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The climate alarmists maybe feeling the heat more than they wished for as "Climategate" is about to open a can of worms ahead of Copenhagen as the director of the embattled Climatic Research Unit in the United Kingdom is stepping down pending an investigation into allegations that he overstated the case for man-made climate change.
Read the remainder here;
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...er-email-scandal/story-e6frfku0-1225806022990

I wonder what KRudd will say about that one.. He swallowed too much C02.. The heat got to him...He had a melt down...

Bring on the double dissolution ...:p:
 
I'm not sure you should be quite so gung ho about an imminent double dissolution election, Lasty. There wouldn't be a chance of the Coalition winning at this stage imo.
 
Julia said:
I'm not sure you should be quite so gung ho about an imminent double dissolution election, Lasty. There wouldn't be a chance of the Coalition winning at this stage imo.
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Maybe not Julia however with Rudd's mysterious behaviour of late with his,wastage of stimulus to dead people, $1 billion for extra bureaucrats, border control debarcle, his rant about climate change and I expect his carry on in Copenhagen will be a special, Labor may find itself in a spot of bother.
Rudd is a lose cannon and I dont expect those votes to fall into the coalitions laps but independants and a senate change maybe loosen
Labors powers.
 
You can read the original announcements on the Climate Research Unit (CRU) website http://www.uea.ac.uk/mac/comm/media/press/2009/nov/homepagenews/CRUupdate. You'll note that Fox has changed standing aside to standing down; maybe Fox doesn't recognise a difference.

On the same page is the statement, which to my knowledge has not even been challenged let alone disproved, that more than 95% of the CRU data is easily available and has been for years.

It's worth noting that the Climate Research Unit (CRU) collates data from many sources, and it's only one of several collating centres. This page is a collection of links to openly available data http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/data-sources/. This one is a collection of links to papers about various areas of climate related science http://agwobserver.wordpress.com/.

Neither claims to be complete, but at the very least they should give us non-scientists some sense of how much can be found even by non-specialists.

Ghoti
 
OMG - not another climate change thread.

Maybe one of the mods should start an 'Aussie Climate Change Forum'? :rolleyes:
 
First post on the forums:)

Anyway, the whole anti-climate change stuff that has confused some people to whether globalwarming exists echoes a previous issue years ago with the Tabaco industry. The tobaco industry lobbyists were able to blur the line with society making people question if Tabaco actually causes cancer. Only difference now is that the world is alot more open with communication networks and the internet can make it easier for these lobbyists.

Unfortunately, these lobbyists are actually making progess as they move to confuse the world.

:2twocents
 
Well it was called Global Warming before and now its called Climate Change. They had to change the name because for the last 11 yrs the globe has been cooling and they would have looked ridiculous still running with the Global Warming title.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299079.stm

Lets tackle real environmental issues like deforestation, soil erosion due to incorrect land you, contamination of fresh water supplies.
 
kitehigh said:
Well it was called Global Warming before and now its called Climate Change. They had to change the name because for the last 11 yrs the globe has been cooling and they would have looked ridiculous still running with the Global Warming title.

Lets tackle real environmental issues like deforestation, soil erosion due to incorrect land you, contamination of fresh water supplies.
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Climate change is the effect of global warming not another name.

The climate has not been cooling for the last 11 years, actually in 1998 the climate temperature spiked due to the high heat caused by the el nino year. The following year, the temperature regain where it left off before the el nino year and continued rising to this day. Hope that makes sense. :)

An approach to global warming would help all those areas in the environment, and promote industry in electricity and environmental growth.

The ClimateGate issue is merely the problem of a scientist who mucked up his study and changed the results so he would have something to report on. Happens in science sometimes.:)
 
BigWillieStyles said:
First post on the forums:)

Anyway, the whole anti-climate change stuff that has confused some people to whether globalwarming exists echoes a previous issue years ago with the Tabaco industry. The tobaco industry lobbyists were able to blur the line with society making people question if Tabaco actually causes cancer. Only difference now is that the world is alot more open with communication networks and the internet can make it easier for these lobbyists.

Unfortunately, these lobbyists are actually making progess as they move to confuse the world.

:2twocents
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Oops, BigWilly. Perhaps you should take a little more care before putting your foot in the water. Tabaco is a city in the Philippines; not noted for causing cancer.
 
BigWillieStyles said:
First post on the forums:)

Anyway, the whole anti-climate change stuff that has confused some people to whether globalwarming exists echoes a previous issue years ago with the Tabaco industry. The tobaco industry lobbyists were able to blur the line with society making people question if Tabaco actually causes cancer. Only difference now is that the world is alot more open with communication networks and the internet can make it easier for these lobbyists.

Unfortunately, these lobbyists are actually making progess as they move to confuse the world.

:2twocents
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LOL

There is a slight difference.

There is evidence that tobacco causes lung and other cancers. That smoking causes cancer qualifies as a bona fide theory as scientists are able to make fairly accurate predictions about smokers in contrast to non-smokers.

Climate scientists have spectacularly failed to predict anything with regards to the effect of co2, except in hindsight. In trading we call that curve fitting. Climategate has exposed this "inconvenient truth" to the satisfaction of all except the most religiously faithful climate cultists.

BTW

Global Warming exists. Global Cooling exists. Climate Change exists. Climate can change without warming or cooling.

The debate is over to what extent, and by what mechanism climate change is influenced by humans.

But holy crap! We've been through this a million times already. The co2 climate klaxon cult has been torn a new one repeatedly by fact, yet they come back for more. :eek:
 
The alarmists are in retreat. Note the last line, the source...no less than the Pravda on the Yarra

The good thing is people can now see the tactics of the alarmists and their army of bovver boys. You can read the emails online and then you can read the sly attempts to explain away the misdeeds. Despite their feigned reasonableness and world-weary calm over the email scandal, climate alarmists are in a mad fumbling panic. They are exposed as dangerous megalomaniacs, foolish, but with enormous power.

Their power came from the complicity of the media and because it suited a certain type of politician to build a new bureaucracy and pose as an environmental saviour, never having to face up to the consequences of being wrong.

Source: theage.com.au
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http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/climate-doomsayers-caught-out-20091126-jsa7.html
 
Julia said:
I'm not sure you should be quite so gung ho about an imminent double dissolution election, Lasty. There wouldn't be a chance of the Coalition winning at this stage imo.
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Julia, with the tide starting run against Rudd on this ETS and the fact that it is emerging as a conspiracy and a scam, Abbott with a united party,and the tools and the amunition now avaiable to him, he could beat Rudd with a well oiled campaign. I would not write him off atm.
 
ClimateGate has been out for several days now, now the fun begins as slowstream media can't contain it any longer.

http://www.express.co.uk/ourpaper/view/2009-12-02

Story here
http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/143573
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Professor Ian Plimer condemned the climate change lobby as “climate comrades” keeping the “gravy train” going.

In a controversial talk just days before the start of a climate summit attended by world leaders in Copenhagen, Prof Plimer said Governments were treating the public like “fools” and using climate change to increase taxes.
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wayneL said:
The debate is over to what extent, and by what mechanism climate change is influenced by humans.

But holy crap! We've been through this a million times already. The co2 climate klaxon cult has been torn a new one repeatedly by fact, yet they come back for more. :eek:
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Really?

Weren't there some infrared satellite pics taken that showed heat being built up at the co2 wavelength? Has this been "torn a new one"? Can you link me up? that's something that would interest me.

Cheers
 
HankMoody said:
Really?

Weren't there some infrared satellite pics taken that showed heat being built up at the co2 wavelength? Has this been "torn a new one"? Can you link me up? that's something that would interest me.

Cheers
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Oh crap!

Some Gormon apostle has linked ASF to The Church of Al Gore of Latter Day Alarmists! :cautious: :banghead:

Now... as you are the one making particular claims from left field, I would have thought the onus was on you to provide a link.

Something that hasn't already been comprehensively trashed by real world observations and suspect anyway, because of a discredited and humiliated branch of the scientific community. That would be good. :cool:
 
lasty said:
I dont expect those votes to fall into the coalitions laps but independants and a senate change maybe loosen
Labors powers.
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Oh there would be change in the senate for sure with ALL the senate seats vacated and up for grabs because of the DD...i would expect both the Libs and Greens to lose senate seats to Labor...the 2 ends of the political spectrum would be hammered IMO.

noco said:
Abbott with a united party,and the tools and the amunition now avaiable to him, he could beat Rudd with a well oiled campaign. I would not write him off atm.
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LOL u have got to be kidding...united party :shake: well oiled campaign :silly: you are dreaming and in total denial. :screwy:
 
alphaman said:
What I want to know is, should I try to reduce carbon emission or not? Is there an agreement on this?
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To the extent that you can do so easily, obviously it makes sense to do so. Fossil fuels have other non-CO2 impacts on the environment, are a finite resource and a likely source of future military conflict (oil and gas but not coal in this latter context).

But to the extent that reducing consumption sees millions unemployed and millions more starve plus a whole range of new non-CO2 environmental damage caused, well you'd want to have a very convincing reason before going down that track.
 
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