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Gav wrote "What does paying "marks" that should not be paid have to do with talking back to the umpire or taking out players behind play? Is this what the kids used to do before you paid these "marks", and these "marks" stopped it from happening? I'm not having a go at you, I am just trying to understand your reasoning for it."

It has nothing to do with the point I was making or what I had written Gav. NON inference noted. I understand that you are NOT having a go. I was merely explaining that it teaches my kids discipline and control NOT to do these things.

Consistency is the key to umpiring. I consistently umpire decisions against my team and consistently give the opposing team a "fair go" (in their eyes) It teaches the kids NUFFIN to walk off the field when they have been thrashed. Like I have typed and you have agreed that there is no table, ladder, points etc in UNDER 10's BUT the parents seem to think they are playing for sheep stations.

"Fantastic umpiring. One of the best exhibitions I have seen in 10 & Under's. Thanks to (trainspotter) for giving us a couple of players" is one of the comments from the opposing teams.

If their umpire gives his team kicks in front of goals for soft free kicks (because "Little Johnny" stuck out one hand) but does not pay a genuine mark in front of OUR goals and the reason is to build his players confidence ... how is this "fair"?
 
drsmith said:
I've never played or umpired football but as a general observation I wonder whether this overcomplicates what should be a simple matter.

Surely a mark is a mark and if the ball is dropped it is not.
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Unfortunately not in UNDER 10's Dr Smith. The general idea is to give ALL the players a go at kicking and the basic skills of the game. I had one team who had a "special needs" child in their team. The look on his face when he was given a "free kick" in front of goal for a one handed attempt and subsequently kicked the goal was priceless. I asked my team not stand on the mark and allow him to run into goals and kick his first goal. His team went wild, he went wild, the crowd went wild. Now this is "fair" umpiring. IMO :eek:
 
My son had his first AusKick match. Him and the other 5 and 6 year olds had a great time and the crowd was cheering and laughing. At this level, if you go for the mark and drop it you get a kick and umpires will knock the ball on to spread it round.

Under 10s is a bit more serious and the finals are here so I suppose you want the umpire to be a bit more strict but it is under 10s.

You want the kids to win and feel the game was not too soft, a fine balance.

Maybe you should be a bit tougher to them in finals Trainspotter compared to home away games as the kids and obviously some of the parents really care and it is the end of the year and next year will be much tougher for them. You are the ump though and it is tough out there.
 
*Thanks Knobby22 for the vote of confidence.*

No finals, ladders, tables in under 10's in WA. This is my point. The parents get radically carried away with the whole exercise. It is supposed to be for fun. The kids take it quite seriously as well. I try and make it a bit more "entertaining" for them all and give them instructions on "flooding", running lines in the forward line", "do not kick across goals" to BOTH teams on the field. I also explain every decision I make. "You had 2 hands clean in his back", "Accidental soccer ... PLAY ON" and "Big pack, you are all in it" and "It is getting too rough, back into your positions"

Next year in under 12's the "rules" change to be more serious. There is a winner and a loser, scores are kept diligently, marks have to be held and not fumbled, you are allowed to tackle. Totally different ball game.

Will I umpire next year? Not bloody likely. :mad:
 
Knobby22 said:
.....some of the parents really care and it is the end of the year and next year will be much tougher for them. You are the ump though and it is tough out there.
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This is perhaps the crux of the matter.

Different expectations between the parents and the umpires.
 
trainspotter said:
Gav wrote "What does paying "marks" that should not be paid have to do with talking back to the umpire or taking out players behind play? Is this what the kids used to do before you paid these "marks", and these "marks" stopped it from happening? I'm not having a go at you, I am just trying to understand your reasoning for it."

It has nothing to do with the point I was making or what I had written Gav. NON inference noted. I understand that you are NOT having a go. I was merely explaining that it teaches my kids discipline and control NOT to do these things.
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Really? May want to check your own posts...

trainspotter said:
The reason being that they are a team that understands and is accepting because they realise it is UNDER 10's. The kids know perfectly well what is going on and I have coached them and trained them and I umpire them. It makes them play better by "marking" the ball cleanly, they do not talk back to the umpire, they do not question my decisions, they do not "take out" their player behind play, I could go on and on as to how well this method works.
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Anyway, good luck with your umpiring. But don't go hating on another umpire when he is doing the exact same thing you are (giving the less skilled team more of a go)...
 
gav said:
Really? May want to check your own posts...

Anyway, good luck with your umpiring. But don't go hating on another umpire when he is doing the exact same thing you are (giving the less skilled team more of a go)...
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LOL Gav .. I give up. It seems that what I am writing has not been explained adequately. They are MY kids I am talking about by the way. I am teaching them NOT to do these things. Oh well.

Ummm ... no mention of "hating" other umpires?

Anyways .. thanks Gav, I would love nothing more than to have you "witness" one of my games. Maybe then you will be able to see what I am writing about. :D
 
truevalue said:
I have found after many years that there is a distinct correlation between how good the parent was as a sportsman and how "ugly" or vocal they are at the game.

I have met parents who have been professional players at one stage or another and they are generally very quite, always unconcerned about the game, and usually happy or non commital regardless of the result. The ugly parents are enevitably the ones who didn't have a distingushed athletic career and appear to be making up for their own shortcommings via their children. Just my own observations.
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I agree ( except I was a pisspoor player, but a silent parental observer)

over the years my sons have played Rugby League, and at least 6 of the parents have been NRL players, several played for Australia.

Not once have I ever heard them utter a single shouted barrack.

Even when we lost a Grand Final after the whistle, due to a siren malfunction:mad:..the coach and trainer who were both State of Origin players, and although most of our parents abused the officials, these 2 refused to say a word, or even lodge a protest.

(I thought their eyes were going to pop out of their heads though)

Being a game based around hard physical contact, you see plenty of rough stuff, even at at junior level, lots of aggression

whenever i am a sideline or managerial official, I maintain strict neutrality, that is my effort to make.

we could start a whole new thread about "ugly parents behind the scenes" though
 
PARENTS who disrupt junior sporting events will be ejected from grounds under a tough new QLD State Government push to curb sideline abuse and violence.

The clampdown, which has the backing of Queensland's major sporting bodies, will allow officials to "red card" offenders and halt games until they leave.

A $200,000 Government campaign to eradicate bad behaviour at junior games will be rolled out to more than 2000 sporting clubs from next month.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/sunday-mail/parents-banned-by-refs/story-e6frep2f-1111113714090

Where is my whistle and purple shirt? Might have to move back to QLD.
 
First QLD and now NSW are in on the act !

Bodyguards to protect junior league refs

By Geoff Chambers From: The Daily Telegraph June 25, 2010 12:00AM

PART-TIME "bodyguards" and undercover cameramen will be deployed to junior rugby league matches to protect referees.

The radical move comes as it can be revealed dozens of teenage footy players are being sent off across NSW every weekend for abusing referees and fighting.

http://www.news.com.au/national/bob...nior-league-refs/story-e6frfkvr-1225884030935

MEIN GOTT !! Good old regional WA we just take the abuse !
 
trainspotter said:
First QLD and now NSW are in on the act !

Bodyguards to protect junior league refs

By Geoff Chambers From: The Daily Telegraph June 25, 2010 12:00AM

PART-TIME "bodyguards" and undercover cameramen will be deployed to junior rugby league matches to protect referees.

The radical move comes as it can be revealed dozens of teenage footy players are being sent off across NSW every weekend for abusing referees and fighting.

http://www.news.com.au/national/bob...nior-league-refs/story-e6frfkvr-1225884030935

MEIN GOTT !! Good old regional WA we just take the abuse !
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What has the world become that this is required at Jnr footy but then again my 4 year old plays soccer on Saturday and every week there is a fight and more often than not, the parents say nothing.

Cheers
 
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