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Atlas79 said:
Mate, "tragi-comic" is the kind of word someone uses when they're straining to sound intellectual. Give that a rest.

As for Hitler:

National Socialist Workers Party.

He was a socialist. Socialists are leftists. Hitler's policies were often identical to Stalin.

A video you badly need to watch but won't:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psp8gJxxfdQ

Most relevant parts start at 2 mins 30. No one who watches this will think Hitler was on the right any more & we can put that to bed.



Sorry to offend the "stay on topic" nazis. (How about that, a conversation which meanders onto other related things! Boo hiss.)
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Has nothing to do with the current ills highlighted at the moment with the Catholic Church or Dawkins and the contemplated arrest of the Pope.

And as for belief it is just that, and no amount of asserted belief, or scripture, or word meanings going back to Latin can change that, or make a fact.

Show me the true stories, not fairy tales.
 
Fishbulb said:
I thought you could read - Faith is the confident belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of a person, concept or thing.[1][2] The English word is thought to date from 1200–50, from the Latin fidem or fidēs, meaning trust, derived from the verb fīdere, to trust.

Atheism is a "thing" Get that? Or perhaps you're a little too dim. But keep trying anyway.
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I think it is obvious who the dim ones are in this debate. Your concept that you have to have faith in order to have no faith is ridiculous. You should stay out of debates where you are so completely outclassed. You're a pushover.
 
Fishbulb said:
I thought you could read - Faith is the confident belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of a person, concept or thing.[1][2] The English word is thought to date from 1200–50, from the Latin fidem or fidēs, meaning trust, derived from the verb fīdere, to trust.

Atheism is a "thing" Get that? Or perhaps you're a little too dim. But keep trying anyway.
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Atheism is not a thing it is a state of mind or mindset.

And faith and belief are one and the same, in having faith one believes however none of this can make the next step which is to know.

As an atheist I will believe in what I know, if God was to appear in person and for example, part the sea, then I would believe in him because I now know.

However this is way off the topic and I think that may be the idea of some posters so that we will not continue to question the ethics of the Papacy
 
Atlas79 said:
I don't object to atheism. I object to militant atheism.

As for not answering your questions, people aren't doing me the courtesy of answering my questions or my points, other than to deliberately distort them. So why should I bend over backwards and play nice for you guys?
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So i was wondering if i was the only person who thought the term "militant Atheism" was a little over the top and silly...turns out im not alone in thinking its a little made up and irrelevant....Google search results below.:rolleyes:


Results 1 - 10 of about 101,000 for militant Atheism
Results 1 - 10 of about 217,000 for militant Hinduism
Results 1 - 10 of about 996,000 for militant Islam
Results 1 - 10 of about 2,600,000 for militant Christianity
 
Typically, certain people - let's call them "atheists" - will not concede a glaringly obvious point, well made and made very clearly. You have been spanked

Anyway, back to the OP kids
 
Calliope said:
I think it is obvious who the dim ones are in this debate. Your concept that you have to have faith in order to have no faith is ridiculous. You should stay out of debates where you are so completely outclassed. You're a pushover.
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Oh please

Who are you again? Doesn't matter, but try to keep up.
 
So_Cynical said:
So i was wondering if i was the only person who thought the term "militant Atheism" was a little over the top and silly...turns out im not alone in thinking its a little made up and irrelevant....Google search results below.:rolleyes:


Results 1 - 10 of about 101,000 for militant Atheism
Results 1 - 10 of about 217,000 for militant Hinduism
Results 1 - 10 of about 996,000 for militant Islam
Results 1 - 10 of about 2,600,000 for militant Christianity
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And this proves what exactly?
 
explod said:
However this is way off the topic and I think that may be the idea of some posters so that we will not continue to question the ethics of the Papacy
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Yep! I think that is the plan Explod. So brainwashed are they that they can't conceive of their infallible pope doing something wrong, so they throw all these red herrings about to deflect us on to a different course.
 
Ruby said:
Yep! I think that is the plan Explod. So brainwashed are they that they can't conceive of their infallible pope doing something wrong, so they throw all these red herrings about to deflect us on to a different course.
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Yes the three Papal apologists, Atlas, Fishbulb and Tink have done everything they can to try to derail this debate. No doubt they feel very protective about their religion. But this thread is not about religion or Catholics or faith or Atheism.

It is about whether the Pope should be taught a salutary lesson over his apparent condoning of his pederast priests nasty behaviour. I am sure the majority of decent priests would like to get rid of this pall hanging over their heads. The ball is in the Pope's court. If he wanted to he could fix the mess immediately.
 
Atlas79 said:
And this proves what exactly?
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If nothing else it proves that militant Christianity is about 2600 times the issue that militant atheism is...and that militant Christianity is about 2600 times as written about, worried about, and thought about.

Amazing even compared to Islam, with militant Christianity getting more than twice as many page hits..after 9/11 Osama and 2 wars, all in the internet age and yet there's more than twice as much material available on the net about militant Christianity than there is about militant Islam.
 
Calliope said:
Yes the three Papal apologists, Atlas, Fishbulb and Tink have done everything they can to try to derail this debate. No doubt they feel very protective about their religion. But this thread is not about religion or Catholics or faith or Atheism.

It is about whether the Pope should be taught a salutary lesson over his apparent condoning of his pederast priests nasty behaviour. I am sure the majority of decent priests would like to get rid of this pall hanging over their heads. The ball is in the Pope's court. If he wanted to he could fix the mess immediately.
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Agnostic here, stated earlier I'm not christian but enjoy the benefits of a society founded on judeo-christian ethics. Shows how closely you guys read the posts of dissenting opinions, eh?


So_Cynical said:
If nothing else it proves that militant Christianity is about 2600 times the issue that militant atheism is...and that militant Christianity is about 2600 times as written about, worried about, and thought about.

Amazing even compared to Islam, with militant Christianity getting more than twice as many page hits..after 9/11 Osama and 2 wars, all in the internet age and yet there's more than twice as much material available on the net about militant Christianity than there is about militant Islam.
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Hold on a minute, how's it prove that?!?

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,600,000 for stephen Hawking

Results 1 - 10 of about 47,900,000 for Britney Spears
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You religious fanatics are hillarious, just wish you weren't so aggressive in attacking other faiths :)
 
This thread has devolved into timewasting. Tink and Fishbulb are clearly just baiting with their meaningless one or two liners, they probably don't even believe their side of the argument, and just enjoy winding people up. As for Atlas - it's clear he isn't going change his views no matter how much logic or evidence is piled up against them.

I think explod, So_Cynical, Calliope and others should feel good that they've made their points so well and thoroughly, and move onto other threads. No one is going to read this thread and be convinced by Atlas, Tink etc. unless they're already a member of the crazy camp.

It's ok to let the other side have the last word - if that word is meaningless piffle.
 
weird terminology,

militant Christianity

I thought that **** was over with the crusades, and Ireland, which from history shows it was a country and class war, as opposed to religion.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_the_conflict_between_the_Catholics_and_Protestants_in_Ireland

I clicked on a few threads in google ... seems like an attention seeking headline for some non-Catholic churches.

Unless it is a cult, I don't think you will find too many army training extreme Christians, with a terrorist bible in the backpack.

I think everyone will agree that crimes against children is terrible, and the Catholic church has handled it well in some situations and also badly (which is the reason for this thread).

Not a defense, but it is a massive ship, and if you read the article I posted before, it should shed at least some more light on not only the Catholic Church, but overall society in general, in regards to this problem.

People love blaming religion for 'wars', lets replace the word 'war' with colonialism.

This has nothing to do with the original intention of this thread, but how it has digressed, and certainly nothing to do with religion, but has something to do with word 'militant' anyone want to explain why these countries did this ?

http://www.harpercollege.edu/mhealy/g101ilec/seasia/seh/sehcol/sehcolfr.htm

We could also add virgin America and Africa to this.
 
Atlas79 said:
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,600,000 for stephen Hawking

Results 1 - 10 of about 47,900,000 for Britney Spears
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:dunno: Lets see, Steven hawking, super smart but not exactly good to look at, not a self promoter or a multi million dollar industry.

Britney, good to look at, infamous, dumb, a self promoter and a multi million dollar money spinner with dozens of photos on the net exposing her privates during her break down.

Not quite in the same league as the subject at hand...lets try that and see what we get.

Results 1 - 10 of about 61,700 for sexual abuse Richard Dawkins
Results 1 - 10 of about 252,000 for sexual abuse atheists
Results 1 - 10 of about 2,180,000 for sexual abuse priests
Results 1 - 10 of about 3,020,000 for sexual abuse catholic church
Results 1 - 10 of about 4,680,000 for sexual abuse church
 
A lot of girls say pink or purple is their fav. colour, and they are 50% odd of population, but google disagrees,


*Results 1 - 10 of about 1,240,000,000 for black [definition]. (0.26 seconds)*
*Results 1 - 10 of about 1,060,000,000 for white [definition]. (0.41 seconds)*
*Results 1 - 10 of about 337,000,000 for yellow [definition]. (0.13 seconds)*
*Results 1 - 10 of about 149,000,000 for purple [definition]. (0.24 seconds)*
*Results 1 - 10 of about 299,000,000 for pink [definition]. (0.18 seconds)*
*Results 1 - 10 of about 1,050,000,000 for red [definition]. (0.47 seconds)
*Results 1 - 10 of about 818,000,000 for blue [definition]. (0.41 seconds)*
 
Atlas79 said:
As for the molestation nonsense:

The priesthood is being cast as the refuge of pederasts.
In fact, priests seem to abuse children at the same rate as everyone else.[/SIZE]
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Maybe so, maybe not.

The point is that in general society, people who sexually abuse children are hunted down and put in prison wherever possible, and when eventually released from prison, are reviled and rejected by society to the extent of even being run out of town in some cases. (e.g. QLD paedophile Dennis Ferguson)

By comparison, the Catholic Church has taken a much different attitude towards paedophile priests. Rather the turning them over to the law for punishment, the Catholic church has harboured and protected them, and allowed them to continue in positions that facilitate them committing further sexual atrocities against children.

Indeed, the highest authority in the Catholic church, none other than the revered pope himself, is one of those who have protected paedophile priests and attempted to cover up their crimes. Worse still, he allowed them to commit further such crimes.
For that, there is no excuse, and the pope must be held accountable for his actions under the same laws of society that the rest of us have to live by.
 
So_Cynical said:
:dunno: Lets see, Steven hawking, super smart but not exactly good to look at, not a self promoter or a multi million dollar industry.

Britney, good to look at, infamous, dumb, a self promoter and a multi million dollar money spinner with dozens of photos on the net exposing her privates during her break down.

Not quite in the same league as the subject at hand...lets try that and see what we get.

Results 1 - 10 of about 61,700 for sexual abuse Richard Dawkins
Results 1 - 10 of about 252,000 for sexual abuse atheists
Results 1 - 10 of about 2,180,000 for sexual abuse priests
Results 1 - 10 of about 3,020,000 for sexual abuse catholic church
Results 1 - 10 of about 4,680,000 for sexual abuse church
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Mate I'm amazed at your earlier example & the ability to discern from a google page count the contents & implications of millions of websites. Some supercomputer of a mind you've got there.

Holy smokes, you guys are bonkers. No kidding. Before this began I was being tongue in cheek calling you fanatics and all that. Less so the longer this goes.
 
Ozymandias said:
This thread has devolved into timewasting. Tink and Fishbulb are clearly just baiting with their meaningless one or two liners, they probably don't even believe their side of the argument, and just enjoy winding people up. As for Atlas - it's clear he isn't going change his views no matter how much logic or evidence is piled up against them.

I think explod, So_Cynical, Calliope and others should feel good that they've made their points so well and thoroughly, and move onto other threads. No one is going to read this thread and be convinced by Atlas, Tink etc. unless they're already a member of the crazy camp.

It's ok to let the other side have the last word - if that word is meaningless piffle.
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Roffles! Wow...

So you came to convert me and others to your faith, eh? What about live & let live, O tolerant atheists? You guys object to the term "militant", right?
 
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