Schapelle Corby - Innocent or Guilty?

[FPSS]

She was tried under the 'Civil Law' process which is a different system to Australia so I think it's important not to draw too many similarities with actual legal/judicial processes. I think the most unfortunate thing in this case was that her legal representation and advisors did not, perhaps, have the experience necessary to secure her the best outcomes.

 

[explod]

She was tried under the 'Civil Law' process which is a different system to Australia so I think it's important not to draw too many similarities with actual legal/judicial processes. I think the most unfortunate thing in this case was that her legal representation and advisors did not, perhaps, have the experience necessary to secure her the best outcomes.

It is well acknowledged that the legal systems are different. However I still find it hard to reconcile, that no matter how sensitive and touchy the subject may be to Goverment relations, that at the end of the day, a fair go is a fair go and though I am dead against drugs and pushers, this was relatively minor in the bigger drug scheme of things. But my point is, that it seems unfair that no representative of the Australian Government have made it seems, any effort to look at or ease her situation.

 

[prozac]

It seems unfair, but the law of the land is the law. She knew what the benefits would be, she should have considered the cons as well before embarking on this enterprise. That she succeeded on previous occasions probably made her feel invincible when instead she should have felt lucky she got away with it before and called it quits.

There are many, many travelers in Asian gaols serving long sentences or worse, who have not received this sort of media coverage or any degree of public support. Why should Corby be different?

FWIW, the Australian govt. should have made certain that Scott Rush being led as a lamb to the slaughter would have been returned to Australia as part of their arrangement with the Indon. govt. to serve his sentence here. They could have arrested him here but it would have aborted the run.

 

[explod]

It seems unfair, but the law of the land is the law. She knew what the benefits would be, she should have considered the cons as well before embarking on this enterprise. That she succeeded on previous occasions probably made her feel invincible when instead she should have felt lucky she got away with it before and called it quits.

There are many, many travelers in Asian gaols serving long sentences or worse, who have not received this sort of media coverage or any degree of public support. Why should Corby be different?

FWIW, the Australian govt. should have made certain that Scott Rush being led as a lamb to the slaughter would have been returned to Australia as part of their arrangement with the Indon. govt. to serve his sentence here. They could have arrested him here but it would have aborted the run.

But did she know, there is doubt about that issue and is the reason why it has had the focused attention. Your post makes the assumption without reference that she knew. I would challenge that and be pleased if you could give some details of some of the many many others of a similar situation

 

[Agentm]

It is well acknowledged that the legal systems are different. However I still find it hard to reconcile, that no matter how sensitive and touchy the subject may be to Goverment relations, that at the end of the day, a fair go is a fair go and though I am dead against drugs and pushers, this was relatively minor in the bigger drug scheme of things. But my point is, that it seems unfair that no representative of the Australian Government have made it seems, any effort to look at or ease her situation.

4kg of top notch hooch is not minor

just a case of too much complacency.. they got lazy and got caught

its not a case of governments interfering, thats not how its done, no one tells anyone how to run their affairs..

dont feel sorry for her, plenty of others are doing the same time and not getting the notoriety,, and they deal with it a lot better,, chapelle has renae helping her now,, and that figure will keep her alive far better than her head case of a family.. its all good, just needs to do the time and get on with life.

 

[nulla nulla]

But did she know, there is doubt about that issue and is the reason why it has had the focused attention. Your post makes the assumption without reference that she knew. I would challenge that and be pleased if you could give some details of some of the many many others of a similar situation

Her boogie bag, she packed it, her dope and convicted in a legitimate court of law in a sovereign country. what more do you want?

 

[gordon2007]

But did she know,

i

It doesn't matter. Ignorance is no excuse.

So she knew that trafficking drugs was illegal in au, but didn't know it was illegal in bali?

Either way, I repeat, it doesn't matter.

The only reason we even still here about her in the news, is that we continue to click on the news links. The more we click, the more we'll continue to read\hear about her.

 

[pilots]

My bet is that if you asked her if she wants to come home she would stay in Bali, here in Australia you cant do want you want to do in jail, plus if she was here she would have to look at her mother each week, now I would not wish that on any one.

 

[explod]

i

It doesn't matter. Ignorance is no excuse.

So she knew that trafficking drugs was illegal in au, but didn't know it was illegal in bali?

Either way, I repeat, it doesn't matter.

The only reason we even still here about her in the news, is that we continue to click on the news links. The more we click, the more we'll continue to read\hear about her.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse, of course, one of the "irrebuttable presumptions", but actual physical possession is another matter and in our jursidiction would be a matter of some doubt IMV as there was no established observable continuation. If you really want to get down to it as it stands in Aus., its a whole can of worms.

But it was not in Aus; however, on a basic human rights fair play, I venture it would not hurt the Australian Government to at least broach those anomalies, not only for Corby but hopefully in the long term for a more even legal playing field across all jurisdictions.

 

[nunthewiser]

Her boogie bag, she packed it, her dope and convicted in a legitimate court of law in a sovereign country. what more do you want?

Bingo.

Gday mr Nulla. Its not like it was a charity run either . simple fact was she went to make the easy buck and now paying the price ..... shoulda stayed at home selling sticks at the pub if she wasnt prepared to abide by the countrys laws and punishments.

 

[FPSS]

seems unfair that no representative of the Australian Government have made it seems, any effort to look at or ease her situation.

Probably because some people have unrealistic expectations or don't really understand the way these things work. The Government can't intervene in another country's legal system or try to impose our legal standards on them. We wouldn't tolerate them trying to do that here with an Indonesian in our jail.

In fairness to the Australian Government, it seems to have provided quite a lot of resources to the case. They have publicly offered to deliver letters to support her lawyers (see link below), offered the funding for QC's to advise her original legal team (you can google that yourself)... paying for the witness (John Ford) to fly to Bali to testify for her on what he overheard in a prison in Australia, provided legal aid support/access, providing consular services, assistance in gaining medical treatment...etc... it's quite comprehensive actually.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/corby...d-corby-retrial/2005/08/04/1123125848243.html

http://www.theage.com.au/news/corby...-hope-for-corby/2005/08/05/1123125882238.html

On the whole I think the aust govt's intentions are consistent with the mandates that they are signatory too; and in respect to the support provided to Australians detained abroad. It's not a perfect system and there are areas that they need to be challenged on, but to say they haven't made any effort is surely incorrect.

If I'm not mistaken, the Australian Government has assisted in accordance with the consular charter in making sure Australians detained in Kerobokan have access to medical treatment. Not only that, they provide access to funding under the Emergency Assistance Scheme and the Prisoner Loan Scheme.

Everyone should become familiar with this document so that you know what your Government can and cannot do for you.

http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/faq.html

 

[ColB]

Originally Posted by Pilots

"My bet is that if you asked her if she wants to come home she would stay in Bali, here in Australia you cant do want you want to do in jail, plus if she was here she would have to look at her mother each week, now I would not wish that on any one."

Pilots, if you, Nulla & Nunsa try a little harder I'm sure you'll be able to bring WACKO JACKO and Co out of hiding and I'm also pretty sure after a few beers you'd find Mrs Corby quite attractive Nunsa

 

[pilots]

ColB, No way could I ever drink that much beer, trust me on that.

 

[nulla nulla]

I would probably collapse from alcohol poisoning before I drank enough for her to have any appeal.
Your comment reminds me of a "Potts" joke. Uncle Dick is intoxicated and is confronted by a large temperate woman. "Your'e drunk!" exclaims the woman to which Uncle Dick responds "And your'e ugly, however in the morning I will be sober, but you will still be ugly".

 

[nulla nulla]

Bingo.

Gday mr Nulla. Its not like it was a charity run either . simple fact was she went to make the easy buck and now paying the price ..... shoulda stayed at home selling sticks at the pub if she wasnt prepared to abide by the countrys laws and punishments.

Yep, if she got caught locally she would have got a slap on the wrist and a fine. Then Australia would never have heard of this pathetic individual.

 

[explod]

If I'm not mistaken, the Australian Government has assisted in accordance with the consular charter in making sure Australians detained in Kerobokan have access to medical treatment. Not only that, they provide access to funding under the Emergency Assistance Scheme and the Prisoner Loan Scheme.

Everyone should become familiar with this document so that you know what your Government can and cannot do for you.

http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/faq.html

Thank you for the informative post and the link and sorry was off track and out of order with my take in that direction.

To those blindly assuming that she was trafficking when there is some (IMHO) doubt I just hope that you or your family do not have to suffer such a scenario.

cheers explod

 

[Tink]

The only reason people have doubts is because of the way the media played it all when she was first caught.

Once she was convicted, they dropped her like a hot potato

I thought she was guilty from day dot

 

[FPSS]

I think many people tend to think that when our loved one is arrested overseas, that our Government will a) rush to their defence b) tell the other government what to do c) get our loved one home asap.

When the real answer is a) get yourself a competent lawyer who won't offend the detaining party by saying their laws are ridiculous.

b) engage the detaining government with dignity and respect

c) work with credible experts who know what they are doing and do so away from media to ensure the best outcome for your loved one.

It's not rocket science but unfortunately, emotions tend to over-ride logic as we have seen with the Corby case.

 

[Buddy]

I would probably collapse from alcohol poisoning before I drank enough for her to have any appeal.
Your comment reminds me of a "Potts" joke. Uncle Dick is intoxicated and is confronted by a large temperate woman. "Your'e drunk!" exclaims the woman to which Uncle Dick responds "And your'e ugly, however in the morning I will be sober, but you will still be ugly".

Actually, it was Winston Churchill who said that.

 

[Buckfont]

My bet is that if you asked her if she wants to come home she would stay in Bali, here in Australia you cant do want you want to do in jail, plus if she was here she would have to look at her mother each week, now I would not wish that on any one.

Not to mention here sister whatsmore. She`s better off staying where she is. Can you imagine the months of publicity if she returned here. I`ve had enough of peoples stupidity.:bart::nosympath