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Yep, even better question. Presumably his lust for political power was greater than his convictions about uranium etc.
 
Macquack said:
Peter Garrett is a qualified lawyer (LLB University of NSW).
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An LLB is not a lawyer Macquack. Nonetheless, the goals of most LL.B. programs are to provide a scholarly education, and therefore jurisdictions which offer the LL.B. require additional education or training before a graduate is authorized to practice law.

http://www.petergarrett.com.au Check out his website, not a law degree anywhere to be seen.
 
Peter Robert Garrett AM MP (born 16 April 1953), is an Australian musician, environmentalist and politician. He has been an Australian Labor Party member of the House of Representatives for the seat of Kingsford Smith, New South Wales, since October 2004. After the Labor Party won in the November 2007 election, Garrett was appointed Minister for the Environment, Heritage and the Arts by Prime Minister Kevin Rudd. He was lead singer of the Australian rock band Midnight Oil from 1973 until its disbanding in 2002.

Born in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia, Garrett attended Barker College in Hornsby, before studying Arts at the Australian National University and later Law at the University of New South Wales. About the same time he became a rock singer with the Australian rock band Midnight Oil in 1973, after responding to an advertisement placed by one of the band's founding members Rob Hirst.

He WAS studying LAW but never made it. YES he did achieve his LLB but requires further training to finish his law degree. The programme of study for the common law LLB can be either a graduate-entry degree programme requiring a previous bachelors degree (the duration of which is usually 3 years) or can be undertaken directly after high-school either by itself (the duration of which is usually 4 years) or with another degree (ie. B.Comm/LLB, B.A./LLB or B.Sc/LLB, the duration of which can vary between 5–7 years depending on the specific combination).

Seeing how he was born in 1953 and became the front man for the Oils in 1973 it hardly leaves him much time to obtain his LAW degree. Unless he went to university when he was 16 ??
 
trainspotter said:
He WAS studying LAW but never made it. YES he did achieve his LLB but requires further training to finish his law degree. The programme of study for the common law LLB can be either a graduate-entry degree programme requiring a previous bachelors degree (the duration of which is usually 3 years) or can be undertaken directly after high-school either by itself (the duration of which is usually 4 years) or with another degree (ie. B.Comm/LLB, B.A./LLB or B.Sc/LLB, the duration of which can vary between 5–7 years depending on the specific combination).

Seeing how he was born in 1953 and became the front man for the Oils in 1973 it hardly leaves him much time to obtain his LAW degree. Unless he went to university when he was 16 ??
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What are you going on about, Trainspotter.

Garrett has a undergraduate degree in Arts from the Australian National University. He then completed his LLB, which is a Bachelor of Laws (as in law degree) at the University of New South Wales, graduating in 1977. That would have made him about 24 years of age when he finished his studies.

I will concede that he would require a practicing certificate to act as a lawyer.
 
Thank you for pointing out this absurdity. He must have been a very busy boy studying LAW as well as fronting the Oils. If he was born in 1953 and became lead singer of the Oils in 1973, therefore he would have been 20. To graduate as a BA/LLB as well as lead the rock and roll lifestyle of the jerking motion, bald, dude under the spotlight must have been taxing for him.

Yes ... he needs a further 3 to 5 years of study to become a practicing LAWYER. So technically I will concede that this may be a case of contemperaneous thought process's. In the meantime he is still a hypocrite due to his moral inability to make hard decisions in regards to Uranium Mining in SA. :eek:
 
He is a self admitted lickspittle, abrogating his deeply held beliefs to the ALP caucus line.

I have no respect for the man.

His music isn't bad.

gg
 
Julia said:
Yep, even better question. Presumably his lust for political power was greater than his convictions about uranium etc.
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Peter Garrett realised he was "pissing in the wind" as part of the Nuclear Disarmament Party. Therefore, he chose to become part of the Labor Party where he could actually have a input into government policy.

The fact that he does not get his own way within the Party, is called democracy.

The majority rule and until such time as his views become part of the majority, he is towing the party line or in other words he is being a team player.
 
What is absolutely fascinating to me is the conviction Garrett displayed while in the oils and NDP to then one day become a Federal Environment Minister who approves a new uranium mine.

Never would have thought he would EVER "tow that line".

Well as the saying goes Never trust a Politician...
 
Macquack said:
Peter Garrett realised he was "pissing in the wind" as part of the Nuclear Disarmament Party. Therefore, he chose to become part of the Labor Party where he could actually have a input into government policy.

The fact that he does not get his own way within the Party, is called democracy.

The majority rule and until such time as his views become part of the majority, he is towing the party line or in other words he is being a team player.
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So presumably if the Labor Party opened up 20 more U mines and 20 more U Power Stations , ole baldy would still be a good bloke, is that what I'm hearing?

gg
 
:banghead: NO :banghead:

I am trying to look for the one spark that made us Australian. We believed Peter Garrett when I was growing up. Anti nuclear. Freedom of stance, purveyor of the aboriginals, political thorn in the establishments side, Rebellion in all it's extreme. Sure, he danced funny and had a bald head but by the Crikey his drummer sure backed him up.

You may call this democracy in bold letters but this is no more than social communism at it's finest. Peter Garrett was a man of letters and to somehow be a subservient dog for the Labor Party disgusts me to my core. "I sang for 27 years remonstrating with the establishment about my political views against the destruction of the environment but somehow I must vote with caucus?" Peter Garrett said.

Give me a break. If he is prepeared to change his spinal column for a jellyfish then I renounce all my youth of dancing with a jerking motion and uttering the words "Uncle Sam and Gough was quite enough". Shame Peter Garrett to sell ALL of your idealogy for the sake of a party truce.

My only hope is that he is truly like cancer whereby he starts off slowly but creeps in and as the invidious cancerous cell that he is, will one day have hold of the masters dog that is wagging his tail at the moment.

As for being a LAWYER ... Pishaw I say .... prove me wrong ! LLB from NSW in 1977 is NOT something I would aspire to. Nowhere on his claim to fame does he mention the glorified position of being a LAWYER, undergraduate or otherwise.

www.petergarrett.com.au
 
trainspotter said:
:banghead: NO :banghead:

I am trying to look for the one spark that made us Australian. We believed Peter Garrett when I was growing up. Anti nuclear. Freedom of stance, purveyor of the aboriginals, political thorn in the establishments side, Rebellion in all it's extreme. Sure, he danced funny and had a bald head but by the Crikey his drummer sure backed him up.

You may call this democracy in bold letters but this is no more than social communism at it's finest. Peter Garrett was a man of letters and to somehow be a subservient dog for the Labor Party disgusts me to my core. "I sang for 27 years remonstrating with the establishment about my political views against the destruction of the environment but somehow I must vote with caucus?" Peter Garrett said.

Give me a break. If he is prepeared to change his spinal column for a jellyfish then I renounce all my youth of dancing with a jerking motion and uttering the words "Uncle Sam and Gough was quite enough". Shame Peter Garrett to sell ALL of your idealogy for the sake of a party truce.

My only hope is that he is truly like cancer whereby he starts off slowly but creeps in and as the invidious cancerous cell that he is, will one day have hold of the masters dog that is wagging his tail at the moment.

As for being a LAWYER ... Pishaw I say .... prove me wrong ! LLB from NSW in 1977 is NOT something I would aspire to. Nowhere on his claim to fame does he mention the glorified position of being a LAWYER, undergraduate or otherwise.

www.petergarrett.com.au
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Excuse me if I'm a bit harsh,

But political parties live off dim people like you.

gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
Excuse me if I'm a bit harsh,

But political parties live off dim people like you.

gg
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You are excused Garpal Gumnut.

If you view me as being "dim" because my opinion has been formed by observing a certain person over a very long period and forming a certain judgement about the aforementioned person then yes. How else would one rate a character? By the cut of their cloth? They have a big nose or that they run with the hounds? (bald head in this guys case) For this person to completely change tack is bordering on schizophernic and has destroyed any faith and trust that he built up over his many years of "rage against the machine".

Unlike your good self who drops pearls of wisdom in our little gene pool, I prefer to have a healthy debate on the subject matter at hand. However "dim" you may think it to be. As for the political parties feasting on my bloated carcass, then as long as my lungs will draw breath I will let them sink their daggers into my fetid flesh and gorge themselves silly.
 
trainspotter said:
... If he is prepeared to change his spinal column for a jellyfish then I renounce all my youth of dancing with a jerking motion and uttering the words "Uncle Sam and Gough was quite enough".
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Trainspotter, you have a tendency to pad your argument with waffle and then slip in a few irregularities.
Try "Uncle Sam and John were quite enough" - midnightoil.com - Official Midnight Oil Website.
trainspotter said:
As for being a LAWYER ... Pishaw I say .... prove me wrong ! LLB from NSW in 1977 is NOT something I would aspire to. Nowhere on his claim to fame does he mention the glorified position of being a LAWYER, undergraduate or otherwise.
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Garrett does not list all his qualifications on his website because he knows its a wank to do so.

Peter Garrett AM MP
AM BA (ANU) LLB (UNSW) Hon. D Litt (UNSW) D Univ (GRIFF)
Minister for the Environment, Heritage and the Arts
Member for Kingsford Smith (NSW)
 
Bwaahhah ahahhahah ah haaaaaa I knew I was singing that wrong !!!
" 'Cos Gough was tough til he hit the rough. Hey, Uncle Sam and John were quite enough."

My apologies Macquack, must have been a 2am post. Gee, I have no life if I am in here posting at 2am !! Pffffffffttttttttt !

Anyways. We both agree that he is not a LAWYER. He has an LLB. Still a further 3 - 5 years of training before our litlle Labor party patsy can become a real life practicing one isn't there?
 
trainspotter said:
Anyways. We both agree that he is not a LAWYER. He has an LLB. Still a further 3 - 5 years of training before our litlle Labor party patsy can become a real life practicing one isn't there?
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Since when has it taken 10 years to be a lawyer?

Where do you shunt your trains, Trainspotter?
 
Macquack said:
Since when has it taken 10 years to be a lawyer?

Where do you shunt your trains, Trainspotter?
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I think law is like medicine. Once you graduate you have to go off and do some on the job training and more specialist courses before you get your wings. Not sure about 10 years, but I don't think you graduate from uni and start lawyering.
 

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