Joe Hockey for PM

[Timmy]

Who is Joe Hockey?
What does he stand for?
Seems like a nice enough chap, is he up to leading the Opposition against the Rudd government?

 

[Putty7]

Seems like a nice enough guy as far as pollies go Timmy, not sure if he's up to the main job, then again can't be any worse than Turnball.

 

[explod]

Who is Joe Hockey?
What does he stand for?
Seems like a nice enough chap, is he up to leading the Opposition against the Rudd government?

Negativity is what has been retarding Liberal opportunities. Hockey gives the appearance from the bit I can observe of being objective and optimistic. The Liberals sufffering the same fate in Victoria. Whether they like it or not continual crticism of the opposition on every point, when most think the Government are doing a fairly good job (wheather we like that or not) becomes dross and a pain.

He looks the best at this stage. Never a Liberal myself, but if they were to be more constructive it will help everyone, good oppositions are neeed as in the great phrase of Don Chip "to keep the bar...ards honest". Don Chip was not a negative, allways optimistic and much admired by all.

 

[Beej]

Who is Joe Hockey?
What does he stand for?
Seems like a nice enough chap, is he up to leading the Opposition against the Rudd government?

Well we know he believes anthropogenic climate change is occurring, and he also believes Australia should introduce a cap and trade based ETS. However, if elected leader he will have to instantly betray these beliefs and policy position.

So like every other politician he will drop what he actually believes in a heartbeat in order to pursue the ultimate goal - power for powers sake. At least under these circumstances the electorate will know his true colours from day 1 if he becomes Lib leader!

Cheers,

Beej

 

[Calliope]

I doubt that Joe Hockey will be able to match Tony Abbot in the cojones department.

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2009/11/30/1225805/212259-tony-abbott-091130.jpg

 

[Timmy]

I doubt that Joe Hockey will be able to match Tony Abbot in the cojones department.

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2009/11/30/1225805/212259-tony-abbott-091130.jpg

LOL!

Please don't post a pic of Joe in in similar attire ....

 

[doogie_goes_off]

Big Joe can only be described by one phrase "No Balls". Abbot would make him look second rate and is a genuine conservative alternative albeit I can't abide him.

 

[moXJO]

Well we know he believes anthropogenic climate change is occurring, and he also believes Australia should introduce a cap and trade based ETS. However, if elected leader he will have to instantly betray these beliefs and policy position.

So like every other politician he will drop what he actually believes in a heartbeat in order to pursue the ultimate goal - power for powers sake. At least under these circumstances the electorate will know his true colours from day 1 if he becomes Lib leader!

Cheers,

Beej

I didn't know that Rudd’s ets was the 'Be all, and end all' of trading schemes. The libs are allowed to want their own platform (despite the deniers, they did campaign on an ets during the last election). You can believe in anthropogenic climate change, but not be in favor of Rudd’s ets.
I think the current emphasis is on waiting until after Copenhagen, before we shoot business economy into the unknown.


On a side note, I don't think Joe has what it takes.

 

[sam76]

I used to enjoy watching the Hockey v's Rudd stoushes on Sunrise many years ago...

he would be a formiddable opponent

 

[Julia]

is he up to leading the Opposition against the Rudd government?

No.

 

[nomore4s]

No.

Problem is they don't really have many other options

 

[Julia]

Problem is they don't really have many other options

That's quite true. Doesn't alter the fact that Rudd & Co will make mincemeat of Joe Hockey in about a minute.

 

[Putty7]

That's quite true. Doesn't alter the fact that Rudd & Co will make mincemeat of Joe Hockey in about a minute.

Think you are right Julia, I quite like Joe Hockeys character as he would relate well to the average Australian, but I don't think he is the one to put his foot down and get the rest of the Libs to pull there heads in and toe the line, I'm not that fond of Tony Abbott but think they are in need a pitbull and not a lovable teddy bear to stand up to Rudd.

 

[derty]

Maybe for leader of the Libs. They will need a greater man than Hockey to get the Libs anywhere near power.

current standing:
Turnbull: elitist wanker
Abbott: godbothering wanker
Hockey: anointed by the desiccated coconut.

Either way these guys are in the political boondocks for a while yet.

 

[Donga]

That's quite true. Doesn't alter the fact that Rudd & Co will make mincemeat of Joe Hockey in about a minute.

And there's the rub. Howard knows it as does Minchin, Abbott & co. Joe is the fall guy markII. So big lovable Joe will have a honeymoon period with the electorate then get belted, they lose the election and the right wing will wheel in who they really want.

In the meantime think there is a chance of the Liberal/Nats splitting, as the conservatives don't seem to understand that Rudd has firm control of the centre. And wouldn't surpise me if Turnbull resurfaces in again, though not with the Liberals - new Republican Party?

Abbott strong? In a religious conviction sense - easy for him to be guided by those principles, am not convinced he really understands 21st century Australia and especially global dynamics.

 

[moXJO]

Turnbull might just survive. Fielding is calling for a royal commission into the ets. Hope this ets gets delayed either way.

 

[bryan_palmer]

Maybe for leader of the Libs. They will need a greater man than Hockey to get the Libs anywhere near power.

current standing:
Turnbull: elitist wanker
Abbott: godbothering wanker
Hockey: anointed by the desiccated coconut.

Either way these guys are in the political boondocks for a while yet.

One of them, from this day onwards, will wear his leadership like a crown of thorns...

 

[bloomy88]

Problem is they don't really have many other options

That's an understatement

 

[Calliope]

Hockey will contest the leadership on the basis that that the Liberal senators get a free vote. In this case there are enough "laborals" in the party for the vote to get up and all this upheaval would have been for naught.

The final vote will be between Hockey and Abbot i.e. between the "laborals" and the conservatives. It will be a close vote, but that is how the party is divided

Many in the party are really Labor at heart, and post-Howard a unified party is a thing of the past.

I am conceding gloating rights + ETS to the Left.

 

[Julia]

Hockey will contest the leadership on the basis that that the Liberal senators get a free vote. In this case there are enough "laborals" in the party for the vote to get up and all this upheaval would have been for naught.

The final vote will be between Hockey and Abbot i.e. between the "laborals" and the conservatives. It will be a close vote, but that is how the party is divided

Many in the party are really Labor at heart, and post-Howard a unified party is a thing of the past.

I am conceding gloating rights + ETS to the Left.

That's exactly as I see it, Calliope.
All this drama and they will end up where they would have had they allowed Mr Turnbull to have his way in the first place.

I have zero respect for Joe Hockey. He said he would not challenge Malcolm Turnbull. But apparently some technicality has been unearthed whereby the spill will occur, Turnbull will get tossed, and Hockey will be able to move in without actually putting up a challenge.

For god's sake, what rubbish. If he doesn't have the ticker to actually come out and challenge Turnbull he should get back in his corner.

And then apparently he is agreeing to the whole proposition if everyone gets a free vote. More nonsense. Conscience votes should be restricted to personal/moral questions, not matters of policy like this.

The whole thing has done indescribable damage to the coalition. The members of Monty Python could not have done it better.

They deserve every bit of the scorn and derision which will inevitably be directed towards them by the government.

About the only politician who is genuine in his beliefs and holds true to these is Bob Brown. I'd never vote Green, but I respect their lack of guile.