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bunyip said:
Ruby is on the right track.....put rainwater tanks on every house, with government subsiding the cost.
Tanks wouldn't entirely solve the water shortage but they'd certainly relieve it. It's surprising how little rain it takes to fill a tank. And it's surprising how many times it rains, even during a drought.
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Good points. Practical solution involving everyone.

And free up natural water supplies that are tied up by the bloody greenies. Julia makes a good point about the abundance of fresh water on Fraser Island. Just a small portion of that water piped to the mainland would go a long way towards supplying the water needs of south east Queensland.
And it could be done without upsetting the eco system on Fraser Island and in the surrounding ocean.
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Bad points. The natural beauty of Fraser Island need not be further destroyed. Have to draw a line in the sand there. :)
 
2020hindsight said:
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hey Sdajii
there's no place for scientists in SE Qld apparently
;)
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He told us he was a biologist. There was no mention that he was also an expert in Surface-Water Hydrology and rainfall patterns. I hope they can use his scientific expertise wherever he is now. Our loss is their gain.
 
Wysiwyg said:
Good points. Practical solution involving everyone.

Bad points. The natural beauty of Fraser Island need not be further destroyed. Have to draw a line in the sand there. :)
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That's a bit silly. Why would it compromise the beauty of Fraser Island to put an undersea pipeline from the outlet at Eli Creek over to the mainland?
You'd never see the damn thing. You'd still have all the freshwater lakes and everything else just as it always has been on the Island itself.
 
Julia said:
That's a bit silly. Why would it compromise the beauty of Fraser Island to put an undersea pipeline from the outlet at Eli Creek over to the mainland?
You'd never see the damn thing. You'd still have all the freshwater lakes and everything else just as it always has been on the Island itself.
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Julia, this is the thinking we have to leave behind. Sucking megalitres of water from a spring is a short term solution and will not last forever.
The whole fresh water usage system may need a complete overhaul. Do better with what we have is my belief.
 
The water just pours into the open sea. It doesn't recirculate back to where it came from!!

"Do better with what we have"? When the population is going to quadruple in the foreseeable future? Get a grip.
 
Calliope said:
He told us he was a biologist. There was no mention that he was also an expert in Surface-Water Hydrology and rainfall patterns. I hope they can use his scientific expertise wherever he is now. Our loss is their gain.
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since we're splitting hairs, what's your expertise Calliope?
 
Julia said:
The water just pours into the open sea. It doesn't recirculate back to where it came from!!

"Do better with what we have"? When the population is going to quadruple in the foreseeable future? Get a grip.
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Sorry Julia but if Homo Stupid wants to increase numbers beyond what the environment will support then I have no pity nor solution. Consuming everything thing in their path like a slow moving plague of locusts. Leaving behind a desolate wasteland strewn with carcasses from the gluttonous feed.
 
Wysiwyg said:
Sorry Julia but if Homo Stupid wants to increase numbers beyond what the environment will support then I have no pity nor solution. Consuming everything thing in their path like a slow moving plague of locusts. Leaving behind a desolate wasteland strewn with carcasses from the gluttonous feed.
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:topic An interesting philosophy Wysiwyg. I suppose you are one of a small minority who can look the GW alarmists in the eye and say "bring it on, we deserve it."
 
I say we need all the dams we can build and we should also take as much water from other areas as we can. To hell with the consequences, I should be able to wash my cars and have showers for as long as I want.

Can I join the Calliope, noco, julia club now? Or do I need to be more self-centered?
 
Wysiwyg said:
Julia, this is the thinking we have to leave behind. Sucking megalitres of water from a spring is a short term solution and will not last forever.
The whole fresh water usage system may need a complete overhaul. Do better with what we have is my belief.
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Wys......
You didn't answer Julia's question, which was 'Why would it compromise the beauty of Fraser Island to put an undersea pipeline from the outlet at Eli Creek over to the mainland?'
You say 'do better with what we have'.
I agree. And a good example of doing better with what we have would be to utilise a small portion of the fresh water from Fraser Island, providing it can be done with little impact on Fraser's ecosystem and the surrounding ocean, and providing it can be done without compromising the natural beauty of the island.

It makes sense to utilise our natural resources - BUT, only if we do so in a responsible manner.
It's disgraceful how some of the river systems in NSW, and the ecosystems that depend on them, have been destroyed by excessive water harvesting for irrigation and electricity purposes. That's environmentally irresponsible behaviour of the worst kind.
But a small portion of Fraser Island's fresh water resource could be utilised without any such disastrous consequences.
Water tanks on every house would be a great help towards relieving the water shortage, but they can only do so much.
A prolonged dry spell would see water tanks run dry.
 
bunyip said:
Wys......
You didn't answer Julia's question, which was 'Why would it compromise the beauty of Fraser Island to put an undersea pipeline from the outlet at Eli Creek over to the mainland?'
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What about the path across Fraser Island to the water. The bee line would need to be wide enough for the pipe laying of diameter unknown. Maybe chainsaws and bulldozer for this. Then the infrastructure at the take off point. All this concrete, steel, plastics, rubber etc. are there permanently. Even after the last drop from source has gone. Natural wonders are places where man shall go to observe and shall be preserved for eternity.

If not for the environmental groups and government "intelligence" we would have stripped the island bare by now.

note ... it may be the run-off to ocean you are thinking of capturing?
 
Gamblor said:
I say we need all the dams we can build and we should also take as much water from other areas as we can. To hell with the consequences, I should be able to wash my cars and have showers for as long as I want.

Can I join the Calliope, noco, julia club now? Or do I need to be more self-centered?
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It's by invitation only, Gamblor.

Do you have any practical suggestions for supplying water to the projected increased population, or is it your preference to just sit on the sidelines and snipe at anyone who is attempting to canvass other options?
 
Wysiwyg said:
What about the path across Fraser Island to the water. The bee line would need to be wide enough for the pipe laying of diameter unknown. Maybe chainsaws and bulldozer for this. Then the infrastructure at the take off point. All this concrete, steel, plastics, rubber etc. are there permanently. Even after the last drop from source has gone. Natural wonders are places where man shall go to observe and shall be preserved for eternity.
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If the water is already flowing down a river and into the sea then there's absolutely no possibility that putting it into a pipe instead will somehow use it all up. If it's going to run out then it's going to run out anyway since it's already flowing down the river.
 
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