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http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/6994194/woman-to-get-money-back-from-40k-scam/

Makes our courts look like kindergartens. I see in Qld an 18 year old who viciously bashed a 86 year old pensioner for $20, leaving the pensioner with broken ribs and a broken jaw has been sentenced to 18 months jail with parole recommended after 10 months.
These violent cowards here should be given a bit of the same medicine the Nigerian courts dished out.
 
banska bystrica said:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/6994194/woman-to-get-money-back-from-40k-scam/

Makes our courts look like kindergartens. I see in Qld an 18 year old who viciously bashed a 86 year old pensioner for $20, leaving the pensioner with broken ribs and a broken jaw has been sentenced to 18 months jail with parole recommended after 10 months.
These violent cowards here should be given a bit of the same medicine the Nigerian courts dished out.
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Australian judges repeatedly prove to be incompetent in deciding what punishment to give violent offenders. That judge should be thrown in jail himself for going so easy on that vicious teenager who bashed the 86 year old.

I'd like to see juries deciding what punishment to dish out. If they're considered competent to decide whether a defendant is guilty or innocent, then surely they are also capable of deciding on a suitable punishment to fit the crime. I'm sure they'd do a far better job than judges.
 
bunyip said:
Australian judges repeatedly prove to be incompetent in deciding what punishment to give violent offenders. That judge should be thrown in jail himself for going so easy on that vicious teenager who bashed the 86 year old.

I'd like to see juries deciding what punishment to dish out. If they're considered competent to decide whether a defendant is guilty or innocent, then surely they are also capable of deciding on a suitable punishment to fit the crime. I'm sure they'd do a far better job than judges.
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The problem is, if you stick someone in prison it costs the taxpayer a lot of money (if we were magically able to catch all the criminals we wouldn't come close to having the resources to imprison them all). Additionally, if you stick someone in prison (crime school) then let them out, they have a criminal record and a history of prison life. This often turns someone into a career criminal, because they can't get back into a normal, straight life, and have been around criminals in crime school/prison learning how to commit crimes.

Fines often don't work either. Fine a drug dealer or thief and where do you think they will be getting the money to pay that fine?

I think capital punishment definitely has a place, and penalties should be more along the lines of community work (lots of it) rather than imprisonment.
 
It is true that it cost a lot of money to keep someone in jail. Why don't we or why can't we send them out to work to help pay for part of the costs.

Like what we see in comics about criminals wearing a ball & chain and breaking stones for our roads or breaking down big boulders for our mines.

Of course they will get paid a fair wage and part of that goes towards their upkeep and part into their savings account so they will have some money when they are released instead of putting them straight onto welfare.

Further, we are also paying for their dependents while they are behind bars. Who say crime doesn't pay.
 
Did some renovations on one of my sisters rental properties in Tasmania at her request. It was actually a `working holiday` and chose to take vehicle + all tools down there from the here on the Central Coast NSW.

2 weeks into the job, said tenants were served an eviction notice because of the noncompliance to let the work be done, all done through a R.E agent may I add.

So back home for 6 weeks so the eviction process could take it`s course.

In the meantime an AVO. had to be taken out against one tenant.

Back to Tas to finish the work and a few days later end up in hospital, with a broken nose, severe bruising and vision probs, from an assault by the other tenant. Couldn`t eat for a week.

Trespass wasn`t an issue and consequentlty, having gone to court the fellow got off on a $400 fine. His word against mine. No witnesses.

Go figure.
 
Buckfont said:
Back to Tas to finish the work and a few days later end up in hospital, with a broken nose, severe bruising and vision probs, from an assault by the other tenant. Couldn`t eat for a week.

Trespass wasn`t an issue and consequentlty, having gone to court the fellow got off on a $400 fine. His word against mine. No witnesses.

Go figure.
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Sorry to hear of your personal situation, your story exposes the injustice there is out there.
 
That's pretty nasty, Buckfont, but even a perfect legal system requires evidence beyond one person making an accusation. It's horrible injustice, but I don't think it highlights a problem with the system. Maybe something bad will happen to him with no more evidence than his word. Let's hope!
 
Guys ,guys ,guys!

There is already a thread for discussion of this issue.Don't know how to post the link,but it is titled "Sentencing in Australia is a Disgrace" or some such ,by Mr Burns.

Please save the mods and Joe from amalgamating threads..they have better things to do..like stopping rampers and tidying up the place.....

Use the search features provided..Seek and ye shall find (I say this as one who has, himself ,transgressed) :)
 
Boyou said:
Guys ,guys ,guys!

There is already a thread for discussion of this issue.Don't know how to post the link,but it is titled "Sentencing in Australia is a Disgrace" or some such ,by Mr Burns.

Please save the mods and Joe from amalgamating threads..they have better things to do..like stopping rampers and tidying up the place.....

Use the search features provided..Seek and ye shall find (I say this as one who has, himself ,transgressed) :)
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Fair enough Boyou and if anyone can direct me as to transfer my post#6 on this thread to the `Sentencing in Aust is a disgrace`. Pls let me know.

Sometimes it takes a lot of time to filter all threads and often many a post on one thread has as much validation as a post on another thread, in this case a matter of the inequitableness of the of the law to punish or not.

To me its a fine line and the post here was to point out that my comments as I can see are valid to the the thread.

It`s nothing to do with my head being beaten in here. It`s to do with justice and the processes that were put into place before the fact.

I see no difference between the two threads

Thanx AQR and Sadjii. When you`re 59 you deal with all that s.....t
 
vincent191 said:
Why don't we or why can't we send them out to work to help pay for part of the costs.
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In some countries you get locked up just for doing your job. :eek:

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/03/28/world/AP-AS-China-Missing-Lawyer.html

Missing Lawyer Says He Is in Northern China
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: March 28, 2010

Ng Han Guan/Associated Press

BEIJING (AP) -- A dissident Chinese lawyer who was missing for more than a year suddenly resurfaced Sunday, saying he is now living in northern China and wants only to spend time with his family away from media attention.

Twitter messages appeared Sunday saying Gao Zhisheng's family had been in touch with him and listed his phone number. It was the first contact that friends, family and reporters have had with Gao since he went missing on Feb. 4, 2009, from his hometown in central China.

Before being jailed and otherwise muzzled four years ago, Gao was the most dauntless of a new group of civil liberties lawyers. He took on sensitive cases involving underground Christians and the banned Falun Gong spiritual group and was also an advocate of constitutional reform.

The United States and the European Union had called on China to investigate his disappearance.

Chinese authorities gave vague explanations about Gao's whereabouts, heightening worries that he had been jailed or tortured as he was previously.
 
Sdajii said:
That's pretty nasty, Buckfont, but even a perfect legal system requires evidence beyond one person making an accusation. It's horrible injustice, but I don't think it highlights a problem with the system. Maybe something bad will happen to him with no more evidence than his word. Let's hope!
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I tried Boyou's suggestions of going to that other thread 'Sentencing in Australia Is A Disgrace'.
But when I typed that title into the search box, I kept getting the following message....The search term you specified (in) is under the minimum word length (3) and therefore will not be found. Please make this term longer.

So it looks like I'll just have to make my post here instead.

Sdajii is right - even a perfect legal system requires evidence beyond one person making an accusation.

However, these days there are many cases where a violent criminals get off scot free even when there's irrefutable evidence of their crime.

Two recent examples.....

1. Three young Sudanese blokes in their early twenties were up to no good at a football club in Brisbane. I've forgotten what they were doing - I have some vague recollection of something to do with a flexi teller machine.
Anyway, two off duty policeman went out to see what they were up to, and were violently set upon and so badly assaulted that they ended up in hospital with horrific injuries.
This was all caught on security camera. But guess what - some low life lawyer got them off scot free - no punishment at all - absolutely none.

2. Two young policemen in one of the southern states were called to sort out a man and his two sons who were drunk and disorderly outside a pub.
The drunks became violent when the police asked them to move on.
A violent scuffle ensued, and one of the offenders launched himself in a flying charge from behind one of the police, head-butted him in the back of the head, and left him brain damaged.
This particular case was featured in 'Australian Story' on TV recently.

The entire incident was filmed on security camera, with the footage being shown on Australian Story.

The offender got off scot free, as did his father and brother. They didn't even get a fine.
Meantime, the young policeman has been left with permanent brain damage.

This sort of thing sickens me. It makes me so angry when irrefutable evidence is ignored and violent criminals receive no punishment at all.
It disgusts me that any lawyer, being fully aware of the video footage that proves the guilt of the offender, could be such a low life as to take on his case and do everything possible to get him acquitted.

I have nothing but contempt for lawyers who stoop to such depths.
 
bunyip said:
I have nothing but contempt for lawyers who stoop to such depths.
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I agree. Where there is no question of guilt in a violent crime, a lawyer who defends someone is about as guilty as his client. Negotiating for a fair sentence, sure, but trying to prove a clearly man innocent is disgusting, as is the system which allows him to be successful.

I'd be a bit worried if I had assaulted a police officer, left him brain damaged and got off though. I'd be expecting some of his mates to be giving me a bit of trouble not too far down the track.
 
bunyip said:
I have nothing but contempt for lawyers who stoop to such depths.
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I have much much more contempt for country's with totalitarian regimes who throw people in places like "black prisons" in China, re-education camps or neo-gulags without trial and/or lawyers.

If you want to live in a country that denies legal representation to people then I suggest you move to China Bunyip. Hopefully then you'll wake up and realise what a great country Australia is and the fact that we do have a justice system that is transparent and while not perfect tries it best to uphold the rights of everyone. Or we could act like a bunch of totalitarian dictators and be the laughing stock of the world.

The fact that legal representation is guaranteed to offenders in Australia is an essential part of the democratic system. If you want justice to be served, then people need to go trial. It's as simple as that. If you don't like it then find another place to live. :mad:
 
Mofra said:
As opposed to Australia, where gang rape is not seen as serious as the father punching one of the rapists:

http://www.news.com.au/national/fat...unching-attacker/story-e6frfkvr-1225847716849
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The Prosecutor negotiated a controversial plea deal that reduced the charges from rape to aggravated indecent assault.

To reduce the charges from rape to 'aggravated indecent assault' is criminal in itself. This is from the CDPP website:

The CDPP’s purpose is to provide an ethical, high quality and independent prosecution service for Australia in accordance with the Prosecution Policy of the Commonwealth.
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Reducing the charge is not ethical or high quality in anyones books. They also talked the victim into changing her statement, obviously so they could proceed with the lesser charge.

What the hell is going on with this country?
 
Dunger said:
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What the hell is going on with this country?
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Makes me wander too.
Hope that before my days are over we will have bigger push for punishment.

Maybe we could look at forced and irreversible sterilisation of rapists too.
 

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