosleigh Rose, the mother of convicted drug smuggler Schapelle Corby."

"Convicted drug smuggler Schapelle Corby spent several hours yesterday in a Denpasar beauty salon."

FORMER foreign minister Alexander Downer says he asked Schapelle Corby's lawyer whether there might be any family involvement in her drug smuggling attempt into Bali.

In a documentary screened last night, Corby's former lawyer Robin Tampoe said Mr Downer told him he suspected Corby's brothers were behind the crime.

" 'Speak to the brother, speak to the older brother', that's what Downer said to me. 'Look at the brothers.' "

A month ago, after Corby was sentenced in Bali to 20 years in jail, the Federal Government was under intense popular pressure to assist her. Help came in the form of two taxpayer-funded QCs from Perth. Yet one of the QCs, Mark Trowell, immediately made his utter contempt for his Indonesian counterparts clear. He then lobbed a grenade into the middle of the legal huddle, publicly accusing two key members of Corby's Indonesian team of planning to bribe the appeal judges.

honourable

the statements you make about the indonesian government using schapelle for a political tool is pure fancy.. and imho your views are offensive, i dont recommend you visit the fine country of indonesia any time soon.......

your credibility on schapelle is pretty much zero in my books, making up these fanciful and unsubstantiated disparaging remarks about the people involved in the case is pretty poor form.

dont tell me there is yet another conspiracy theory here again? and schapelle has nothing to do with it!!

Agentm, when I quote someone else's post, I address the comments made in their post.

You quoted my post, then completely went off on a different tangent. I fail to see how anything you said relates to the fact that Schapelle did not get a fair trial.

This motley collection of snippets from the media smear/misinformation campaign is just a smoke screen to cover for the fact that you really have no response to my post because, if you are being honest with yourself, it is obvious from what I said that Schapelle did NOT get a fair trial, which she should have done, considering the sentence she was ultimately given.

As to your collection of snippets, I have seen them all before, and many more. I could explain them all away, but why bother? You probably wont believe me anyway. I will address a few:

Schapelle Corby's former lawyer has described the Corby family as "ungrateful" and "nasty" - Mercedes Corby saved his life once, so I think he is the ungrateful one.

"Mick Corby owned the marijuana found in the boogie board bag of his daughter Schapelle, says a convicted drug trafficker." - This claim has been totally debunked by the South Australian Police.
http://saveschapellecorby.bigblog.com.au/post.do?id=410447

"Convicted drug smuggler Schapelle Corby spent several hours yesterday in a Denpasar beauty salon." - When Schapelle was first hospitalised in June 2008 suffering from stress induced starvation, she was permitted to visit a beauty salon on the ground floor of the hospital. This session in the beauty salon was supposed to boost her morale, and was part of her treatment.

" 'Speak to the brother, speak to the older brother', that's what Downer said to me. 'Look at the brothers.' " - Since no investigation of this crime has ever taken place in Australia, Downer would have no reason to say this, other than the fact that he too has played his part in the smear campaign to demonise the Corby family and kill support for them amongst Australians.

As to the rest, regarding Mark Trowell, who publicly accused a member of Schapelle's legal team, Vasu Rasiah, of seeking $500,000 of government money to bribe judges in the case during the course of her first appeal, his comments were made deliberately in order to derail the appeal, which they did. Schapelle was not involved and did not instruct Vasu Rasiah to seek this money. Of course, you wont believe this, but its true.

Regarding your indignation over my remarks about the Indonesian Police using Schapelle for political gain, I think you need a reality check. Whether Schapelle was the innocent victim of a corrupt baggage handling syndicate in Australia, or the innocent victim of a corrupt police force in Bali, we do not know. I have already stated that these notions are speculative, however, one or the other is likely to be the truth. Either way, I have no doubt that the Balinese Police, hungry for UN "War on Drugs" funding, seized upon this case and made maximum political mileage from it. I am far from the only one who thinks this as well.
Lets not forget where Indonesia ranks in the list of most corrupt countries in the World, quite high up the list - 111
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2009/nov/17/corruption-index-transparency-international

Finally, I have been to Bali a few times, and I got in and out without any problem. I think its a great place.

As to your opinion about my credibility on Schapelle, frankly, I'm not bothered. I am very close to her, and her family, and I know she is innocent. If you choose not to believe this, that is your right, however, some things are true whether you believe them or not.

 

[Honourable]

This would be the one that is now spending time in prison for drug charges? GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY

I said I travelled to Bali once with one of Schapelle's travelling companions, not Schapelle!!!!

Furthermore, you could write the word GUILTY 5 million times and it would not change the fact that Schapelle is INNOCENT!!!!

 

[Tink]

Honourable, her lawyer already admitted that he made up the story regarding the baggage handlers.

You are grasping at straws.

 

[pilots]

Honorable, sorry to have to tell you this but when you say you have known the Corby's for years and they are a good family, you lose all creditability with me. No matter how much you post here you are NEVER going to get that convicted drug mule out of that jail.

 

[Honourable]

Now that annoys me, how was that allowed to happen?

This annoys you and yet, the fact that an innocent Australian woman is suffering in a hellhole prison for a crime she did not commit, does not?

This annoys you and yet, the fact that the Australian government sold her human rights down the drain, to cover up for airport insecurity in Australia, to cover up for corruption within the Australian Federal Police, and to appease Indonesia, does not?

The book in question - "Schapelle Corby - My Story" is copyrighted to Mercedes Corby and Kathryn Bonella. Neither woman has been convicted of a crime, yet Kathryn Bonella has received all her royalties from the book and Mercedes Corby has had some of hers confiscated. She would have had all her royalties confiscated but for the fact that some were banked in Indonesia before the confiscation order came into effect. Perhaps you would like to explain how this is fair and lawful??

Lets not overlook the main stream media who have made millions reporting lies, innuendo and misinformation in relation to this case. They are guilty of serious breaches of the journalistic code of ethics, yet none of their profits have been confiscated. Does this not annoy you? It certainly annoys me.
http://www.journoz.com/schapellecorby/2009/02/schapelle-corby-project.html

 

[Honourable]

Honourable, her lawyer already admitted that he made up the story regarding the baggage handlers.

You are grasping at straws.

Yes, he did, in the show, "Schapelle Corby - The Hidden Truth" aired on Channel 9 in June 2008.

By then he was a disgruntled ex-lawyer, he wanted to damage the Corby's, so he lied his butt off.

And guess what, the whole of Australia bought it. My God, what a gullible lot you are!!

 

[Honourable]

Honorable, sorry to have to tell you this but when you say you have known the Corby's for years and they are a good family, you lose all creditability with me. No matter how much you post here you are NEVER going to get that convicted drug mule out of that jail.

If you think I am posting here in the hope of freeing Schapelle, you are seriously mistaken. My campaign for Schapelle's freedom is being conducted well away from this forum. I saw this thread, it came up during one of my Google searches, and I saw a whole bunch of people with mistaken ideas about her guilt.
I thought I might be able to provide some enlightenment, but I don't appear to be getting very far. Unfortunately, most of the people here have been so seriously blinded to the truth, by the media smear/misinformation campaign, that they are beyond help.

Not only this, most want to believe that Schapelle is just a guilty drug smuggler who got caught, tried and convicted.
This is far more palatable than Schapelle, innocent victim of a corrupt baggage handling syndicate, or, Schapelle, innocent victim of a corrupt Balinese Police force. Schapelle, sold down the drain by her government for political expediency.

To believe the latter requires compassion, concern, outrage, action, and all these things take time and energy. Its far easier to believe the former, safe and simple, case closed! Phew! Now love, what's for dinner? When does the footy start?

If I lose credibility because I know the Corby family, well, that's just too bad. It just goes to show that you certainly don't know them, do you!!

 

[Honourable]

My bet is that money has already been spent by the family

Yes, it probably has, on lawyers, doctors, hospitalisation, medication, and a whole range of other things related to supporting Schapelle during the course of her imprisonment, for a crime she did not commit. Some will also have been spent on airfares to and from Bali for her mother, so she can provide some comfort to Schapelle during her darkest hours.

Oh, and please, do not bring up dental work, breast implants or any other garbage that you have been fed by the media. Give it a rest, just this once.

 

[Tink]

Oh, and please, do not bring up dental work, breast implants or any other garbage that you have been fed by the media. Give it a rest, just this once.

No, no rest. Are you going to deny that they did all these things since Schapelle has been in prison?

Seems the family has been profitting from this new found coverage.

No, not gullible, already said I thought she was guilty through her interviews.

Maybe you should give it a rest, its now going round in circles.

 

[nulla nulla]

Furthermore, you could write the word GUILTY 5 million times and it would not change the fact that Schapelle is INNOCENT!!!!

Similarly, you could write the word "Innocent" 5 million times and it would not change the fact that Schapelle Corby has been apprehended, tried, found "GUILTY" and sentenced.

 

[pilots]

If you think I am posting here in the hope of freeing Schapelle, you are seriously mistaken. My campaign for Schapelle's freedom is being conducted well away from this forum. I saw this thread, it came up during one of my Google searches, and I saw a whole bunch of people with mistaken ideas about her guilt.
I thought I might be able to provide some enlightenment, but I don't appear to be getting very far. Unfortunately, most of the people here have been so seriously blinded to the truth, by the media smear/misinformation campaign, that they are beyond help.

Not only this, most want to believe that Schapelle is just a guilty drug smuggler who got caught, tried and convicted.
This is far more palatable than Schapelle, innocent victim of a corrupt baggage handling syndicate, or, Schapelle, innocent victim of a corrupt Balinese Police force. Schapelle, sold down the drain by her government for political expediency.

To believe the latter requires compassion, concern, outrage, action, and all these things take time and energy. Its far easier to believe the former, safe and simple, case closed! Phew! Now love, what's for dinner? When does the footy start?

If I lose credibility because I know the Corby family, well, that's just too bad. It just goes to show that you certainly don't know them, do you!!

No I don't know them, and I never want to know them, I would not want to know any family that has been busted that many times. I don't know ANYONE who has been busted, or anyone who has been to jail. Sorry mate she got caught with the goods. GUILTY 100%.

 

[moXJO]

A polygraph test? Sounds like a great idea, however, all the while Schapelle remains in Kerobokan Prison this will never be allowed to happen. The prison authorities would never sanction such a thing.

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"Convicted drug smuggler Schapelle Corby spent several hours yesterday in a Denpasar beauty salon." - When Schapelle was first hospitalised in June 2008 suffering from stress induced starvation, she was permitted to visit a beauty salon on the ground floor of the hospital. This session in the beauty salon was supposed to boost her morale, and was part of her treatment.

Add to that the visit by the Aussie psychiatrist and I would say it had a slim chance. If anything I would have thought this idea would have been pushed more to get the truth out. All we have at the moment is she said, he said.
The only way this argument is going anywhere, is by you discrediting the other people involved (lawyers, police, etc). That’s a hard argument to win over on considering she is already in prison. Out of sight out of mind, and little in the way to get the public really questioning her guilt.

Unless something new comes out she will be rotting in there another couple of years yet. Either evidence or truth to win the hearts and minds, claiming break down or insanity will do little. Corby fans trying to chip away as you all are at the moment will take another 15 years to achieve anything. You need something bigger to get the ball rolling.
One question, why didn't the defense get the bags check in weight even if it was not used in court?

 

[trainspotter]

I said I travelled to Bali once with one of Schapelle's travelling companions, not Schapelle!!!!

Furthermore, you could write the word GUILTY 5 million times and it would not change the fact that Schapelle is INNOCENT!!!!

GUILTY ....... you still haven't answered my question as to why the BAG BOYS did not carry the luggage? Did they know what was inside? You say you have been to Bali once. Once is enough to realise the amount of checkpoints/security/immigration/screening/baggage handlers/x-ray machine before you even get near the exit of the Denpasar Airport. GUILTY.

Your "opinion" is that she is innocent. The courts have proved otherwise.

 

[pilots]

Trainspotter, what I find strange is that two weeks a go some Australians took boards in to Bali, and no one looked at them, why did they look at the Corby's, DID THEY KNOW IT WAS COMING, I think so.