Oh that's funny. A 'scientist' interviewing a regular joe, and he still manages to stuff up the last 10 years of data.
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Oh that's funny. A 'scientist' interviewing a regular joe, and he still manages to stuff up the last 10 years of data.
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"And a score of of other creative quotes that come from some mindless lying piece of xxxx and eagerly quoted with no effort at verification because why bother bother with reality when loud lies will suffice"
You are absolutely right Wayne. We are being played.
Basilio,
As indicated, I lifted that straight from another forum. They could very well be inaccurate or out of context. I have no reason to believe they are at this stage however.
If you can refute these quotes, or put them into a different context, I would appreciate you doing so before any "mindless lying piece of xxxx" accusations are laid.
The ball is in your court, I am ready and willing to stand corrected.
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Simple Wayne. The comments you have repeated would be considered outrageously libelous given the people being quoted. You seem to have simply repeated these comments and have taken them on face value.
I have seen enough of what passes for debate on this issue to recognize a pack of misrepresentations and lies. If you can't provide the evidence to substantiate such grave allegations then you shouldn't be repeating them and this forum shouldn't be spreading them.
That's why we have laws about slander and libel.
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Basilio,
I have in fact secured what are purported to be the sources of the quotes. They seem to be genuine. There are in fact many more along these lines. However I will take some time later on to verify them.
But what I have in front of me right now, I have no reason to suspect they are frauds. The original collation resides on a public website, so if there were any libel issues, they would have been taken down.
Remember that the ultimate defence of libel/slander is the truth.
That you have automatically presumed them to be lies, says what?
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Well wayne if you believe that because a public website contains information that hasn't been taken down it must be the truth -- I have a few bridges to sell
you..About my presumption of lies or misrepresentation? Question of credibility Wayne. After a time when I see certain sources create and repeatedly report statements that don't coincide with reality I will give these sources very little credibility in the future. I won't trust them. All I will do is admire the very creative way they have have attempted to manipulate the reader. For example I have seen the outrage of scientists who have watched in disbelief as websites routinely quote selective parts of what they say and then skip lines to come up with a totally dishonest statement.
Using "quotes" from people to make them look like liars, con men, dishonest whatever is a highly effective method of destroying a person. Which makes it even more important to ensure these quotes are real - not manufactured, twisted or talking about a totally different topic.
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Basilio,
Here is one very easily verified:
"The only way to get our society to truly change is to frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe."
- emeritus professor Daniel Botkin
It was taken from the article here: http://www.americanenvironmental.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=28
My only cripe is that sans a context, one is left to infer it. However, the quote is accurate and on the public record. Here is the except it came from:
Here is one very easily verified:
"The only way to get our society to truly change is to frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe."
- emeritus professor Daniel Botkin
It was taken from the article here: http://www.americanenvironmental.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=28
My only cripe is that sans a context, one is left to infer it. However, the quote is accurate and on the public record. Here is the except it came from:
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Well wayne if you believe that because a public website contains information that hasn't been taken down it must be the truth -- I have a few bridges to sell
About my presumption of lies or misrepresentation? Question of credibility Wayne. After a time when I see certain sources create and repeatedly report statements that don't coincide with reality I will give these sources very little credibility in the future. I won't trust them. All I will do is admire the very creative way they have have attempted to manipulate the reader. For example I have seen the outrage of scientists who have watched in disbelief as websites routinely quote selective parts of what they say and then skip lines to come up with a totally dishonest statement.
Using "quotes" from people to make them look like liars, con men, dishonest whatever is a highly effective method of destroying a person. Which makes it even more important to ensure these quotes are real - not manufactured, twisted or talking about a totally different topic.
Methinks he doth protest to much.
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So exactly how much rope do you need Wayne? The comment attributed to Daniel Bothkin simply wasn't his. As you point out he was quoting some other colleagues ideas. In fact he seems to be saying that he believes in open and honest assessment I suppose without undue exaggeration. How would he feel if he saw his name associated with statement he does not agree with ?
And yet your source manages to do exactly what I was saying before - deliberately twist and manipulate a statement to convey the completely opposite intention.
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Well The American Environmental Coalition was certainly an interesting website. It's list of supporters starts with Pat Roberston from the Christian Evangelical right, sweeps up the astro turf entities of The Cato Institute, Junk Science and Frontiers for Freedom and originally was set up by aides and staffers for Rebublican nominee Mitt Romney.
And why was it set up ? To attack John McCain on Climate Change in the last election.
http://www.desmogblog.com/romney-tied-to-global-warming-denier-group
One can check out all the links on the site for documentation on the above allegations.
As for Daniel Bothkin? The quote is still a misrepresentation
And why was it set up ? To attack John McCain on Climate Change in the last election.
http://www.desmogblog.com/romney-tied-to-global-warming-denier-group
One can check out all the links on the site for documentation on the above allegations.
As for Daniel Bothkin? The quote is still a misrepresentation
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You're dreaming.So exactly how much rope do you need Wayne? The comment attributed to Daniel Bothkin simply wasn't his. As you point out he was quoting some other colleagues ideas. In fact he seems to be saying that he believes in open and honest assessment I suppose without undue exaggeration. How would he feel if he saw his name associated with statement he does not agree with ?
And yet your source manages to do exactly what I was saying before - deliberately twist and manipulate a statement to convey the completely opposite intention.
The point is that the public are being played. The quoted excerpt achieves that.
"The only way to get our society to truly change is to frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe" remains substantively an accurate reflection of how the AGW lobby are overstating the effects of co2 increases.
As I stated, I have a problem with the lack of context, but in it's complete context, it is even more damning. The compiler would have done better to include more.
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There's a very good quotes from Wiki
"scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming
They are all referenced and I assume they aren't legal action material.
I'm sure some all the quotes have been done in this thread before, but it's the first time I've seem them all in one spot.
Of course, all the quotes could have been put in there lunatics.
FWIW
"scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming
They are all referenced and I assume they aren't legal action material.
I'm sure some all the quotes have been done in this thread before, but it's the first time I've seem them all in one spot.
Of course, all the quotes could have been put in there lunatics.
FWIW
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Wayne, you are the one that is dreaming, basilio caught you out far and square on that one.
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Lord Monckton Invades SustainUS Booth - Calls U.S. students "Hitler Youth"
WayneL's pinup boy Lord Monckton is one farking ugly farker and a pompous twat to boot.
Lord Monckton concludes: "Don't you dare ever invade any meeting of mine again and behave in that childish, boonish, Hitler-ish fashion. Do I make myself clear?”
I was hoping at that point that the jewish guy would knock Monckton's bulging eyeballs through the back of his head where he would have a better view of the world.
WayneL's pinup boy Lord Monckton is one farking ugly farker and a pompous twat to boot.
Lord Monckton concludes: "Don't you dare ever invade any meeting of mine again and behave in that childish, boonish, Hitler-ish fashion. Do I make myself clear?”
I was hoping at that point that the jewish guy would knock Monckton's bulging eyeballs through the back of his head where he would have a better view of the world.
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I'm sure Al Gore didn't want to be inconvenienced by this question or his own CO2 omissions.
It's pretty hard not to be sceptical about the expensive charade that is COP15.
The climategate emails are how old?
It's pretty hard not to be sceptical about the expensive charade that is COP15.
The climategate emails are how old?
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When exactly did you graduate from kindergarten Macquack? Childish, puerile stuff there mate.
I note Macquack is silent about the silencing of climate critics questions.
I also note Macquack is silent on the putrid corruption and politicking amongst climate scientists, yet becomes pedantic in the extreme when it suits his view.
The extreme cognitive bias is plain for all to see.
pffft!
Maybe, but doesn't seem to be anyone's fool, unlike the rest of those people in those two videos. Regardless of the facts on climate change, there's a lot of activists who nothing about it. It is a religion, and that's exactly what certain people want.
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C'mon Wayne, you would have to admit Monckton makes Marty Feldman look mighty handsome!
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Monckton is no scientist, just a self-promoting personality. He tackles some easy pickings in those two videos (as you point out) and struggles to articulate his argument before reverting to his "Hitler" slur. Irrespective of his argument, how could anyone take this guy seriously.
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Yes I found that interesting. Obviously their group leader's name is Simon.
But Monk Tongue plays it up for the camera too.
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C'mon Macquack you have got to rise above that from an analysis perspective. The guy might have ping-pong eyeballs but really what he is saying about increased food costs for the 3rd-world are not without merit.
You see as an old hand used to taking out garbage and recycling the good stuff, I'm not against environmental solutions. But I certainly am not going to swallow the dog**** spewed by the populists, because most people cannot comply with greater taxes.
If you want a good read on Monckton as a former adviser to the Iron Lady, read this book Thatcher's Gold by Paul O'Halloran and Mark Hollingsworth.
He's a scientist which I am not, but it could be worth a read to understand some more about the unspoken elite involved.
Anyway this is all about redistributing the burden to the average punter. That's the whole problem IMHO.