On the subject of energy saving light bulbs, the ones i have tried only work sometimes, they are in the hallway in our house at the moment and half the time you turn them on and nothing happens but then the next day they work fine. Anyone else had this problem??
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On the subject of energy saving light bulbs, the ones i have tried only work sometimes, they are in the hallway in our house at the moment and half the time you turn them on and nothing happens but then the next day they work fine. Anyone else had this problem??
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Yes I've had the same problem, you'll find they warm up after a while, but Smurf would be able to answer this better I presume.
They shouldnt have that problem.
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The Age also ran the story regarding the effects of climate change on sea levels around Victoria. It was a bit more expansive on some of the other effects around Australia - increases in dengue fever and so on.
There was one interesting addition. They had a 2 minute video clip highlighting the effects of unabated global warming over the next 40 years. The British government has released a climatic map of the world of 2050 with 4 degrees of warming. Unfortunately that appears to be the result without radical reductions in greenhouse gases in the near term.
Best place to be ? Believe it or not south island of New Zealand.
http://media.theage.com.au/opinion/national-times/catastrophic-climate-change-814281.html
There was one interesting addition. They had a 2 minute video clip highlighting the effects of unabated global warming over the next 40 years. The British government has released a climatic map of the world of 2050 with 4 degrees of warming. Unfortunately that appears to be the result without radical reductions in greenhouse gases in the near term.
Best place to be ? Believe it or not south island of New Zealand.
http://media.theage.com.au/opinion/national-times/catastrophic-climate-change-814281.html
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He looks like a professional academic or "expert" or worse........consultant, revelling excitedly in the bad news like a nerd waiting at the front door of Harvery Norman for the new Windows BS to be released.
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I just went ad bought some dimmer friendly bulbs, they had the curly ones there but they were $33 each for the dimmer friendly ones, what a joke.
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Laughable.
Could, might, may etc.
As the article I posted before shows, their models are a joke.
Sheer scaremongering with zero credible science to back it up.
FFS people let's work on real environmental problems.
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there is not proof that humans are the cause of global warming
imho its all australias fault
we used to be a great nation, we all had incinerators, and burned brown coal in the kitchen ovens in the morning, we had big engined cars that polluted. we had oil heaters and we burned our autumn leaves in piles every year..
wish i could see those days again.. things would be 10 times better climate wise for australia. and the world..
now we are buying globes for $33 and being taken for a ride in a tax exercise that should see the taxpayer fund the next recovery with ease..
keep believing the debate..
i saw the huge (not) protest in melbourne on the sunday.
. lol.. about 300 people were on bikes holding up all the trams and all the traffic.. all of the cars were polluting the atmosphere as they sat there while this tiny crowd of clowns shouted... what do we want? climate change, when do we want it? now!! what a failure!! and it made the news??? wtf??? i love the spin on this climate debate.. its one huge joke...
lets get back to reality and start burning off and living again.. i am fed up with these nonsense panic stories about sea levels rising and climate change
guess what.. we are getting huge rain events right now.. anyone ever thought it through? asked why?
arent we supposed to be in a drought forever? totally cactus?
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I'd frankly like to burn off in the back yard too like i did in the 80's, put the sprinklers on, take a shower without the egg timer on use REAL light globes and throw all my plastic stuff in the general rubbish.
Oh no we cant do that.. The nanny state bureaucrats would cry and then we would need to pay for their therapy.
When is it "club a greenie day".. we have every other day for good causes..
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Part of me can appreciate Mr Burns and Agentum's sentiments. Stuff it we would all like to be carefree like the good old days.
Perhaps continuing the same theme we could enjoy our Camels to our lungs content, we could have those great piss ups in the pub on Saturday night, bash a couple of poofs on way out to car and than have drunken drags down St Kilda rd (without those bloody wussy seat belts !!) and show everyone whose boss. And then on Sunday we could knock up some groovy little extension with the ever practical cement sheet. Ah the good old days...
It is downright scary to consider a future that isn't as sunny as we become accustomed to. If I had to consider another parallel it would be Europe 1936-8 with the growing evidence of Hitlers ambitions. It was not fashionable to be concerned about possible war. People were only too aware of what a real war would mean (WW1 was only 18-20 years old ). Far better to ignore, deny, bluster whatever it took.
The effects of our collective behaviour on the worlds climate won't necessarily happen on the 1st September 2015 . But then WW 2 only started officially on 1st Sept 1939. From Hitlers march into the Rhine 1936, The Sudetenland takeover, destruction of Czechoslovakia, the non aggression pact with Russia -- these were all markers on the road. The final assault on Poland was just the logical progression.
We have had every bit of reasonable scientific intelligence and observation to tell us
1) Our fossil fuel based economy is producing the CO2 that is largely contributing to warming the planet
2) The warming is measurable and real
3) We can see these effects literally everywhere we look
4) If we don't take radical action to change our direction the earth's temperature will increase at a very rapid rate with catastrophic results.
The world ignored Nazi Germany until reality forced a response. It took 50 years of hammering to get the addictive and dangerous qualities of cigarettes publicly acknowledge. (And thank you again to those public minded cigarette companies who on appreciating just how dangerous their products were immediately sought to withdraw them from the market to save millions of needless deaths.....)
And we all remember how hard the wusses had to fight to stop people drinking and driving, to legislate for seat belts to save lives, to demand safer cars, to stop the production of deadly asbestos based products.
And all along the way (and even now) the people that ran these businesses fought bitterly to obfuscate and deny the facts, derided the science, bought off the governments, demanded the rights of the individual to do as they wish and made as much money as they possibly could.
Are there any parallels here ? Only if want to see them.
Perhaps continuing the same theme we could enjoy our Camels to our lungs content, we could have those great piss ups in the pub on Saturday night, bash a couple of poofs on way out to car and than have drunken drags down St Kilda rd (without those bloody wussy seat belts !!) and show everyone whose boss. And then on Sunday we could knock up some groovy little extension with the ever practical cement sheet. Ah the good old days...
It is downright scary to consider a future that isn't as sunny as we become accustomed to. If I had to consider another parallel it would be Europe 1936-8 with the growing evidence of Hitlers ambitions. It was not fashionable to be concerned about possible war. People were only too aware of what a real war would mean (WW1 was only 18-20 years old ). Far better to ignore, deny, bluster whatever it took.
The effects of our collective behaviour on the worlds climate won't necessarily happen on the 1st September 2015 . But then WW 2 only started officially on 1st Sept 1939. From Hitlers march into the Rhine 1936, The Sudetenland takeover, destruction of Czechoslovakia, the non aggression pact with Russia -- these were all markers on the road. The final assault on Poland was just the logical progression.
We have had every bit of reasonable scientific intelligence and observation to tell us
1) Our fossil fuel based economy is producing the CO2 that is largely contributing to warming the planet
2) The warming is measurable and real
3) We can see these effects literally everywhere we look
4) If we don't take radical action to change our direction the earth's temperature will increase at a very rapid rate with catastrophic results.
The world ignored Nazi Germany until reality forced a response. It took 50 years of hammering to get the addictive and dangerous qualities of cigarettes publicly acknowledge. (And thank you again to those public minded cigarette companies who on appreciating just how dangerous their products were immediately sought to withdraw them from the market to save millions of needless deaths.....
)And we all remember how hard the wusses had to fight to stop people drinking and driving, to legislate for seat belts to save lives, to demand safer cars, to stop the production of deadly asbestos based products.
And all along the way (and even now) the people that ran these businesses fought bitterly to obfuscate and deny the facts, derided the science, bought off the governments, demanded the rights of the individual to do as they wish and made as much money as they possibly could.
Are there any parallels here ? Only if want to see them.
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1) Our fossil fuel based economy is producing the CO2 that is largely contributing to warming the planet
2) The warming is measurable and real
3) We can see these effects literally everywhere we look
4) If we don't take radical action to change our direction the earth's temperature will increase at a very rapid rate with catastrophic results.
Are there any parallels here ? Only if want to see them.
Coherence theory abuse and misuse is aiding the lies and claims.
The parallel would be the German people being duped by Nazism much like the believers of today's scams.
It would be nice to see some truth without scaremongering and the abuse of logic.
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This story in the well known Time Magazine a few months over 25 years ago has a completely opposite picture painted for the Earth's future. The heading says it all. Like most people, I wonder what the present scene with apparent global warming is covering up. A prolonged global economic downturn perhaps or the little known fact that crude oil production has peaked and is on the decline. What is the distraction from?
Here is an excerpt from Time Magazine - Science: Another Ice Age.
Here is an excerpt from Time Magazine - Science: Another Ice Age.
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Assuming you have proper 230V supply and there's nothing wrong in that regard, the problem relates to the electronics in the bulb itself, the only realistic solution being replacement.
It works sometimes because of where the sine wave (of the electricity supply) happens to be when you flick the switch. If it's at peak (340V) then the bulb starts, if not then it doesn't. Pure luck with that one and with 50 complete cycles (100 voltage peaks) per second it comes down to luck. If it doesn't work then try switching on and off until you get it going.
Temperature also plays a part in this situation.
One thing about these bulbs though, I really don't like some of the cheap ones sold in discount stores for $2 or thereabouts. Plenty of reports from overseas of them starting fires and I've seen the same ones for sale in Australia. Stick to known brands.
As for others, I don't like the Mirabella dimmable ones because they buzz. Another product I don't like is the Philips "Halotone" 60 and 100W halogens - they fail quickly under non-ideal conditions based on my experience. Other Philips bulbs are fine (though the Ambience type are slow to warm up) but I don't like the Halotone's.
For other energy-efficient products, a few points:
Solar HWS using glycol heat exchange fluid. A nice idea that solves the frost problem until you find out that the glycol needs replacing every 4 years and this is quite expensive.
Any solar or heat pump running on continuous (24 hour) electricity for boost or to run the heat pump. That will give you some pretty high electricity bills and defeat the benefits of going solar economically and to a significant extent environmentally (peak power demands come with a disproportionately high impact). Use off-peak electricity or gas for boosting.
And there's those heat pump water heaters with a boost element that turns on automatically at 5 or even 10 degrees. Totally unnecessary when you realise there are other brands (eg Siddons or Quantum) that have no booster installed and these work fine even in a cool climate (eg Tasmania) in the middle of Winter. So you sure don't need a booster element in most Australian locations. Don't buy one of the big name products that rely on a booster because they have inefficient heat pump systems - they also need 24 hour power supply which makes them expensive to run.
Quantum and especially Siddons work fine on off-peak as long as you buy the right size unit for the application. Given that they only use 30% as much power as a conventional water heater, they cost incredibly little to run if on the cheap off-peak rate.
With water heaters generally, don't forget that if it's an enamel ("glass") lined tank then you need to replace the anode every 5 years otherwise it will rust. Most electric, gas and solar tanks are of this type and the reason they rust out is because hardly anyone replaces the anode. And the anode only costs about $40 from a plumbing supply store (in some states they might not be willing to sell to anyone other than a plumber???). But even if you have to pay for labour, it's still cheaper than a new water heater. This doesn't apply to stainless steel and copper tanks which don't need anodes.
Solar panels for generating electricity (not hot water) on your roof? There are some good deals around (mine cost me absolutely nothing!) but make sure it's installed in the right location (as close to true north as you can get it) as there are some dopey installers out there.
But here's the difficult part - getting your electricity supplier to do their part. Easy in some states (eg Tas) but it's a real minefield in Victoria especially where they seem to have come up with every possible hurdle and cost so as to make the whole exercise a bit pointless. SA they do some funny things too so as to undermine the economics of these systems.
Check locally before you buy one of these systems and make sure they put the panels facing the right way when it's installed. I'd also strongly recommend putting the inverter somewhere not in the sun, preferably under the house (for security). It's an expensive component, $2500+, and they don't like being cooked in the sun.
Like anything there are good products and bad. It's just that with the high up front cost of energy saving devices, you want to get something that works properly and lasts long enough to be worthwhile.
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basilo
china is on of the largest co2 producers on the planet, if you want to follow your line of argument that co2 is relevant, then why exclude the biggest producer? if you look at australia and germany, add all their emissions together, then thats how much more china will produce in the next 365 days than they did last year.. when are you going to learn that burning off, burning coal and keeping the sprinkler on all summer is going to do squat for the planet compared to what you are doing by ignoring the china factor in your grand illusion of climate change!! what china is going to do to you right now is kill you dead if you believe the carbon tripe!!????
but co2 is able to, in a very inefficient way, contain heat, but equally when the co2 is not heated, its inefficiency, as a gas, to be able to contain heat makes it the fastest cooling gas also.. so it heats fast and cools fast..
so if we were heading into an ice age i guess you would be bellowing out the panic slogans that co2 makes it go there faster as it cool down quickly..
its an equally ludicrous argument as the global warming one..
the recent mini ice age recently brought back the glaciers and they are now disappearing naturally as they would coming out of any ice age..
soon europe will be warm in the northern regions, and we will see a different type of crop grown in regions that have not had them grown for a few thousand years now.. but it will happen..
naturally..
china is on of the largest co2 producers on the planet, if you want to follow your line of argument that co2 is relevant, then why exclude the biggest producer? if you look at australia and germany, add all their emissions together, then thats how much more china will produce in the next 365 days than they did last year.. when are you going to learn that burning off, burning coal and keeping the sprinkler on all summer is going to do squat for the planet compared to what you are doing by ignoring the china factor in your grand illusion of climate change!! what china is going to do to you right now is kill you dead if you believe the carbon tripe!!????
but co2 is able to, in a very inefficient way, contain heat, but equally when the co2 is not heated, its inefficiency, as a gas, to be able to contain heat makes it the fastest cooling gas also.. so it heats fast and cools fast..
so if we were heading into an ice age i guess you would be bellowing out the panic slogans that co2 makes it go there faster as it cool down quickly..
its an equally ludicrous argument as the global warming one..
the recent mini ice age recently brought back the glaciers and they are now disappearing naturally as they would coming out of any ice age..
soon europe will be warm in the northern regions, and we will see a different type of crop grown in regions that have not had them grown for a few thousand years now.. but it will happen..
naturally..
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I got Crompton Halogens, the only other ones there were the Phillips swirrly things @ $33 a pop.......no thanks.
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Water is a classic example of using the climate change issue to pursue other agendas. Watering the garden isn't adding much CO2 at all, it's just that in some regions there isn't much water available hence it's a problem. But there's no reason not to have a well watered lawn if you live somewhere that has plenty of water - you're not adding significantly to CO2 emissions by doing so.
Sadly, there seem to be some in the general community that see dead gardens as something we need to accept in order to fight climate change. That's outright nonsense even if we take the CO2 induced warming argument to be totally correct.
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the recent fire in victoria.. it emitted 1/3 of the aussie yearly carbon emission into the atmosphere..
lets not forget that in the west of australia and the nt and norther qld, when it burns there each year, in acreages far larger than anything seen last year in victoria, year in year out, decade in decade out. forever..... just from lightning strikes, they are left to burn, impossible to contain and are part of the natural cycle of the planet, for millennium the volume of co2 produced this way is way way beyond anything australia emits industrially
the massive dust storm that dumped umteen billion tons of soil into the pacific a few weeks back, all that will super enrich the oceans and bring amazing abundance of life to the waters. which means cheaper fish and chips (another carbon polluter with the energy used there).. so lets carbon tax the dust storm also..
so for the sake of it, we should carbon tax ourselves into bankruptcy straight away each year.. we can put in $33 globes till the cows come in.. but its never going to come close to what volcanoes, natural brush fires and everything else put together can equate to..
co2 is a nonsense.. because its being produced naturally in way bigger quantities doesnt mean we should be believing the unproven and very unscientific research that what is happening today is part of what is naturally happening in any case..
carbon is an integral part of the life cycle
next we will hear that the co2 causes the atmosphere to sheer away at a faster rate into space, and we will all die from the solar winds..
you cant tax natural progressions in the climate.. global warming is part of what the planet does. it warms, it cools, it never stays the same..
lets not forget that in the west of australia and the nt and norther qld, when it burns there each year, in acreages far larger than anything seen last year in victoria, year in year out, decade in decade out. forever..... just from lightning strikes, they are left to burn, impossible to contain and are part of the natural cycle of the planet, for millennium the volume of co2 produced this way is way way beyond anything australia emits industrially
the massive dust storm that dumped umteen billion tons of soil into the pacific a few weeks back, all that will super enrich the oceans and bring amazing abundance of life to the waters. which means cheaper fish and chips (another carbon polluter with the energy used there).. so lets carbon tax the dust storm also..
so for the sake of it, we should carbon tax ourselves into bankruptcy straight away each year.. we can put in $33 globes till the cows come in.. but its never going to come close to what volcanoes, natural brush fires and everything else put together can equate to..
co2 is a nonsense.. because its being produced naturally in way bigger quantities doesnt mean we should be believing the unproven and very unscientific research that what is happening today is part of what is naturally happening in any case..
carbon is an integral part of the life cycle
next we will hear that the co2 causes the atmosphere to sheer away at a faster rate into space, and we will all die from the solar winds..
you cant tax natural progressions in the climate.. global warming is part of what the planet does. it warms, it cools, it never stays the same..
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It seems likely any "ETS" will have the biggest immediate impact on all our immediate lives..but I will be buggerred if I have a clue what practical measures are contained in any proposed agreement.
I consider myself well informed, a news junkie and tech literate, so I wonder if other posters are like me, ie not knowing?
I could probably research it of course, but it would seem we are quite likely to get a scheme imposed on us soon, due to agreements etc.
Mr Burns, I would check with the local council re whether any property you buy is on their "maps" for future possibility of inundation, these are available at some councils.
Location, Location..as a RE you will know, for instance, some places round Byron Bay would be mighty hard to sell for a decent price..they are the ones on the news with their front yards washed away.
Fear factor, real or imagined, may cause beachfront to become less desirable, even unsaleable in some cases, in the future.
(Note to self, dont invest in property in Bangladesh)
Climate, weather and sea level changes are historically indesputable scientific facts.
As to whether human intervention affects this now, my opinion: yes
Whether we can succesfully reverse those alterations: probably not.
ps, since my seperate thread about compact fluros being short-lived, 3 more have died in no more than a few months,
still got 2 surviving incandescents, wont be replacing them till they quit, most of the other fluros been replaced at least once!
thanks Smurf for the good quality "energy" posts
I consider myself well informed, a news junkie and tech literate, so I wonder if other posters are like me, ie not knowing?
I could probably research it of course, but it would seem we are quite likely to get a scheme imposed on us soon, due to agreements etc.
Mr Burns, I would check with the local council re whether any property you buy is on their "maps" for future possibility of inundation, these are available at some councils.
Location, Location..as a RE you will know, for instance, some places round Byron Bay would be mighty hard to sell for a decent price..they are the ones on the news with their front yards washed away.
Fear factor, real or imagined, may cause beachfront to become less desirable, even unsaleable in some cases, in the future.
(Note to self, dont invest in property in Bangladesh)
Climate, weather and sea level changes are historically indesputable scientific facts.
As to whether human intervention affects this now, my opinion: yes
Whether we can succesfully reverse those alterations: probably not.
ps, since my seperate thread about compact fluros being short-lived, 3 more have died in no more than a few months,
still got 2 surviving incandescents, wont be replacing them till they quit, most of the other fluros been replaced at least once!
thanks Smurf for the good quality "energy" posts
