When will Germany be forgiven?

[greggy]

Re: When will Germany be forgiven.........

I also remember Bruce Ruxton head of the RSL for many years could never forgive the Japanese after what he saw them do to Aussies in WW11 but subsequent generations get over it, they have to.

Right on Mr Burns. I can understand the feelings of those who have been affected by the scavages of war. Future generations have moved on.

 

[MrBurns]

How would we feel as Australians if our forefathers had tried to exterminate a race of people or had been a cruel aggressor in war, not a respondent but the aggressor.

Wonder how we would wear it now ?

 

[Uncle Barry]

Mr Burns,
what is your real problem,
we, (not my lot) well the British who came here first, tried their best with the TASSIE Blacks to totally wipe them out, almost did.

Don't hear them crying forever.

 

[overit]

How would we feel as Australians if our forefathers had tried to exterminate a race of people or had been a cruel aggressor in war, not a respondent but the aggressor.

Wonder how we would wear it now ?

Didnt we wipe out a heap of aboriginals here in our very own australia. Not many civilisations without a claim to some form of atrocity against their fellow man I would think.

 

[MrBurns]

Mr Burns,
what is your real problem,
we, (not my lot) well the British who came here first, tried their best with the TASSIE Blacks to totally wipe them out, almost did.

Don't hear them crying forever.

I dont have a problem Unc but I think you just opened a problem of your own.

I could answer that but let's stay on topic.

 

[hijk]

The Germans I know don't identify with the nazi's at all, they're from a completely different era. Australians also have a rich history of genocide but most aussies seem pretty proud of their country.

 

[MrBurns]

Didnt we wipe out a heap of aboriginals here in our very own australia. Not many civilisations without a claim to some form of atrocity against their fellow man I would think.

Yes we did but that was in another time way before modern times, in those days they thought Aboriginals weren't actually human, cant compare that to what this is about.

 

[springhill]

Mr Burns,
what is your real problem,
we, (not my lot) well the British who came here first, tried their best with the TASSIE Blacks to totally wipe them out, almost did.

Don't hear them crying forever.

Speechless.....

:topic, sorry, back to the Germans.

 

[MrBurns]

Speechless.....

:topic, sorry, back to the Germans.

Unless this thread is kept on track it may as well be closed.

Reminder -

This is about how the current generation cope with the sins of their forefathers.

Is it an issue ?

 

[Stan 101]

Mr Burns,

there may be some synergies between the Nazi campaign and the British colonists attacking indigenous Australians.

Yes it was of another time though some concepts ring true in both arenas. There was a belief of superiority within the perpetrators. Both the Nazis and the Colonists belived they were doing the right think in their plans and making a better place.

As for the Germany today, well from a tourist point of view it was a forward thinking, laid back, and chic. There are so many things around Germany to remind people to not forget.

But the few locals and travellers I've spoken to about this topic are resilient not only about the war but also the wall.

cheers,

 

[Gordon Gekko]

The stigma must certainly be something that you as a German would have to get used to. Back then when it was at it's peak everyone new what was going on in Germany, parents, teachers, everyone!
But what about Russia under Stalin or China under Mao, millions lost there lives. Or in the here and now people don't have access to clean water or enough food to eat. The point is we know about it and we live our lives oblivious to it or choose to ignore it. Are we any different to the Germans then? In 50 years from now will the children look back on us and think of us any different then the Germans? I mean we are not putting people in death camps but we are standing by while people are suffering?
I mean I got a world vision boy named Lucky in South Africa through world vision but wooppee ding dong, is that going to change the world?
Ive been lucky enough to have met lots of Germans and I think they are great. What happened is always something in the back of my mind but I never had the balls to ask there opinion on the subject or maybe I thought it was not nice to bring it up.
But I would love to sit down and have a couple of drinks and discuss it with the next German I meet.

 

[springhill]

Unless this thread is kept on track it may as well be closed.

Reminder -

This is about how the current generation cope with the sins of their forefathers.

Is it an issue ?

Seems it's the people who had the sins committed against their forefathers, rather than the ones whose own forefathers committed them, are the ones who are struggling generations down the track.

 

[Calliope]

Their women and their beer make up for everything.

 

[Gordon Gekko]

Their women and their beer make up for everything.

Yes indeed!!!

I'm going to have to go do Germany myself to investigate this in more detail!

 

[So_Cynical]

I must admit that i have a bit of a cringe when the German politicians or the western media go down the quilt road...the same sorta cringe i feel when a high profile Aussie does something cringeworthy.

The Germans are very nice people and the past, really is the past...especially when its over 2 generations ago....ya also have to consider that main stream opinion is so far of base as to the blame for the events of WW2 etc.

There are just so many if's with WW2..it could of went so many ways.

 

[CAB SAV]

Forgiven. Not me. Still Bitter & twisted. Never met Grandfather Felix who was forced with every male aged 16 & over to march into woods oudside town (apprpx 100 miles south of Moscow) ordered to dig a long trench then machine gunned into it & covered over with dirt which still moved for hours till all dead. Rest of family survived concentration/work camps. Have many stories you would not believe or want to hear. Over 20 million Russians killed.

 

[doctorj]

Their women and their beer make up for everything.

There was beer in that photo? All I saw are...

 

[springhill]

There was beer in that photo? All I saw are...

Jugs????

 

[MrBurns]

Forgiven. Not me. Still Bitter & twisted. Never met Grandfather Felix who was forced with every male aged 16 & over to march into woods oudside town (apprpx 100 miles south of Moscow) ordered to dig a long trench then machine gunned into it & covered over with dirt which still moved for hours till all dead. Rest of family survived concentration/work camps. Have many stories you would not believe or want to hear. Over 20 million Russians killed.

Were the Germans involved in death of Russians ?
My history isnt all that good.

 

[doctorj]

Were the Germans involved in death of Russians ?
My history isnt all that good.

Google Stalingrad.

In fairness, the number of Russian deaths was probably almost as much to do with Russia as it was with Germany. Not to mention, if it wasn't for Russia's approach to Poland, it may never have started.