Schapelle Corby - Innocent or Guilty?

[Tink]

Explod, I think the parents need to be happy that she is alive.

There are parents out there that dont have their children anymore because of capital punishment and drugs.

What did she think, she would transport drugs, get a pardon and come home?

Doesnt happen like that, and shouldnt happen like that.

 

[explod]

Explod, I think the parents need to be happy that she is alive.

There are parents out there that dont have their children anymore because of capital punishment and drugs.

What did she think, she would transport drugs, get a pardon and come home?

Doesnt happen like that, and shouldnt happen like that.

Absolutely agree with your above statement. What I am saying, post tense, is that as a parent one never stops caring. In your poast you said "who cares"

 

[nulla nulla]

Absolutely agree with your above statement. What I am saying, post tense, is that as a parent one never stops caring. In your poast you said "who cares"

No, "Tink" didn't say "who cares", I did. Candidly I think most of the Australian populace are sick of hearing all the bleating about "poor Schapelle". You do the crime, you do the time.

 

[explod]

No, "Tink" didn't say "who cares", I did. Candidly I think most of the Australian populace are sick of hearing all the bleating about "poor Schapelle". You do the crime, you do the time.

Again, my point is missed. Certainly do the drugs across these borders and you have to do the time if caught out.

The pain is diferrent to that metered out here, sure a different culture but that is no reason to say we don't care. We should all try to set a better example and set better standards so that one day perhaps the law and a fair go against the measure of the crime standardises more.

 

[ColB]

Originally Posted by nulla nulla

"Who knows, and frankly who cares."

Originally Posted by explod

"Then why read the thread and make a post, you must care in some way.

If it was my Son or Daughter locked in this way I would care. And because I have grown Sons and a Daughter, think I know a little on how it may feel."

She was found guilty by a court of law, she is guilty by association, her dad was a key player in an international marijuana ring just three weeks before his daughter's arrest in Bali, her half brother has faced drug charges in Brisbane and is a thug and Mum & Mercedes are definitely from right down the bottom of the food chain.

I'm with you Nulla, I don't care about her either. It is clear from the poll that most 'astute' ASF members know she is guilty. The well researched and articulate posts of Nulla, Pilots, Nunthewiser etc have rebutted all argument from pro Corby posters including Wacko Jacko and Zack. Even body language expert RazzaDazzla [post 1001] has assessed her behaviour as that of a guilty person.

And explod, what is going through that head of yours. As an ex copper you betray the brotherhood with your assertions that she is possibly innocent yet you concede that she 'erred a bit'.

And if it were my son or daughter in the same situation would I care? Yes I would. I would because I'd think I'd failed as a father.

 

[explod]

And explod, what is going through that head of yours. As an ex copper you betray the brotherhood with your assertions that she is possibly innocent yet you concede that she 'erred a bit'.

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Absolute rubbish. A policeman is an instrument of the Parliament to keep the peace and uphold the law. In going about that task his role is not to be concerned with punishment or its deliverance. That is the task of the courts and the legal fraternity.

I am now a civilian and a parent and discussing the feelings of a parent. Corby cannot help the past actions of her Father and Brother and should not be penalised extra by the law in regard to that. She did the crime and is doing the time according to Indenesian law.

None of this is relevant to the fact that my hope would be for a more moderate world in which we can educate others towards a more level playing field across borders.

 

[nioka]

I'm with you Nulla, I don't care about her either. It is clear from the poll that most 'astute' ASF members know she is guilty. .

Think about that statement. Will I be "astute" if I agree with you and one of the dumb ones if I don't agree with you.? Maybe she is guilty, maybe not. She probably would have been found not guilty if tried in Australia. Who would be right then. Remember "the dingo took my baby" case. Who was astute there?.

 

[nulla nulla]

She was found guilty by a court of law......... It is clear from the poll that most 'astute' ASF members know she is guilty.

I don't actualy "Know she is guilty". I wasn't there, I didn't see her do it and I didn't hear what she said when apprehended. But she was tried in a legitimate court of law of a sovereign country. She was found guilty and she was sentenced in accordance with the penalties of that country.

If she was my child, I would care for her well being and how she spent her time in jail to maximise her safety, well being, good behaviour etc in the hope that she would earn remissions off her sentence. I would also try to gain support quietly at home, in a manner that would not jeopardise her safety, well being and prospects of remission.

 

[gooner]

Think about that statement. Will I be "astute" if I agree with you and one of the dumb ones if I don't agree with you.? Maybe she is guilty, maybe not. She probably would have been found not guilty if tried in Australia. Who would be right then. Remember "the dingo took my baby" case. Who was astute there?.

Nioka

If she turned up at an Australian airport with a bag full of drugs, I would be very surprised if she would have been found not guilty.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

She was found guilty by a court of law, she is guilty by association, her dad was a key player in an international marijuana ring just three weeks before his daughter's arrest in Bali, her half brother has faced drug charges in Brisbane and is a thug and Mum & Mercedes are definitely from right down the bottom of the food chain.

I'm with you Nulla, I don't care about her either. It is clear from the poll that most 'astute' ASF members know she is guilty. The well researched and articulate posts of Nulla, Pilots, Nunthewiser etc have rebutted all argument from pro Corby posters including Wacko Jacko and Zack. Even body language expert RazzaDazzla [post 1001] has assessed her behaviour as that of a guilty person.

And explod, what is going through that head of yours. As an ex copper you betray the brotherhood with your assertions that she is possibly innocent yet you concede that she 'erred a bit'.

And if it were my son or daughter in the same situation would I care? Yes I would. I would because I'd think I'd failed as a father.

Excellent points. In our system association or relation to drug dealers and killers of our youth is not permissable in court deliberations.

Obviously this is not the case in Indonesia.

I doubt if the two sides "Vestal Virgin versus Evil Drug Family Member" will ever be reconciled.

By the way do Wacko Jacko and Zack still live. Do they post anywhere. They must be running out of puff. Even the gutter press like The Age, 7.30 Report and A Current Affair won't have a bar of her now.

gg

 

[ColB]

Originally Posted by ColB
I'm with you Nulla, I don't care about her either. It is clear from the poll that most 'astute' ASF members know she is guilty.

Originally posted by Nioka

Think about that statement. Will I be "astute" if I agree with you and one of the dumb ones if I don't agree with you.? Maybe she is guilty, maybe not. She probably would have been found not guilty if tried in Australia. Who would be right then. Remember "the dingo took my baby" case. Who was astute there?.

My apologies Nioka, I thought most astute ASF members would have interpreted my post as it was intended, a mostly tongue in cheek and pot stirring exercise

No offence explod, I just find the irony of your sympathetic attitude toward Corby surprising given that you probably have spent considerable time dealing with her ilk and being well aware of the consequences that the drug industry imposes on society

 

[explod]

My apologies Nioka, I thought most astute ASF members would have interpreted my post as it was intended, a mostly tongue in cheek and pot stirring exercise

No offence explod, I just find the irony of your sympathetic attitude toward Corby surprising given that you probably have spent considerable time dealing with her ilk and being well aware of the consequences that the drug industry imposes on society

A few indian hemp smokers the least of our problems, alcohol caused (and still does) much greater mayhem.

I originally joined the Police Force to help people. One of the greater dissapointments was to learn that not only police but society in general only wants to help themselves. I still try to present the other side in the slim hope that we can improve society by helping each other. Corby is one of us and in other circumstances she or her offspring could be defenders of our country in times of war.

 

[explod]

And for the record I have never used drugs of any description other than those prescribed for my blood pressure. And when some say they make comments on a thread such as this tounge in cheek I may on conemplation need more medication.

 

[Macquack]

Even body language expert RazzaDazzla [post 1001] has assessed her behaviour as that of a guilty person.

Guilty as sin!

Her body language said it all when they handed down the verdict. She sat there smacking her hand on her forehead again and again as if saying "you stupid idiot! Why did you do it!?"

I agree with RazzaDazzla, seeing Schapelle repeatedly smacking her forehead with her open palm still sticks in my mind as the subconscious actions of a guilty person.

Having said that, Schapelle's 20 year sentence is a joke. Indonesian President Yudhoyono has just unveiled plans to sentence people smugglers to maximum of 5 years jail.

How about reforming your drug laws at the same time, chop chop (or is it bang bang).

 

[explod]

I agree with RazzaDazzla, seeing Schapelle repeatedly smacking her forehead with her open palm still sticks in my mind as the subconscious actions of a guilty person.

subconscious You have some background in psychology?

It reminded me of a person who realised she had been very silly and looked like the actions of being frustrated, was she covering for her Brother perhaps?

 

[Macquack]

subconscious You have some background in psychology?

It reminded me of a person who realised she had been very silly and looked like the actions of being frustrated, was she covering for her Brother perhaps?

Either way, she appeared to me to be guilty in some way.

 

[explod]

Either way, she appeared to me to be guilty in some way.

Yeh, burn em at the stake for not believing in a fictitious belief. They look guilty hang em.

Only worth 2 cents, cooommoooooorrn you can do better than that Macquack

 

[gooner]

I agree with RazzaDazzla, seeing Schapelle repeatedly smacking her forehead with her open palm still sticks in my mind as the subconscious actions of a guilty person.

Having said that, Schapelle's 20 year sentence is a joke. Indonesian President Yudhoyono has just unveiled plans to sentence people smugglers to maximum of 5 years jail.

How about reforming your drug laws at the same time, chop chop (or is it bang bang).

So you think giving asylum seekers a lift to where they want to go is a bigger crime than smuggling illegal drugs? The former would appear to be victimless crime. The victims of drug smuggling can be seen in dead police officers, HIV, Hepatitis, deaths from overdose, corrupt judiciary and families destroyed by children addicted to drugs.

 

[Macquack]

Yeh, burn em at the stake for not believing in a fictitious belief. They look guilty hang em.

Only worth 2 cents, cooommoooooorrn you can do better than that Macquack

Explod, it was only an observation, not a judgement. But I will up the ante to say that is my two bobs worth.

 

[Macquack]

So you think giving asylum seekers a lift to where they want to go is a bigger crime than smuggling illegal drugs? The former would appear to be victimless crime. The victims of drug smuggling can be seen in dead police officers, HIV, Hepatitis, deaths from overdose, corrupt judiciary and families destroyed by children addicted to drugs.

Fair enough gooner, but this case is specifically to do with smuggling marijuana.

When has smoking pot ever resulted in "deaths from overdose, HIV, Hepatitis"?