Boat People

[Wysiwyg]

That's a very impressive sounding statement, but I'm not really sure what it means. Could you put it in more simple terms?

People try to exploit the qualities of compassion and humane by claiming they are refugees when in fact they are not. Identifying who the exploiters are from the genuine refugees must be difficult for the authorities as observed with the boat people incidents. Apart from media reports I don't know anything about the actual circumstances of every boat person.

 

[Calliope]

All is not lost. The Indonesian president has given the obnoxious Rudd the brush-off. The Indonesian solution is dead in the water.

 

[bunyip]

People try to exploit the qualities of compassion and humane by claiming they are refugees when in fact they are not. Identifying who the exploiters are from the genuine refugees must be difficult for the authorities as observed with the boat people incidents. Apart from media reports I don't know anything about the actual circumstances of every boat person.

I presume you mean the quality of humanity, rather than the quality of humane.

The authorities shouldn't have to sort the genuine refugees from the pretenders. The whole damn lot of them should be turned away if they've arrived in our wates or on our shores without applying through the legal channels and due processes that apply to everyone else who wants to come here.

If this imbecile Rudd hadn't been so downright f-----g stupid as to dismantle the strong deterrent measures put in place by the Howard government - measures that were proving very effective in curbing the number of boat people - then we wouldn't have this ridiculous and continuously escalating problem of illegal boat people invading us.

How can we ever hope to solve the problem of boat people and illegal immigration if this idiot of a Prime Minister who some of you foolishly voted into power, keeps laying out the welcome mat for them.
All he's doing is pouring fuel on the fire, and he's too dumb to realise it.

 

[Nyden]

I presume you mean the quality of humanity, rather than the quality of humane.

The authorities shouldn't have to sort the genuine refugees from the pretenders. The whole damn lot of them should be turned away if they've arrived in our wates or on our shores without applying through the legal channels and due processes that apply to everyone else who wants to come here.

If this imbecile Rudd hadn't been so downright f-----g stupid as to dismantle the strong deterrent measures put in place by the Howard government - measures that were proving very effective in curbing the number of boat people - then we wouldn't have this ridiculous and continuously escalating problem of illegal boat people invading us.

Quite. Just send them back to Sri Lanka, it's really that easy.

 

[Calliope]

Quite. Just send them back to Sri Lanka, it's really that easy.

Or their Indian homeland where I am sure they would be welcome. Or perhaps they wouldn't. India is more wary than we are about letting in terrorists, and these people have a bad record in Sri Lanka for pillage and murder and suicide bombing

 

[pilots]

I find it strange that the boat people pay around US$5000 to get here, now for that amount of money you can set your self up in India for ever, no war, same kind of people, same language, same food. Thank you Krudd.

 

[Mofra]

I find it strange that the boat people pay around US$5000 to get here, now for that amount of money you can set your self up in India for ever, no war, same kind of people, same language, same food. Thank you Krudd.

Source?

 

[pilots]

Source?

Source, I have lived and worked in India, still communicate regular with Friends who are still working in India. For US$10,000 you could buy a whole village.

 

[dbcok]

How silly all of this distant judgement becomes.
Last week I heard the ususal Adelaide radio segment with protaganists Chris Pyne Liberal and Chris Schacht (ex labor senator)

I will paraphrase them-

Pyne..These people (Refugees) paid $15000 US to secure a passage to Australia.

Schacht...Before second world war Jews paid large sums to escape Nazi Germany.Are you suggesting that people should not use their money to escape to safety?

Pyne...No one is suggesting people should not be able to use their money.

That is the type of disingenuous rubbish that politicians put up.Now who would listen to politicians?

 

[Mofra]

Source, I have lived and worked in India, still communicate regular with Friends who are still working in India. For US$10,000 you could buy a whole village.

No, I meant what is the source that says they pay that sort of money to come to Australia by boat? That seems a rather high amount knowing the conditions some of the genuine refugees live under, especially considering that a plane fare & fake passport would be much cheaper.

 

[pilots]

No, I meant what is the source that says they pay that sort of money to come to Australia by boat? That seems a rather high amount knowing the conditions some of the genuine refugees live under, especially considering that a plane fare & fake passport would be much cheaper.

Any of the boat people will tell you what they have payed,(do you think the smugglers do it for free??) The last boat that was stopped and some shooting took place, the boat people had just done a pass the hat around and had to get US$50,000 yes 50,000 so as the Indonesian boat police/navy would let them pass. They have money. This source was from the ABC Radio yesterday.

 

[noco]

I received this information in an email the other day. I have not checked its accuracy but it makes for interesting reading.

The Australian Federal Government provides the following financial assistance:-

FOR AN AUSTRALIAN AGED PENSIONER
Weekly Allowance $253.00
Weekly Spouse Allowance $56.00
Additional Weekly Hardship Allowance $0.00
Total Yearly Benefit $16,068.00


FOR AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT/REFUGEE LIVING IN AUSTRALIA
Weekly Allowance $472.50
Weekly Spouse Allowance $472.50
Additional Weekly Hardship Allowance $145.00
Total Yearly Benefit $56,680.00


Hmmm... Something to think about...

After all, the average Australian Aged Pensioner has paid taxes and contributed to the growth of this country for the last 40-60 years...

Asti, I do not know where you obtained your imformation regarding the refugee allowances or how you checked the authenticity, but I have been advised from reliable sources, it is NOT true.

Suggest yiu check again.

 

[Mofra]

Any of the boat people will tell you what they have payed,(do you think the smugglers do it for free??)

No, surely you don't think anyone actually thinks that?

The last boat that was stopped and some shooting took place, the boat people had just done a pass the hat around and had to get US$50,000 yes 50,000 so as the Indonesian boat police/navy would let them pass. They have money. This source was from the ABC Radio yesterday.

That is a helluva lot of money especially considering likelyhood of local earning power - I hope the tracking of the source of funds isn't lost in the debate over status & method of arrival.

 

[bigdog]

Let me see if I understand all this...

IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOUR.

IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.

IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.

IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.

IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.

IF YOU CROSS THE AUSTRALIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET A JOB, A DRIVERS LICENCE, SOCIAL SECURITY CARD, WELFARE, FOOD STAMPS, SUBSIDISED RENT , FREE EDUCATION, FREE HEALTH CARE, A LOBBYIST IN CANBERRA AND IN MANY INSTANCES YOU CAN VOTE.

 

[lasty]

How many travel agents get you to hand over $5000 and promise you the trip of a life time? Travel agents are pseudo "people smugglers"

 

[pilots]

Let me see if I understand all this...

IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOUR.

IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.

IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.

IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.

IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.

IF YOU CROSS THE AUSTRALIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET A JOB, A DRIVERS LICENCE, SOCIAL SECURITY CARD, WELFARE, FOOD STAMPS, SUBSIDISED RENT , FREE EDUCATION, FREE HEALTH CARE, A LOBBYIST IN CANBERRA AND IN MANY INSTANCES YOU CAN VOTE.

Come on Bigdog, you are just mad that the Krudd Dud is getting lots of new voters in to Australia, and guess what they will all vote for him

 

[Wysiwyg]

Let me see if I understand all this...
IF YOU CROSS THE AUSTRALIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET A JOB, A DRIVERS LICENCE, SOCIAL SECURITY CARD, WELFARE, FOOD STAMPS, SUBSIDISED RENT , FREE EDUCATION, FREE HEALTH CARE, A LOBBYIST IN CANBERRA AND IN MANY INSTANCES YOU CAN VOTE.

Love those hard hitting facts.

 

[lasty]

Love those hard hitting facts.

Actually its the rise in the CO2 levels that are forcing the boats to Australia.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Actually its the rise in the CO2 levels that are forcing the boats to Australia.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[Happy]

Not long before we get to boat a day, then it will be great Border Control achievement if we will only get a boat every second day (50% reduction).