Conspiracy Theorists - What are you doing about it?

[derty]

anyone got the lowdown on what happened re that building that collapsed near the Trade Centre, Building No7, I think it was called in the doco I saw?

no viable explanation that I have seen as to why it collapsed

Something definitely fishy happened there.

 

[Judd]

awg

anyone got the lowdown on what happened re that building that collapsed near the Trade Centre, Building No7, I think it was called in the doco I saw?

no viable explanation that I have seen as to why it collapsed

Here are some views on that aspect and others. Makes for interesting reading.

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...mments/the_nist_the_real_9_11_truth_movement/

 

[Krusty the Klown]

And then what? What are you honestly going to do about it if there is a catastrophic event?

AI, if you truly believe we are in for something 2012 have you quit your job? Travelled? Tried to score with as many chicks as possible?

A doco called Zeitgeist explained that in 2012 (the end of the Mayan Calendar, the end the world) is that according to astrology, it is the end of the age of Pisces (the fish) and the beginning of the age of Aquarius.

These ages or eons last for 2000 years, the last one started around the birth of Jesus - hence the fish (Pisces) symbol adopted by some Christians and the miracle of the fish. The age before that was the age of Taurus (the Bull) and bulls were supposedly the false idols of the old testament.

It seems a case of Occams' razor, the simplest solution is usually right.

The end of the world was supposed to be 01/01/2000 too wasn't it??? Has it happened already?? I never noticed!!

 

[awg]

As this is a Conspiracy thread,

anyone got the lowdown on what happened re that building that collapsed near the Trade Centre, Building No7, I think it was called in the doco I saw?

no viable explanation that I have seen as to why it collapsed

Here are some views on that aspect and others. Makes for interesting reading.

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...mments/the_nist_the_real_9_11_truth_movement/

Read a synopsis of the preliminary report, and I am now satisfied there is a viable engineering based explanation for the collapse of No7

 

[prawn_86]

Still no one has answered my questions.

Obviously those that believe these theories dont have enough conviction to back them, otherwise they would be off travelling etc.

 

[Krusty the Klown]

Still no one has answered my questions.

Obviously those that believe these theories dont have enough conviction to back them, otherwise they would be off travelling etc.

Believers can't come out in public and say they are doing something about it, didn't you know that???

Every time they do go public they suddenly develop brake failure in their car or develop an urge to go handgliding without the handglider remember???

Or is that just another conspiracy theory??

 

[Happy]

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The end of the world was supposed to be 01/01/2000 too wasn't it??? Has it happened already?? I never noticed!!

What if their callendar was "crook"
(China's New Year doesn't fit well to ours for example)

 

[Krusty the Klown]

What if their callendar was "crook"
(China's New Year doesn't fit well to ours for example)

I read an astronomer's criticism of astrology - that because the Milky Way is rotating the relative positions of the stars that make up the Zodiac have changed since 2500 years ago, so you could be right!!!

 

[Krusty the Klown]

I actually find these conspiracy theories quite interesting and intriguing, but to take it serously you must have evidence. In regard to chemtrails and manufactured swine flu I haven't seen any, I don't think anybody actually has any so it's just speculation.

Most theories you can't do much about anyway, like UFO's or 911. If you even think about finding about who really pulled off 911, remember they didn't have any problem icing 3000 people, they won't miss a 2-bit Klown like me.

The funny thing I find is that the skeptic websites and books are based on evidence and logic that is just as flimsy as a lot of believers, and they only seem to comment on the cases they can explain. If they can't explain a phenomenon, they conveniently ignore it, for example "UFO's or aliens don't exist because I can prove this photo is a fake but now I'll ignore all the declassified military documents from around the world that say otherwise".

If you want to believe, base it on the evidence and the logic that should follow, not the hearsay.

 

[explod]

Not doing any good posting up on the logical threads so thought I would try the conspiracy angle (some on ASF think I'm conspiratorial).

Have been thinking about this logical stuff; there are two sides to the brain, common sense is on one side and on the other is dreamland. From a young age I was a dreamer, good at drawing and painting pictures but spell or add up, forget it. Dad could not handle me at all, never effeminate in the full sense mind, but Mum's boy and got to change the napkins of all my many younger borthers, except Kev who was only 18 months behind me. My Sister came along too late unfortunately to be of any value.

Anyway off my truck, this is about conspiracies. Now for some 4 or 5 years now I have had this odd theory in my head from some other ranters that gold and silver is being held down to protect ordinary government promise backed paper money. But no one else seems to be interested. Anyway I have become a bit excited of late about an enquiry into just this sort of matter which is running as we think/dream at this moment. Of course a lot of people have lost an awful lot of money in the last few years and they think they have being robbed by the system, particularly those well paid people who run the big firms on Wall Street, so the lynching parties are forming up for a taste of blood. Of course emptying bellies and less work hours in the US are stoking the flames a bit.

I get into trouble for pasting big slabs of other peoples stuff without the proper acknowledgements, they used to be pests with that at Uni too and all I wanted to do was learn to paint. Anyway on this idea of valuable metals being sat on by the big boys I will quote the following written by Michael Gray in the New York Post, yesterday the 29th. and the link I am on is http://www.gata.org/node/8482 now be carefull here as this is also considered to be a nutters website by some who cannot spell Explod on ASF.

With the wonderful sprit of the crucifixion upon us this week maybe GG could have the time to give some thought to conspiratorial matters also. So keen to hear some other takes on this stuff.

A London-based precious-metals trader who had accused JPMorgan Chase of manipulating the gold and silver markets was involved in a bizarre weekend car accident that triggered a police chase before the suspect was nabbed.

Andrew Maguire, a metals trader at the London Bullion Market Association, and his wife were traveling in their car when a second car coming out of a side street struck their vehicle. That car then hit two more vehicles before fleeing.

London cops using helicopters and patrol cars chased the hit-and-run driver before nabbing that person, whose name has not been released by authorities.

Maguire and his wife were released from the hospital yesterday. London police would not comment on the accident investigation.

The hit and run occurred after Maguire's name came to light Thursday during a US Commodities Futures Trading Commission hearing on limiting gold and silver positions held by large market participants in order to prevent manipulation.

During the hearing, Maguire was identified as having sent e-mails to Bart Chilton, a CFTC commissioner, and Eliud Ramirez, head of the commission's enforcement division, alleging that JPMorgan had used its massive metals positions to manipulate the commodities markets.

In one e-mail, Maguire wrote, "It is common knowledge here in London among the metals traders that it is JPM's intent to flush out and cover as many shorts as possible prior to any discussion in March about position limits," referring to last week's CFTC hearings.

JPMorgan inherited the positions when it acquired Bear Stearns two years ago.

When the allegations first surfaced last week, JPMorgan declined to comment.

 

[trainspotter]

“I wanna live fast, die young and leave a beautiful corpse.” ~ John Derek as Pretty Boy Romano

 

[explod]

“I wanna live fast, die young and leave a beautiful corpse.” ~ John Derek as Pretty Boy Romano

Seeems to be a bit off topic trainspotter, bit like a slow suicide note or an attempt to cover my theories on precious metals in the post, this evening, just before yours.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Seeems to be a bit off topic trainspotter, bit like a slow suicide note or an attempt to cover my theories on precious metals in the post, this evening, just before yours.

Considering there had been no posts on this thread for nine months it is rather stoo pid for someone to post that stoo pid comment. Probably on the Margarets Chardonnay or the likes.

Conspiracy facts however are hard to define as the cunning cover their tracks while their puppets dance to the music.

 

[explod]

Considering there had been no posts on this thread for nine months it is rather stoo pid for someone to post that stoo pid comment. Probably on the Margarets Chardonnay or the likes.

Conspiracy facts however are hard to define as the cunning cover their tracks while their puppets dance to the music.

Agree, but was about to start a thread on the topic I have touched above and of course was going to lead with the word conspiracy, so dutifully found on a search one already made to fit.

Not on the grapes myself and as I wholeheartedly feel my theories on gold and silver very important can only assume your hand points otherwise.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Agree, but was about to start a thread on the topic I have touched above and of course was going to lead with the word conspiracy, so dutifully found on a search one already made to fit.

Yes of course the large players control the movement of securities and investments. When it comes to money there are no "beg your pardons" and the rules are flexible as long as there is a payoff.

Is there a connection between the hit n run driver and JPM? Too extreme for mine but being shortly after the Commission hearing raises such a question.

 

[explod]

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Is there a connection between the hit n run driver and JPM? Too extreme for mine but being shortly after the Commission hearing raises such a question.

There are no conclusions on the accident that I can find, may well be coincidental. It is the evidence purported by Maquire of the actual planning and the coordinated hit to the silver market at a stratiegic time, that may, it appears, have some legs.

Many have howled and screamed conspiracy on the issue for four or five years now, but it still remains to be seen. If manipulation is to the degree some say has been occurring and it is stopped, I think gold and silver will bolt up.

We will see.

 

[Putty7]

There are no conclusions on the accident that I can find, may well be coincidental. It is the evidence purported by Maquire of the actual planning and the coordinated hit to the silver market at a stratiegic time, that may, it appears, have some legs.

Many have howled and screamed conspiracy on the issue for four or five years now, but it still remains to be seen. If manipulation is to the degree some say has been occurring and it is stopped, I think gold and silver will bolt up.

We will see.

That the ASX market is manipulated there is little doubt, traders watch it happen everyday and if you can't learn to read which way the tide is going, in or out, you might as well not go for a swim or you might drown. Having the ASIC appointed to watch over it is just Government control of the situation.

I won't comment on the accident because that is the secondary topic really and a by product of the first topic, nothing would surprise me anymore, if this story is true, then it shows how corrupt the American system is and how well things can be hidden when it affects the powers that be, I think it was Bill Clinton who said he was powerless, there was a Government behind the Government, it will be interesting to see if it is eventually picked up by the mainstream media. But agree in theory that Gold and Silver prices could benefit from this coming out.

 

[Putty7]

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/metals.html

Another link worth a look at with regards to Gold and Silver, thanks Explod for the topic.

 

[Boyou]

Might as well put this in with the Conspiracy stuff.If it isn't a legalised fraud(i know ,a conflict in terms) then I don't know what is!
A story featured on ASF home page.Another symptom of a diseased financial system...........


"Major US banks have been masking the size of their debt, and thereby their risk levels, by temporarily lowering it just before reporting it to the public, the Wall Street Journal says.

The newspaper, citing data from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, said on Friday that 18 banks have understated the debt used to fund securities trades by lowering them an average of 42 per cent at the end of each of the past five quarterly periods.

The banks include Goldman Sachs Group Inc, Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan Chase and Co, Bank of America Corp and Citigroup Inc, the Journal said.

It said the practice is legal but gives investors a skewed impression of the level of risk that financial firms are taking the vast majority of the time.

It noted that overborrowing by banks was one of the causes of the financial crisis.

"You want your leverage to look better at quarter-end than it actually was during the quarter, to suggest that you're taking less risk," William Tanona, a former Goldman analyst, was quoted as saying.

The report said some banks privately confirmed the practice but many major banks would not comment specifically on the Fed financial data.

"The efforts to manage the size of our balance sheet are appropriate and our policies are consistent with all applicable accounting and legal requirements," a Bank of America spokesman told the Journal."

 

[explod]

"Major US banks have been masking the size of their debt, and thereby their risk levels, by temporarily lowering it just before reporting it to the public, the Wall Street Journal says.

So what? they have been doing it for years. It was well set out by Panzer in "Financial Armageddon" 2005, and another text "Conquer the Crash" 2002, its on loan and cant' remember author.

Have been howled down many times for trying to explain how debt is either shifted from the books or added as an asset, and not just the banks either. Because things are unravelling around Wall Street and the US have an election coming up there is a scream for blood. You wait and see, they will work out a way to keep getting away with cheating thier tax payers. Mind it does not happen at a place near you.