Schapelle Corby - Innocent or Guilty?

[gooner]

Fair enough gooner, but this case is specifically to do with smuggling marijuana.

When has smoking pot ever resulted in "deaths from overdose, HIV, Hepatitis"?

Fair point. Although, I could argue that most heroin addicts start with Marijuana.........

 

[explod]

Fair point. Although, I could argue that most heroin addicts start with Marijuana.........

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Getting off topic, but an interesting point here. Alcoholics start with the first beer, but how many who have that first beer become alcoholics. As in some people being gay, we now know that these matters are within us neaurologically (spellin) from birth. Alcoholism is the same and so is drug addiction.

And I accept the two bobs worth

 

[ColB]

Originally Posted by explod

And for the record I have never used drugs of any description other than those prescribed for my blood pressure. And when some say they make comments on a thread such as this tounge in cheek I may on conemplation need more medication.

I can't find any post which suggests you take drugs.

Originally Posted by explod

A few indian hemp smokers the least of our problems, alcohol caused (and still does) much greater mayhem.

I agree in part with this comment but we're discussing the guilt or innocence of a person that had 4kg of the stuff, hardly just a casual user.

Originally Posted by explod

I originally joined the Police Force to help people. One of the greater dissapointments was to learn that not only police but society in general only wants to help themselves.

Schapelle was doing a verg good job of this until she got caught

Originally Posted by explod

Corby is one of us and in other circumstances she or her offspring could be defenders of our country in times of war.

Well that would make us all feel very safe. Mind you, Rosaleigh would be a great recruit to send to Afghanistan. Imagine what she could do if you told her that the Taliban had stolen her camera [see post 1015]

Originally Posted by Macquack

I agree with RazzaDazzla, seeing Schapelle repeatedly smacking her forehead with her open palm still sticks in my mind as the subconscious actions of a guilty person.

Originally Posted by explod

subconscious You have some background in psychology?

It reminded me of a person who realised she had been very silly and looked like the actions of being frustrated, was she covering for her Brother perhaps?

Reminded you of a person who realised she had been very silly! Why? Because she was innocent or guilty? Looked like the actions of someone being frustrated. Why was she frustrated? Had the enormity of her conduct finally sank in and caused her to smack her forehead in frustration? Most who saw that footage would agree with RazzaDazzla's perception.

explod It is honourable to have compassion and a desire to try and make this world a better place, but surely we have so many other people in need much closer to home that are far more deserving.

 

[explod]

I can't find any post which suggests you take drugs.

With the extent that some of the could not care less are taiking this so seriously one needs to cover all quarters.

I agree in part with this comment but we're discussing the guilt or innocence of a person that had 4kg of the stuff, hardly just a casual user.

I agree with this too but I have seen absolutely professional concerns with acres of the stuff in the hills get off with a good behaviour bond.

Schapelle was doing a verg good job of this until she got caught

Not the point I was making. I am talking about some compassion. Her guilt according to law has been decided.

Well that would make us all feel very safe. Mind you, Rosaleigh would be a great recruit to send to Afghanistan. Imagine what she could do if you told her that the Taliban had stolen her camera

Again I am talking of the principal, the Iraki war cleaned the New York Streets of its itinerent drug problems.

explod It is honourable to have compassion and a desire to try and make this world a better place, but surely we have so many other people in need much closer to home that are far more deserving.

That is correct, but overall cummunity state of mind is where it starts for tackling the rest of the community.

We are I realise way off topic, subject is, she is either innocent or guilty. However Indonesian Law has decided the matter, some of us are uneasy about the methods and the penalty and some are not. And we could say yae or nay adinfanitum. The market is open tomorrow

 

[Agentm]

someone needs a valium..

this thread is totally screwed atm..

if you want to discuss your view on corbys guilt or innocence.. then do it.. but saying your a ex copper means jack.. and i know plenty of bent cops.. infact i dont know any straight cops.. except for one guy who is a narc and you would never pick him as one ever... all the other cops are just screwed up puppies. bent and corrupt and totally off the dial.

ffs.. corbys innocence is the thread. many dont believe the fantasy of innocence..

corby brother had 4 kg of the best in the bag.. she took the rap.. so whats the mystery?

 

[nunthewiser]

someone needs a valium..

this thread is totally screwed atm..

if you want to discuss your view on corbys guilt or innocence.. then do it.. but saying your a ex copper means jack.. and i know plenty of bent cops.. infact i dont know any straight cops.. except for one guy who is a narc and you would never pick him as one ever... all the other cops are just screwed up puppies. bent and corrupt and totally off the dial.

ffs.. corbys innocence is the thread. many dont believe the fantasy of innocence..

corby brother had 4 kg of the best in the bag.. she took the rap.. so whats the mystery?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


I hereby submit the previous post for the " rant of the year " awards

funny stuff

cheers AgentM

 

[explod]

someone needs a valium..

this thread is totally screwed atm..

if you want to discuss your view on corbys guilt or innocence.. then do it.. but saying your a ex copper means jack.. and i know plenty of bent cops.. infact i dont know any straight cops.. except for one guy who is a narc and you would never pick him as one ever... all the other cops are just screwed up puppies. bent and corrupt and totally off the dial.

ffs.. corbys innocence is the thread. many dont believe the fantasy of innocence..

corby brother had 4 kg of the best in the bag.. she took the rap.. so whats the mystery?

Hope there is no inference to me here. It was others who brought the ex cop into the discussion and by implication trying to aver that I was perhaps betraying the police brotherhood.

One of the things I have learned to be sorry about is having my pen name as explod Not wanting to run away from the scrum mind (you'd have to king nit me from behind to make me turn the cheek) but perhaps I will think of talking to Joe about a change

 

[explod]

all the other cops are just screwed up puppies. bent and corrupt and totally off the dial.

And then again, why should I. If some make comments here without knowing all the background then they are to be ignored. As I am often wrong and in that boat too; its a discussion forum after all.

And with a belief like that of Agentm above then posters with my sort of background need to be around perhaps?

cheers explod

 

[Tink]

Good for you explod : )

I disagree with agentm's comment -- all the cops I know are decent people

 

[nulla nulla]

We are I realise way off topic, subject is, she is either innocent or guilty. However Indonesian Law has decided the matter, some of us are uneasy about the methods and the penalty and some are not. And we could say yae or nay adinfanitum. The market is open tomorrow

Finally , something we can agree on.

 

[Naked shorts]

wtf this thread is still alive?

 

[Julia]

One of the things I have learned to be sorry about is having my pen name as explod Not wanting to run away from the scrum mind (you'd have to king nit me from behind to make me turn the cheek) but perhaps I will think of talking to Joe about a change

Actually, I'm not sure that too many will make the connection anyway.
When you first joined I looked at your nic thinking it was some sort of peculiar misspelling of "explode". It never occurred to me to consider that it meant you used to be a police officer.
It's a pity perhaps you made this known as it will inevitably colour people's views about what you say.

Again I am talking of the principal, the Iraki war cleaned the New York Streets of its itinerent drug problems.

explod, I appreciate that you are coming from a point of view of some sort of compassion but I've had difficulty understanding some of your comments in the thread. viz this last one above?????

What principle exactly are you talking about?

What are "itinerant drug problems", and how did the Iraq war "clean the New York streets of these?

And what does it have to do with Schapelle Corby's guilt or innocence?

 

[Naked shorts]

New Schapelle Corby poll

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19042

 

[nunthewiser]

And with a belief like that of Agentm above then posters with my sort of background need to be around perhaps?

cheers explod

Book him danno


Cops are real people too

 

[Tink]

That they are Nun

3 of my friends children are cops (male and female) and another one just at the end of the process.

I wouldnt do that job for all the tea in China

I say -- Good on them

 

[explod]

Actually, I'm not sure that too many will make the connection anyway.
When you first joined I looked at your nic thinking it was some sort of peculiar misspelling of "explode". It never occurred to me to consider that it meant you used to be a police officer.
It's a pity perhaps you made this known as it will inevitably colour people's views about what you say.

It should not be so and I strive to keep myself at the community level. My previous experience as a shearer helped me, for example, in handling prisoners, particularly drunks. This ability was noted and assisted my advancement. We certainly need to stand apart but at the same time be able to relate to many sides of emotion. And in matters concerning liberty we are on the knife edge here.

explod, I appreciate that you are coming from a point of view of some sort of compassion but I've had difficulty understanding some of your comments in the thread. viz this last one above?????

What principle exactly are you talking about?

What are "itinerant drug problems", and how did the Iraq war "clean the New York streets of these?

And what does it have to do with Schapelle Corby's guilt or innocence?

My purpose here is for us to consider every individual in society, not matter how bad, to be seen still to have some potential, this is also one of the principles for rehabilitation.

It was noted in posts over the weekend in terms such as, "who cares about her, she is nothing but a dirt bag" and other similar views in regard to offenders.

Having had a very rounded professional career and having seven near family members now in the force at various career stages, my interest in the philosophical development of the Force is strong.

Issues such as the Schapelle Corby case do provide a good platform on which to learn more of cummunity standards and outlook. The police need to adapt to these changes and is it also good for the community to have insight into some of the thinking behind law enforcement.

Thanks for the questions Julia. It is always good to have your oversight, and hope this helps.

 

[ColB]

Originally Posted by Julia

"...It's a pity perhaps you made this known as it will inevitably colour people's views about what you say."

Originally Posted by explod

"It should not be so and I strive to keep myself at the community level. My previous experience as a shearer helped me, for example, in handling prisoners, particularly drunks. This ability was noted and assisted my advancement."

Well I'll be daaarned! No offence to shearers, but if their physical or intellectual prowess can form some basis for promotion in the Police Force we should be alarmed but then maybe herding sheep is a skill similar to crowd control!

 

[nulla nulla]

Again I am talking of the principal, the Iraki war cleaned the New York Streets of its itinerent drug problems.

Without getting into an argument about the relevence of this point to the innocence or lack there of it of Schapelle Corby, could you elaberate on how "..the Iraqi war cleaned the New York Streets of its itinerent drug problems" please?

 

[explod]

Without getting into an argument about the relevence of this point to the innocence or lack there of it of Schapelle Corby, could you elaberate on how "..the Iraqi war cleaned the New York Streets of its itinerent drug problems" please?

Yes, there was a news article some years ago discussing soldiers joining the troops for the campaign in Iraq from the streets of New York, it cited actual people and thier story of how it had turned them and many of their fellows around and a cop was quoted as saying how things had improved on the streets as a result.

 

[explod]

Well I'll be daaarned! No offence to shearers, but if their physical or intellectual prowess can form some basis for promotion in the Police Force we should be alarmed but then maybe herding sheep is a skill similar to crowd control!

Does not matter what one says, try to be constructive and you are struck down. :banghead

Perhaps what I should have said, "If you come from the wrong side of the tracks you can better understand those from the wrong side of the tracks" And here it seems most are from the good side, born with a silver spoon.