Half a million refugees in Australia from 2 islands

[Riddick]

Is it really that great of a problem? Our population is quite low, and our birth rate is only 1.7/1.8 which is below replacement, without net migration, we'd have a shrinking population..

Humans are not salmon. we don't give birth and die, thereby leaving our offspring to maintain the species.

if our birthrate is 1.8 that makes 3.8 units of population for every breeding pair in the first generation.

as a generation span is generally defined by the length of time between average first births and currently new mothers are around 29, that means that every 29 years the 3.8 units of pupulation becomes 5.6 units, assuming the birthrate stays stagnant.

so as humans are clearly not the afore mentioned andromous salmonidae, a birthrate of 1.8 clearly does not mean we will have a population reducing in number in the short term.

so: if a country cannot create enough primary needs for its populace, see water and food, shelter etc as well as gainful employment, then any increase in population will stretch that ability further.

and, if an increasing population, adds to the degradation of national identity, and puts increased strain on the physical environment then,

Yes, an increase in population through migration is a problem.

As far as Kiwi's go, seriously, if kiwi guys come here and marry our chicks count yourself lucky, you just may have dodged a bullet...

Nice one Jono, your posts are always well thought out.

 

[joslad]

I'm more worried about how neurotic our society is becoming as regards political correctness, regulations, anti smoking, anti drinking, RTA and police powers, intolerance for sportsmen who like to drink, intolerance for many things.

Hardly seems a week goes by, without some poor sod having to publicly apologise for some minor indiscretion - usually a sportsman after over-indulging in the after-match celebrations. People need to toughen up a bit and stop being so sensitive. What a joke all this PC crap is ...

As far as Kiwi's go, seriously, if kiwi guys come here and marry our chicks count yourself lucky, you just may have dodged a bullet...

haha - count your blessings when your daughter comes home an introduces the new kiwi boyfriend to the family.

 

[Soft Dough]

Actually, it was Robert Muldoon that made that statement.

Also, as for Zird's naive post - Studies have shown that Australia does very well out of NZ Immigrants. Most are educated in NZ, at no cost to Aus, and have jobs. The idea of NZ'ers being dole bludgers doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

You have obviouslty never lived on the Gold Coast ( not that the Aussies there have much of a brain either I must admit ) but the amount of kiwis there is amazing.

What annoys me is they keep saying NZ is better, well go back bludgers.

 

[joslad]

What annoys me is they keep saying NZ is better, well go back bludgers.

Can honestly say that I have never met a kiwi in Australia that reckons NZ is better.

But the kiwis there no doubt recognise a wally when they see one, and know how to wind you up by saying that!

 

[Julia]

You have obviouslty never lived on the Gold Coast ( not that the Aussies there have much of a brain either I must admit ) but the amount of kiwis there is amazing.

What annoys me is they keep saying NZ is better, well go back bludgers.

Earlier on this thread it was pointed out that most New Zealanders living in Australia have jobs.

If they are in fact receiving any unemployment benefits (and these are I understand much harder to get than they used to be), then rest assured the NZ government is billed for the appropriate amount under the Australia/NZ Reciprocal Agreement.

So it would be good if you could withdraw your comment about Kiwis being bludgers. As a New Zealander who receives nothing from the Australian taxpayer, but who contributes a fair amount of time to the community, I find that comment really crappy.

 

[Soft Dough]

Can honestly say that I have never met a kiwi in Australia that reckons NZ is better.

But the kiwis there no doubt recognise a wally when they see one, and know how to wind you up by saying that!

Was that meant to be funny?

You are ugly!! is that a retort that appeals to your level of humor?

 

[moXJO]

Can honestly say that I have never met a kiwi in Australia that reckons NZ is better.

But the kiwis there no doubt recognise a wally when they see one, and know how to wind you up by saying that!

I agree. Too cold and too slow over there for me. I love living in Australia.

 

[Soft Dough]

Earlier on this thread it was pointed out that most New Zealanders living in Australia have jobs.

If they are in fact receiving any unemployment benefits (and these are I understand much harder to get than they used to be), then rest assured the NZ government is billed for the appropriate amount under the Australia/NZ Reciprocal Agreement.

So it would be good if you could withdraw your comment about Kiwis being bludgers. As a New Zealander who receives nothing from the Australian taxpayer, but who contributes a fair amount of time to the community, I find that comment really crappy.

Oh so you receive nothing from the Australian taxpayer? What a load of rubbish, can you please remove such a crappy statement from your post. Everyone here recieves benefits from the Australian taxpayer.

I will never be convinced that Kiwis here are employed or not involved in crime and are not aggressive, because I have lived in areas where there are a lot of them.

 

[Riddick]

haha - count your blessings when your daughter comes home an introduces the new kiwi boyfriend to the family.

you just might have to put a lock on your beer fridge however and make sure you talk really slowly...

 

[nunthewiser]

Oh so you receive nothing from the Australian taxpayer? What a load of rubbish, can you please remove such a crappy statement from your post. Everyone here recieves benefits from the Australian taxpayer.

I will never be convinced that Kiwis here are employed or not involved in crime and are not aggressive, because I have lived in areas where there are a lot of them.

uh oh


grabs diick chair , sux pack and eats my fush and chups whilst awaaiting Julias riply

 

[joslad]

You are ugly!! is that a retort that appeals to your level of humor?

Doesn't appeal at all. Lacks any imagination and is far too childish..

 

[nunthewiser]

Was that meant to be funny?

You are ugly!! is that a retort that appeals to your level of humor?

Hi soft dough

it has come to my attention that over the past week or so ,you have personally attacked , abused ,namecalled, dribbled hypocritical speeches on low content posts to many posters here.

please feel free to abuse, namecall , personally attack me next

as i am kinda kinky and get right into that stuff


thanks darl

 

[Soft Dough]

Hi soft dough

it has come to my attention that over the past week or so ,you have personally attacked , abused ,namecalled, dribbled hypocritical speeches on low content posts to many posters here.

please feel free to abuse, namecall , personally attack me next

as i am kinda kinky and get right into that stuff


thanks darl

That post does not relate to a previous post which you have obviously failed to read.

Perhaps you should read, and take into context posters of such quality as that, and other inflammatory posters such as Robots before making such posts.

There should be no reason as to why I should not be able to respond to nasty comments. Please, feel free to PM me a message where I have insulted, name called or personally attacked a poster on these forums without provocation.

 

[gav]

hahhaha.. short swim :
I'm sure our army of a few hundred k would be able to prevent any invasion from them considering how under equipped they would be.

Our Army of a few hundred k? LOL!

Our Army has about 43,000 personnel, and more than one third of them are chocco's...

 

[moXJO]

Hi soft dough

it has come to my attention that over the past week or so ,you have personally attacked , abused ,namecalled, dribbled hypocritical speeches on low content posts to many posters here.

please feel free to abuse, namecall , personally attack me next

as i am kinda kinky and get right into that stuff


thanks darl

Hmmm.... he has ripped into tradies and kiwis, which I am both Lucky I'm not a property investor to boot- or it would have been internet forum knuckle time

Soft dough some of your statements even if unintentional are provocation enough

 

[nunthewiser]

That post does not relate to a previous post which you have obviously failed to read.

Perhaps you should read, and take into context posters of such quality as that, and other inflammatory posters such as Robots before making such posts.

.

i have read this whole thread

i have read all your posts

i have read your posts on other threads

i understand ........... you are merely the victim

i have just private messaged everyone that may have a different view point to you , to ask nicely if they could be kind enough to write formal apologies in advance just in case they feel the need to be attacked by you in the future..

thankyou for your patience and understanding on this obviously delicate matter

i will now go sit in the naughty corner with all those other abusive posters like julia etc

thankyou for pointing out where we have gone wrong

a.nun

 

[Soft Dough]

Hmmm.... he has ripped into tradies and kiwis, which I am both Lucky I'm not a property investor to boot- or it would have been internet forum knuckle time

Soft dough some of your statements even if unintentional are provocation enough

Opinions are personal attacks?

You are aware of my opinion on the WAGES and SKILLS of tradesmen
The CONDUCT and CONTRIBUTION of kiwis
the FAILINGS of property on society etc

where does this amount to provocation?

Is it not ok for me to say, for example that property "investment" is bad for the economy but for you to say that it is?

If my viewpoints on certain aspects conflict with yours, it does not amount to a personal attack, just as I do not think you personally attack me with differing viewpoints.

 

[Soft Dough]

i have read this whole thread

i have read all your posts

i have read your posts on other threads

i understand ........... you are merely the victim

i have just private messaged everyone that may have a different view point to you , to ask nicely if they could be kind enough to write formal apologies in advance just in case they feel the need to be attacked by you in the future..

thankyou for your patience and understanding on this obviously delicate matter


a.nun

See, I converted someone, yay to me

No need to PM to give me a formal apology, perhaps PM them to let them know that I am unaware of every particular of their life in detail, and if I write something, just as they do, they need to take it in the context it is written.

 

[nunthewiser]

thankyou soft dough for showing that abuse and namecalling really IS evidence of a limited mind and mental weakness

again thankyou ,

haveaniceday

 

[Soft Dough]

thankyou soft dough for showing that abuse and namecalling really IS evidence of a limited mind and mental weakness

again thankyou ,

haveaniceday

Um, where again?

i will now go sit in the naughty corner with all those other abusive posters like julia etc

Oh yes cause I have personally abused Julia and accused her of being abusive, please do not try to goad me by putting words in my mouth.

I think it is honorable for you to defend her, but for me to say "what a load of rubbish" even as it can be taken out of context in written form, is by no means abusive.