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Garpal Gumnut said:
The second memsab, Mrs Gumnut 2, and I took a trip through India from Mumbai to Hyderbad in the early eighties Miner's comments- please visit again as the plane fare is much lower, at that time there was no computer, and 30 years have gone down)

It was the most racist country I have ever visited in all my born days. (Please try to come to point with present world situation - Miner's comments )

I have diplomat contacts in India, a country of cocky caste bloated mini hitlers, and they avow it has not changed much since. (Can you please mind your langugage and be more respectul to a country which has 100 times population and today AUstralia is benefitted by the people of that country)Miner's comments

The blacker you are in India the less you earn (Can you please show some statistics than making such sensitive comment. You are worse than Indian media who have termed the Melbourne issue as a racism)Miner's comments , the more menial your status and the less chance you have of marrying a person of a lighter hue.

Indians, do not call the kettle black, and slag Australia's good record on welcoming people different from themselves to join our great nation. (For the record - India is the only secular country in the world, has 25% reserved seats in Parliament for the people from so called low caste, 50% reservation of government positions and scholarships for those low caste people by law to address the caste system encouraged by BRITISH.

India has three Presidents from Muslim religion, One woman president, One woman PM, One President from low caste). Can you please show any such example from Australia citing what has been done really for Aboriginals ? I am not making any fuss here but asking to correct your record and requesting for more respectful to another country. I have worked and lived both countries and make visit to India at least one per year and pay 6 figure tax to Australian Tax Office) Miner's comments

If you want to educate your upper and middle classes here, do so, but do not bite us in your caucosoid media for having a crime problem in our cities. (This is another out of context and less informed comment)Miner's comments

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GG

I was intrigued to see this thread after returning yesterday back home from a ten days visit in India .

I thought to share few things on the so called racism issue being spreaded on the media and the 'she will be alright mate' attitude by our bureaucrats to handle the issue right in the begining.

Both me and my wife organised a get together party attended by some 120 people from both families and close friends (you think attending 35 in a marriage ceremony back here is a good number). Many of them we have not met when we have had our marriage attended by a small 700 people back 86.
Sorry for the digression but the main question we faced there was how we were surviving in a racist country like Australia and if our children were safe in Australia. We had to defend Australia like any thing to tell them the real story behind the beating of Indian students and to explain them that it was not racially motivated. Please remember the people attended the party included Presidents and CEOs of some of the good size Indian corporations, Police dignitaries, bank managers and top bureaucrats.

I also met few business leaders subsequently in Mumbai - the busines capital of India on my return to Australia. I faced the same inquiry from those people before start of the meeting as an out of agenda item.

What message I gathered there - that Australian High Commission and bureaucrats fed by Australian tax payers have miserably failed to demonstrate a busienss case to project Australila before India considering $4 billion was under stake from education earning alone, IPCL cricket earnings, big business transaction between Australia and India.

There have been many killings in UK and USA as well as beating up there. At no stage I am suggesting that they were good or acceptable practice, But the Indian media never became very sensitive about it.

GG you however need to update your knowledge from 80s. Now Microsoft has 40% of its employees from India and many top companies like Oracle, Citi are headed by Indians.

It is same story when we landed in Melbourne in 92 people refused to shake hands with me following an interview or sit next to me in tram or train. IT was the lack of awareness of so called Australians about the rest of world and it is the same Australia where Indian businesses are welcomed (Aditya, Birla Nifty, Pedgmen Chemicals, RCI, RIV, GNU and plenty). Today I get special welcome in any of the meetings I attend and people do consider my opinion. What I am trying to say here PLEASE do not ruminate the old story but PLEASE consider the present and just move on. Australia has White POlcy until 1977 but we on paper have wiped that out. Women and Aborginals were not allowed to vote but today is different. Let us face the present world and not to revolve on past glories or sins.

World has changed since then and so is India. WIth IT revolution, GATT, Globalisation of businesses, India has leaped forward from 80 saga. Yes, I do remember being a white was an advantageous in India but things have changed. Indian economy (please disregard the per capita income stats - they are just rubbish considering market potential in India is huge). I bought a pair of Nike Shoe at $250, paid INR 900 (= A$ 25) for a double shot whisky only day before yesterday. I thought it was too much but saw there were at least 30 people around me who were all Indians (included in the per capita figure) who were very happy to consume enough alcohol and food at the same place. they may be top 10% of population but that is good enough to equate population of 9 Australias.

Bottom line is definitely to condemn the beating of any nationals as a part of law and order situation but at the same time not to encourage the suggestion that such incidents were motivated by racism. We all have a duty to protect our image as proud Australians in outside world and that MUST NOT be justified by projecting poor country image or castism in India.
 
Thanks Miner,

I accept and agree with all your points.
True understanding and the abolition of racist attitudes between peoples needs the active involvement of both nations.
There are faults with Australia and with India.
To describe Australia as being more racist than any other country is wrong, particularly India.

gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
Thanks Miner,

I accept and agree with all your points.
True understanding and the abolition of racist attitudes between peoples needs the active involvement of both nations.
There are faults with Australia and with India.
To describe Australia as being more racist than any other country is wrong, particularly India.

gg
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Thanks GG for your agreement and kind understanding.

Yes, I totally agree that it is joint responsibilty for both people from Australia and India to voice their opinions at public forums and through government delegation to protect and respect each other, to condemn wrong things as wrong without taking the shelter of emotive issues like racism or casteism.

Please take care and let us return to stock market on Monday.
 
The exchange above between Miner and gg could serve as an example to all of us on how to exchange views in a civil manner.

Goodonya, both of you.:):):)
 
Julia said:
The exchange above between Miner and gg could serve as an example to all of us on how to exchange views in a civil manner.

Goodonya, both of you.:):):)
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Thank you Julia.

You have been always rational to put your views. I do value and appreciate your comments made both on GG and me to promote some good debates in this forum.

Regards
 
Miner said:
GG

I was intrigued to see this thread after returning yesterday back home from a ten days visit in India .

I thought to share few things on the so called racism issue being spreaded on the media and the 'she will be alright mate' attitude by our bureaucrats to handle the issue right in the begining.

Both me and my wife organised a get together party attended by some 120 people from both families and close friends (you think attending 35 in a marriage ceremony back here is a good number). Many of them we have not met when we have had our marriage attended by a small 700 people back 86.
Sorry for the digression but the main question we faced there was how we were surviving in a racist country like Australia and if our children were safe in Australia. We had to defend Australia like any thing to tell them the real story behind the beating of Indian students and to explain them that it was not racially motivated. Please remember the people attended the party included Presidents and CEOs of some of the good size Indian corporations, Police dignitaries, bank managers and top bureaucrats.

I also met few business leaders subsequently in Mumbai - the busines capital of India on my return to Australia. I faced the same inquiry from those people before start of the meeting as an out of agenda item.

What message I gathered there - that Australian High Commission and bureaucrats fed by Australian tax payers have miserably failed to demonstrate a busienss case to project Australila before India considering $4 billion was under stake from education earning alone, IPCL cricket earnings, big business transaction between Australia and India.

There have been many killings in UK and USA as well as beating up there. At no stage I am suggesting that they were good or acceptable practice, But the Indian media never became very sensitive about it.

GG you however need to update your knowledge from 80s. Now Microsoft has 40% of its employees from India and many top companies like Oracle, Citi are headed by Indians.

It is same story when we landed in Melbourne in 92 people refused to shake hands with me following an interview or sit next to me in tram or train. IT was the lack of awareness of so called Australians about the rest of world and it is the same Australia where Indian businesses are welcomed (Aditya, Birla Nifty, Pedgmen Chemicals, RCI, RIV, GNU and plenty). Today I get special welcome in any of the meetings I attend and people do consider my opinion. What I am trying to say here PLEASE do not ruminate the old story but PLEASE consider the present and just move on. Australia has White POlcy until 1977 but we on paper have wiped that out. Women and Aborginals were not allowed to vote but today is different. Let us face the present world and not to revolve on past glories or sins.

World has changed since then and so is India. WIth IT revolution, GATT, Globalisation of businesses, India has leaped forward from 80 saga. Yes, I do remember being a white was an advantageous in India but things have changed. Indian economy (please disregard the per capita income stats - they are just rubbish considering market potential in India is huge). I bought a pair of Nike Shoe at $250, paid INR 900 (= A$ 25) for a double shot whisky only day before yesterday. I thought it was too much but saw there were at least 30 people around me who were all Indians (included in the per capita figure) who were very happy to consume enough alcohol and food at the same place. they may be top 10% of population but that is good enough to equate population of 9 Australias.

Bottom line is definitely to condemn the beating of any nationals as a part of law and order situation but at the same time not to encourage the suggestion that such incidents were motivated by racism. We all have a duty to protect our image as proud Australians in outside world and that MUST NOT be justified by projecting poor country image or castism in India.
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Miner - thank you for your informed and passionate post. The 'eye for an eye' media sensationsalism in both countries plays up to old stereotypes in both nations. Good on you for speaking out for two nations that are obviously close to your heart.

I feel sorry for the family of the poor boy killed to have to see this tragedy played out on the global stage. Unfortunatley young men the world over will always be at risk of violence from their peers. I have two young boys at home and the rise of these unprovoked knife-related crimes scared the bejesus out of me. It is not a question of race, it is a question of youth. That is the real tragedy here worth reflecting on.
 
Bushman said:
Miner - thank you for your informed and passionate post. The 'eye for an eye' media sensationsalism in both countries plays up to old stereotypes in both nations. Good on you for speaking out for two nations that are obviously close to your heart.

I feel sorry for the family of the poor boy killed to have to see this tragedy played out on the global stage. Unfortunatley young men the world over will always be at risk of violence from their peers. I have two young boys at home and the rise of these unprovoked knife-related crimes scared the bejesus out of me. It is not a question of race, it is a question of youth. That is the real tragedy here worth reflecting on.
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Thanks Bushman for your comments. I do share your sentiment of killing a youth at 21 years in our own land, when I live with a son of 22 years and daughter of 10 years at my own home.

I am in all honesty very impressed at the responses received from all of you showing the high quality and balanced views from the participants in this forum . It really shows that there are always good people every where but it is often the media who distorts the views of people in the negative way.

Regards
 
I do not follow this story 100% so my understanding is probably not 100% either, but person dies in Australia every few days as a result of foul play.

So probability of getting killed in Australia is not as high as in some other countries, but is not ZERO either.

What irks me is that because killed person was born in another country or born to parents who migrated from another country is plastered as RACIALLY MOTIVATED MURDER.

Not to mention that official investigation did not conclude yet.
(Why Australia is guilty before can prove or disprove the claim???)

With conspiracy cap on, one can also suspect, that this could be twisted back door encouragement for citizens to migrate back as it is so unsafe here.

Panic and stampede are not uncommon tools in goals achievements either, so bigger noise the better effect.
 
It is a very sad situation for a family who must have had such high hopes for their son who could achieve a higher education in Australia.

Watched a program the other night and the suggestion was that Indian students put themselves at risk of attack not only because they work for instance at 24 hr petrol stations to support their studies but also because of lifestyle. I think I understood this to mean apart from living in cheaper rental areas Indian males tend to socialise in the street making them more visible, and also tended to carry around items such as laptops uncovered (not in a bag) perhaps because they are often working on assignments etc. This makes them a target for being robbed which of-course is not a race issue, it is about moderating or adjusting your behaviour and habits to better suit your environment.

The report stated in 2008 1,100 Indians were killed (in India) by terrorist activities. This makes our statistics pale into the background but suggests that it may not be safer at all living in India, and the media needs to refocus on the issues. A young man was killed in a foreign land and maybe media should dwell on the waste of life, his lost future, the loss by his family, and what can be done to reduce violent crime and catch criminals who perpetrate it.
 
Indian Racists are at it again.

A Bollywood star called Khan, a Muslim and a bit of a ******** to be honest, has inflamed Hindu emotions and they now as I write are on the rampage in Mumbai.

The Shiv Sena, a Mumbai-centered political party known for regional chauvinism and Hindu fundamentalism, has branded Khan a traitor for expressing regret that no cricketers from Pakistan - India's arch rival - were chosen to participate in next month's Indian Premier League Twenty20 tournament.

Khan, who is Muslim, has refused to apologise for the comments.
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http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/peo...-is-khan-and-im-in-trouble-20100211-nucf.html

When will India learn to curb its racist birth after the British left in 1948. Will strife and assault of minorities be a hallmark of Indian culture for evermore?

gg
 
Melbourne's topcop says 'looking as poor as you can' reduces the risk of assault.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...-add-fuel-to-indian-crisis-20100211-ntje.html

Cultural faux pas add fuel to Indian crisis
ELIZABETH HILL
February 11, 2010 - 11:49AM

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The Victorian Chief of Police's advice to international students to "look as poor as you can" as a strategy to avoid being assaulted is the latest in a growing list of inappropriate and unintelligent offerings by Australian officials involved in the current Indian student crisis. The comment is patronising and insulting, especially when directed at students who come from a country in which about 800 million people are very poor. It may have been a throwaway line, but in the context of the current bi-lateral turmoil between Australia and India, off-the-cuff remarks create trouble. They also point to underlying ignorance and prejudice.

The first problem with Simon Overland's comment is that it blames the victim. Unable to provide safe and secure public spaces to our visitors, the police chief lays the blame, and thus the solution to the problem, at the foot of the visitors the police are employed to protect. Surely the problem is police incapacity, not student dress codes.

Here is an excerpt on Derryn Hinch's take on all of this

http://www.hinch.net/hinch-says-2010/February/08-02-10.html

POORLY DRESS POLICY

So Victorian Police Chief Simon Overland has made it official. Melbourne is a violent city. Obviously one of the most risky places in the world. So dangerous that, to avoid being mugged, we should all dress like hobos, look like bums. Look so poor, that no self-respecting thief or basher will look twice at you. Don’t carry a mobile phone. Don’t use an ATM. Can you believe this insulting rubbish?

The Commissioner’s spin doctors have gone into overdrive and insist he was taken out of context but this is what Mr. Mushroom told Indian students at a forum on international student safety:

‘Don’t display your iPods, don’t display your valuable watch, don’t display your valuable jewellery. Try to look as poor as you can’.

And the patronising sermon went on. ‘If you can live somewhere safer, live somewhere safer. If you can avoid public transport into high risk areas late at night, avoid it. If you can avoid travelling alone, do so.’

He also warned the students that working as a taxi driver or in a late night 7-11 is a risky job.

This is the chief cop in this state telling people your trains aren’t safe, the suburbs you live in aren’t safe, the jobs you have to do aren’t safe.

And seeing that he also claims most of the attacks on Indian students are not racially-motivated but robbery-related that means he’s talking to everybody.

Nobody should take public transport, or wear jewellery, or work as a taxi driver, or live in some suburbs. ‘Try to look as poor as you can’. That sends a great message overseas.

I’m sure the Indian students will love that. They can stay in Mumbai and look poor Mr. Mushroom.

Maybe the education providers need to introduce a course titled Streetwise 101. Nah..I just think Mr.Overland needs to do a better job!! :mad:
 
So, a few indians get beaten up, one murdered in undefined circumstances and all of a sudden we are a racist country.. Pfffttt....

Anyone with an IQ great than 2.75 can see through the nonsense straight away..

I would love to see the figures for those 3 rough weeks for indian imigrants, Just how many other austrailians and ethnics we assaulted in that time frame? and how many indians have been murdered in Aus. Vs. other nationalities in the last 12 months?

India would have to be one of the most corrupt nations that come to my mind..

One story from india that always jogs me when I think about it is that of forging medicine supplies, I remeber one article about heart medication (for angina) a group of reporters got together and went to a manufacture to ask about forging it, they had a meeting about the supply of the medication, during it it was aked how low purity could be made, they said "we can put as little as 10 percent in if you like, actually we could put none in if u really want to cut production costs" and what about the packaging in particular the hologram " we can replicat that 100% dont worry"..

This is just one story about indias corruptin, and here they are worried about a few students been beat up....

Here is one article in relation, I cant find the one i mentioned but I am still looking...

http://www.india-server.com/news/twenty-per-cent-of-drugs-sold-in-india-1079.html
 
Just for the record, I do not condone any of the "perhaps" racist beatings, but I think India’s government should perhaps look at there own backyard before making such outrageous and potentially damaging statements.

Australia, IMO would have to be the worlds leader in multiculturalism, however what most Australians do not tolerate is non conformance form immigrants, you will find the average Aussie, is not racist, you only need to look at all the riots etc. to see who is at the forefront of these uprisings…

Its time we people of the world left our differences behind us and worked together for the good of humanity…. I know this is a wishful statement, and is likely to never happen, but how nice would it be???
 
Monario said:
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Australia, IMO would have to be the worlds leader in multiculturalism, however what most Australians do not tolerate is non conformance form immigrants, you will find the average Aussie, is not racist, you only need to look at all the riots etc. to see who is at the forefront of these uprisings…

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According to some academics multiculturalism sooner or later will experience explosion of simmering tensions.

Australia is creating a time bomb, and now it is only matter of when.
 
I enclose two examples of Indian Racism.
The first is from the Times of India, reporting on the unfortunate death of the Indian toddler in Melbourne.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videoshow/5646404.cms

Indian toddler found dead, Australian police clueless
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The second details the disgraceful racism against the Bihar people , a poor Northern Indian State and Culture, looked down upon by other Indians, attacked and vilified, and denied job opportunities in southern states of India,

After the attacks on Uttar Pradeshi's and Biharis in October 2008, a Punjabi group called the Dal Khalsa, carried banners and placards that read “Punjab for Punjabis” and “Return migrants, Save Punjab”. Dal Khalsa president H.S. Dhami urged the Punjab government to frame rules and evolve a strict migration policy to curb immigration. "We chose this occasion of 42nd anniversary of Punjab Day as we thought it was an appropriate day to air our resentment against the heavy influx of migrants. The migration from Bihar and Uttar Pradesh in large numbers is unwelcome and unacceptable,” Dhami suggested that states should issue permits to curb unchecked influx of migrants.
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http://bihar-network.ning.com/forum/topics/antibihari-sentiment-in-india

So before Indian consuls in Australia and the Indian press start mouthing off about racism here (of which I am sure there is some, they should put it in context, as in their own country racist crimes are a hundredfold of that which occurs in Australia.

gg
 
I checked out some online Indian newspapers this evening after the news of the arrest of the Indian in relation to the 3 year old's death to see how it was reported. The Times of India just carried the story with little detail. I then looked at how that story was reported over the last day or two and also that of the Indian who caught fire when he tried to set his own car alight. All of the stories had feedback from readers at the end of the articles. I was horrified at the racism the Indian responders expressed towards Australians. Very uninformed in many respects and of a degree that would not be tolerated by our press.
 
Mickel said:
And the latest news regarding the Indian toddler's death in Melbourne is that another Indian (one of 10 or 11) living in the same house but not related has been charged with manslaughter of the toddler tonight.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/03/07/2838854.htm
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To top it off, I believe he is also a cab driver?

Hmmm..

Remember the "cabbie riot" in Melbourne where hundreds of Indian cabbies protested loud and hard against "racist violence" perpetrated by "white Australians"?

Well, I expect this latest "revelation" of how Indians mistreat each other then instantly blame it on "Ozzie racism" should go down well with some late night cab patrons from now on. :cool:


*NEWS FLASH*

Early morning police news indicates the offender had gained entry to Australia as a student using falsified documents.

Scum.

[size=+4]WHERE ARE THE BLAZING HEADLINES IN INDIA NOW???[/size]
 

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