Vestigial Organs evolution myth

[darkside]

Re: Vistigial Organs evolution myth

Darkside,

You might not call people feral, but you accuse people of ideological and misguided rants and then are happy to accuse people of lying and question peoples motives when I stated quite categorically that this thread is not about religion.

The more reasoned posters who actually bothered to read the article saw no problem with the article.

Happy to apologise for calling people feral if those same people give me an apology for accusing me of lying, duplicity, hidden agenda's etc. despite the fact that i repeatedly tried to steer this away from religion.

Read the thread and see how many times i tried to get it back on track and then it was only when personal attacks were made on my integrity I responded to those attacks by calling people feral to describe the nature of those attacks.

I didn't question your motive , i called it, i don't believe anyone on this site is that gulliable not to see straight through your agenda.

I don't think you have to alienate everyone here, but so far your doing a great job and i would't get into a debate with spooly74 if i was you , because i believe you are in way over your head and struggling , thats obvious to all here.

 

[stocksontheblock]

Re: Vistigial Organs evolution myth

I didn't question your motive , i called it, i don't believe anyone on this site is that gulliable not to see straight through your agenda.

I don't think you have to alienate everyone here, but so far your doing a great job and i would't get into a debate with spooly74 if i was you , because i believe you are in way over your head and struggling , thats obvious to all here.

Of course she won't get into it with spooly74, her last posting ..."You just can't keep religion out of it.

Think it just goes to show that as i said before in the area of evolutionary belief, there is a lot of speculation and supposition hence the reasons why there is o many contrary positions.

There may be a majority position but that does not mean it is right."

... was almost an act of contrition. Yet, as I say, almost.

 

[ktrianta]

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I didn't question your motive , i called it, i don't believe anyone on this site is that gulliable not to see straight through your agenda.e.

Well if you call people's integrity into question don't complain if you get characterised as feral.

 

[trainspotter]

Re: Vistigial Organs evolution myth

That is me third from the right - FERAL

 

[stocksontheblock]

Re: Vistigial Organs evolution myth

Well if you call people's integrity into question don't complain if you get characterised as feral.

LMFAO, you really should write a book - "how to win friends and influence people". With the appalling, conceited, know-all, intolerant, devious, and dogmatic approach you have it would be bound to be a best seller.

However, I, amongst many are waiting for your retort to spooly's well researched and argued piece. I know that Scadding was the first hit on your Google search, so you can be forgiven for taking a little longer to reply to it, or is all we will be seeing from your great mind the half-a*sed contrite message which followed his posting?

Ohhh, and as you didn’t bother to answer or reply to the lengthy message that I posted a few days back about your very angry response to people who disagree with you - whoops, everyone who disagrees with you - would you care to explain how, how you can possibly keep religion out of creationism? I am so keen to hear the insight and well researched and put together argument you have. Well, to be honest, anything you get from Google will be a good start.

I'll give you a couple of hours to find something, and yes, in the mean-time I shall look forward to more of your insulting comments, and hopefully this time directed at me.

Ohhh ... and if you think I am having a go at you, then guess what? I am.

 

[stocksontheblock]

Re: Vistigial Organs evolution myth

That is me third from the right - FERAL

I always look forward to your comments TS, they make my day.

 

[ktrianta]

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That is me third from the right - FERAL

What can I say. Love your work

 

[trainspotter]

Re: Vistigial Organs evolution myth

Just a photo of a weekend retreat in Nimbin.

All creeds and all Nations are welcome in Nimbin, a highly tolerant town whose rich multicultural diversity is reflected in the works of our large community of talented Artists and Musicians. (read deranged druggies)

Alternative - land sharing, healing, education, housing and power, cafes, markets and festivals, forests, mountain views, great music and Art are just some of what Nimbin has to offer. (and drug culture at it's finest)

 

[ktrianta]

Re: Vistigial Organs evolution myth

Ohhh, and as you didn’t bother to answer or reply to the lengthy message that I posted a few days back about your very angry response to people who disagree with you - whoops, everyone who disagrees with you - would you care to explain how, how you can possibly keep religion out of creationism? I am so keen to hear the insight and well researched and put together argument you have. Well, to be honest, anything you get from Google will be a good start.

Stocks,

Read your response and thought it was not worth responding to. Quite frankly could not be bothered repeating myself for the umpteenth time so please do not wait for a response because I am not wasting my time.

 

[derty]

Re: Vistigial Organs evolution myth

ktriana, you are a slippery one.

You have said you are here to debate relevance of vestigial organs to the Theory of Evolution. Attacks on your motives aside, you have chosen to not debate any of the scientific oriented discussion directed towards you. There are very valid points raised by stocksontheblock, spooly, trainspotter and myself that have been brushed aside with a minor refutation of a point here or there leaving the the main points ignored.

If you are indeed here to debate, please do so.

 

[ktrianta]

Re: Vistigial Organs evolution myth

ktriana, you are a slippery one.

You have said you are here to debate relevance of vestigial organs to the Theory of Evolution. Attacks on your motives aside, you have chosen to not debate any of the scientific oriented discussion directed towards you. There are very valid points raised by stocksontheblock, spooly, trainspotter and myself that have been brushed aside with a minor refutation of a point here or there leaving the the main points ignored.

If you are indeed here to debate, please do so.

Refer back to the original article published at the start of this thread. Google search the topic and there are many articles there to read if you are truly interested and from different perspectives. Pick the view you like, but the title of the article says it all - vistigial organs not so useless after all".

 

[stocksontheblock]

Re: Vistigial Organs evolution myth

Stocks,

Read your response and thought it was not worth responding to. Quite frankly could not be bothered repeating myself for the umpteenth time so please do not wait for a response because I am not wasting my time.

Ohhh I am so disappointed. As Derty put it, you seem to want to refuse to debate the underlining point of your whole thread. Seems odd doesn’t!?

I happen to think that it’s a very valid question. We feral’s and the like would like to know how you can possibly discuss something like creationism without religion as a central tenant.

Very basic question, vey valid one and one which you seem to continue to refuse to answer, although you continue to poor scorn on those who use it when discussing creationism.

What was it he said ..."come on ktrianta, enthral me with your acumen".

 

[stocksontheblock]

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... but the title of the article says it all - vistigial organs not so useless after all".

But, thats not the title of your thread. You say a myth.

Do I see a very slow back down in the rhetoric.

 

[trainspotter]

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I have lost my ability to read. What my eyes are seeing and my brain is comprehending are not one and the same. The title of the thread is "Vistigial Organs evolution myth" (spelled incorrectly as well but that is another matter) but ktrianta is insisting this "vistigial organs not so useless after all". (same spelling mistake) ... does not compute ... fatal error ... my brain has encountered a problem and needs to reboot.

 

[stocksontheblock]

Re: Vistigial Organs evolution myth

I have lost my ability to read. What my eyes are seeing and my brain is comprehending are not one and the same. The title of the thread is "Vistigial Organs evolution myth" (spelled incorrectly as well but that is another matter) but ktrianta is insisting this "vistigial organs not so useless after all". (same spelling mistake) ... does not compute ... fatal error ... my brain has encountered a problem and needs to reboot.

Ha ... beat you to it this time!

And it's also given me a chance to post my 100th message

 

[ktrianta]

Re: Vistigial Organs evolution myth

Ha ... beat you to it this time!

And it's also given me a chance to post my 100th message

Sorry boys, I am talking about the title of the article. Not the thread. Please read what is written.!!!

Some more random thoughts:

Vestigial features are those parts of an organism, which are thought to be useless or no longer needed. The human tailbone is commonly referred to be such a feature. Vestigial features are taught to be leftover from an organism’s ancestors as it has evolved to a new way of life. The idea of vestigial features has been used as evidence for evolution since 1859 when Darwin first proposed that such features were evidence of descent of one organism from a completely different one. The logical consequence of this alleged transformation is that the "new" creatures will be left with some features, which are no longer needed in its new environmental niche.

Belief in evolution demands that we believe that each type of animal on earth is a result of descent from some previous life form. If this were the case, almost every creature should have many leftover features, which are no longer needed. Yet the more we learn about biology, the more we discover that every part of an organism serves some useful function. For example, the appendix is often said to be a useless leftover part of the human body. We know that the appendix serves as a type of lymphatic tissue in the first few months of life to fight disease. It is no more a useless feature than one of your lungs is useless just because you can survive with only one lung.

The acceptance of the idea that some parts of the human body are useless leftovers has had very tragic consequences. Based on the misguided concept that the human colon was a vestige of the past, Sir William Land and dozens of other surgeons stripped the colons from thousands of patients in order to "cure" a variety of symptoms. Many died. As late as the 1960's many people had their tonsils removed. This practice was again fueled by the mistaken belief that the tonsils were a useless leftover feature from our past. It is now known that they serve as an important disease fighting function and should not be removed.

There are true vestigial features as the blind eyes of cave salamanders. Blind salamanders have non-functional eyes because they live their entire lives in total darkness. At sometime in the past, normal salamanders found a niche in dark caves and apparently only those who mutated to blindness had a need to stay in the total darkness where they could compete for existence without blindness being a disadvantage. However, these salamanders are still salamanders, a mutation to blindness is hardly an upward improvement in complexity, and no new information has been added to the DNA of the salamander.

As to the question of the human tailbone, anatomists tell us that the tailbone serves a very important function in the human physiology. The coccyx (tailbone) is the point of insertion of several muscles and ligaments including the one which allows man to walk completely upright. Without a tailbone, people could not walk in a completely upright manner, dance a ballet, perform gymnastics, or stroll down the street with their arm around their spouse. Hardly a useless, leftover, vestigial feature! The human body is designed for maximum versatility. It is far more versatile than the body of any other creature. What other animal can perform the range of movement required for activities as diverse as ice-skating, pearl diving, skiing, and gymnastics. This range of movement would be impossible without the tailbone.

 

[darkside]

Re: Vistigial Organs evolution myth

I have lost my ability to read. What my eyes are seeing and my brain is comprehending are not one and the same. The title of the thread is "Vistigial Organs evolution myth" (spelled incorrectly as well but that is another matter) but ktrianta is insisting this "vistigial organs not so useless after all". (same spelling mistake) ... does not compute ... fatal error ... my brain has encountered a problem and needs to reboot.

Ah yes , i was beaten for pace by the mighty "trainspotter
" it's all starting to unravel like a piece of torn cheesecloth off the back of a Nimbin Feral

 

[ktrianta]

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Ah yes , i was beaten for pace by the mighty "trainspotter
" it's all starting to unravel like a piece of torn cheesecloth off the back of a Nimbin Feral

So you can't read either!!!

 

[boofhead]

Re: Vistigial Organs evolution myth

The story itself is interesting. I wonder what else we will discover. I'm disappointed that the local newspaper didn't run the story. I wonder how many teachers will continue to teach the myth.

This thread has been an interesting lesson in communication.

 

[stockGURU]

Re: Vistigial Organs evolution myth

Some more random thoughts:

This is just a cut and paste from a creationist website.

http://www.drdino.com/read-article.php?id=9

You keep complaining that people bring religion into this thread but then you go and cut and paste from a religious/creationist website. Why don't you read the statement of faith on the website: http://www.drdino.com/statement-of-faith.php

Also, using the phrase "Some more random thoughts" makes it appear as though they're your thoughts when they're not. They're plagarised from a discredited website run by a convicted criminal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_H..._and_renouncing_citizenship_.281996_-_2006.29

Why don't you try debating with your own words instead of cutting and pasting rubbish from creationist websites?