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moXJO said:
This columnist is living in the past. Sexual attitudes have changed. Women have just as much right to enjoy sex however they want and not be judged, just as men do. And this is what is happening. Who is this idiot to play the moral police? Withholding sex to get an upper hand of those evil males:rolleyes:
Great philosophy...
"humiliating sex scenarios "

"never demean themselves for male attention"

"Young women need to start taking back their power"

"sex - in whatever form it takes - quickly becomes demeaning when there is an imbalance of power"

"degrade and humiliate themselves "

Sounds like someone has an issue by equating sex and power in such a combative way. Go Go feminazi:D

Just because you enjoy whatever you enjoy, does not mean you do not have self respect. Nor does it mean you are a sex slave or that you are not confident in yourself.

It is people like this that seem to like to demean, and belittle people that may actually be enjoying their lives. At least until stuck up prudes want to interfere.
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Ah, thank you moXJO. I wondered if I was being unreasonable in thinking the same thing. I guess she's appealing to her established readership.

cuttlefish said:
Yes if a player is wrongly accused of forcing themselves on someone then they are deserving of sympathy, and I also would concede that its entirely possible that no 'force' was used in any kind of legal sense in this situation.
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Cuttlefish, why only "in any kind of legal sense"? Is it quite out of the question in your mind that some women are genuinely attracted to this sort of group activity?

Clearly you wouldn't find it appealing. Neither would I. But I'm entirely aware that quite a number of women find it every bit as much, um, fun as do the blokes. I just don't quite get why you are so absolutely certain that this was not the case in this instance.

As Bunyip has said repeatedly: no one here knows what happens.
Perhaps her boyfriend found out about it a few days later, and she realised how silly she had been, therefore went to the police.

I don't know, and no longer really care.
 
In the Tracy Grimshaw interview, Johns said the girl was calling each player forth for a turn during the encounter.
If that is true, (and it correlates with her subsequent statements to work colleagues), then they could rightly assume that she was giving consent throughout the encounter.

By the way, some people like to be spanked, whipped, tied up, or indulge in "gangbangs".
Apparently being dominated turns them on.
 
GOD, look at the name of this website "Aussie Stock Forums"

What THE ??? FOOTBALL ? NRL ? THESE MEATHEADS/MORONS/HOONS and/or LOUTS Making their way to this web site ?

How disturbing, try taking discussions about Friggin' Football to another more relevent forum !

If all men adopted the culture of living as close to our instincts as NRL players, we would be having sex with every female who smiled at us and picking fights with every male who challenges us.

How about we promote the ABC, Classical music, STOCKS AND SHARES and band together to poo poo NRL and all its disgusting culture.

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bunyip said:
Your reference to 'boofhead league players' is a derogatory term and is a clear indication of what you think of them.
I agree with you incidentally - they are indeed boofheads and worse.
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I thought it was obvious that my use of the term 'boofhead' and the term 'gutter dwelling harlot' were both in a sentence that was intended to paraphrase your characterisations of the parties involved - I should have 'quoted' it. It wasn't a reflection of my opinion of league players - though plenty of them are boofheads no doubt about it - but plenty aren't as well.

I'll respond to the rest later in a response to Julia's question and hopefully that will be it from me on this topic.
 
cuttlefish said:
I thought it was obvious that my use of the term 'boofhead' and the term 'gutter dwelling harlot' were both in a sentence that was intended to paraphrase your characterisations of the parties involved - I should have 'quoted' it. It wasn't a reflection of my opinion of league players - though plenty of them are boofheads no doubt about it - but plenty aren't as well.

I'll respond to the rest later in a response to Julia's question and hopefully that will be it from me on this topic.
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GREAT IDEA !!, Move on to chat about STOCKS AND SHARES !!!! Not this moronic game ! :banghead:
 
Julia said:
Cuttlefish, why only "in any kind of legal sense"? Is it quite out of the question in your mind that some women are genuinely attracted to this sort of group activity?

Clearly you wouldn't find it appealing. Neither would I. But I'm entirely aware that quite a number of women find it every bit as much, um, fun as do the blokes. I just don't quite get why you are so absolutely certain that this was not the case in this instance.
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I thought I'd made it clear in earlier posts that I'm well aware that there are men and women that enjoy engaging in group sex. I don't have any great issue with what consenting adults do as long as they are all enjoying themselves. To me the problem arises when men assume that a women making the decision to engage in group sex is not worthy of any respect and thus open season for any kind of treatment regardless of how disrespectul it is or whether she is enjoying it or not.

There are many reasons I believe she was mistreated, some of the main ones are listed below:

* her own emotional account of her trauma on the actual four corners episode was quite believable imo - i.e. I believe that the incident caused her trauma
* The comments from the police officer that investigated the case
* John's extremely emotional reaction, and his and the other players unwillingness to speak freely about the details of what occurred (he continually avoided specific questions from Grimshaw except to say that the girl was a willing participant but when pressed for details wouldn't provide further information).
* The age of the girl - she was considerably younger (11 years younger) than Johns. I don't believe a 19 year old is emotionally equipped to handle the situation she was placed into and John's knowingly placed her in that situation and would have been well aware that she was considerably younger than him.
* The fact that the other players initially entered the room uninvited - regardless of how she subsequently reacted this is an invasion of privicay that would not be considered acceptable for a girl engaging in one-on-one sex so there is no reason it should be considered acceptable just because she was engaged in sex with two men.
* The fact that John's by his own admission apologised to her afterwards for the other players coming in - since when do people apologise after consenting sex?

Whether what occurred was legal rape or not I don't know or really care - but from a moral perspective there are many things that appear to have involved classic predatory behaviour.
 
MS+Tradesim said:
This is the General Chat sub-forum of ASF. Should you wish to only discuss shares you might feel more at home in this area.

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=4
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What The ?? General Chat "sub-Forum" ? Talk about split focus ! This crap gets posted with all the stock market stuff on the home page .. exposing this Football crap with stocks and shares on the same page is just nonsensical.

Meh nuts to humans and their incompetence !:banghead:
 
StockPiles said:
What The ?? General Chat "sub-Forum" ? Talk about split focus ! This crap gets posted with all the stock market stuff on the home page .. exposing this Football crap with stocks and shares on the same page is just nonsensical.

Meh nuts to humans and their incompetence !:banghead:
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OK Cuttlefish....You believe the girl was mistreated - even though you admit you don't know - and you've outlined the reasons for your belief.

It could be argued that any woman in a group sex situation is being mistreated, even if she consents to it.

The question in this incident is whether she was a willing participant, or whether the footballers forced her into it. You've been a staunch defender of her integrity, and you've outlined your reasons for believing that she didn't consent.
Others have put forward convincing arguments that suggest she did consent.
A court would find the footballers had no case to answer, or would find them innocent because of insufficient evidence, regardless of their guilt or innocence.

You won't change your view that she was an unwilling participant and I won't change my view that maybe she was and maybe she wasn't, and that's it's not fair-minded to give the girl all the benefit of the doubt, while disbelieving the version of the footballers.

I think we should agree to disagree on this one, and let it rest at that.

Incidentally, although I disagree with you on this one, I've always had a high regard for the quality of your posts and the level of common sense that's usually evident in your views.
 
A great game of Rugby League last night, champagne football! Except the wrong team won ... :angry:

Meanwhile the AFL, not to be outdone ... has its own controversy.

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Only hope he was on his way to a gangbang or something.

Carry on.
 

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Timmy said:
A great game of Rugby League last night, champagne football! Except the wrong team won ... :angry:

Meanwhile the AFL, not to be outdone ... has its own controversy.

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Only hope he was on his way to a gangbang or something.

Carry on.
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LOLs :D:D...... I like your style Timmy!!!

Not even Duckman would have had the audacity to compare the sinking of the Titanic with the capsizing of a Laser class yacht!!!

Duckman
 
Ben Cousins is such a twit I'm surprised the NRL haven't recruited him to play League!

An up and coming player is Joel Hagan, the 13 year old aboriginal sensation who is currently playing Rugby Union with Queensland's Nudgee College.
He recently scored two tries in his first ever game of Union. In the past he's played both League and Aussie Rules, and was exceptional at both.
He's also a sprint star and is the current Queensland age champion for 100 and 200 metres.
No doubt Nudgee enticed him with a sporting scholarship. I'm pleased he's at Nudgee - it's an outstanding school that not only excels in academic and sporting pursuits, but teaches it's students how to be men as well. Hopefully young Joel will be steered down the right path during his years at Nudgee so that he can make sensible life choices.

The Brisbane Broncos and the Gold Coast Titans have him in their sights and have already given him and his Dad a guided tour of their facilities. I'd say there'll be some fierce competition from the Australian Rugby Union who will also be keen to secure his talent. Or maybe AFL will end up nailing him.

Seems like a pretty decent young feller and I hope he gets in with the right crowd and makes a success of his sporting career and his life.
It'll be interesting to watch his career and see what becomes of him.
 
bunyip said:
Ben Cousins is such a twit.
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Great example of what happens when someone has never had the word "NO" said to them due to their sporting abilities. Pity someone wasn't there for him when he was 16.

Julian O'Neil was the same - playing in the school First XIII while in Grade 9. All he ever knew was adulation and doors opening due to his abilities.

As a result these brats never develop as people, because they never have to. The result is usually a sad explosion when they've either a) passed their used by date and the club doesn't need them anymore, or b) they do something SO BIG that not even their ability can save them.

Duckman
 
Duckman#72 said:
Great example of what happens when someone has never had the word "NO" said to them due to their sporting abilities. Pity someone wasn't there for him when he was 16.

Julian O'Neil was the same - playing in the school First XIII while in Grade 9. All he ever knew was adulation and doors opening due to his abilities.

As a result these brats never develop as people, because they never have to. The result is usually a sad explosion when they've either a) passed their used by date and the club doesn't need them anymore, or b) they do something SO BIG that not even their ability can save them.

Duckman
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Yeh, Julian O'Neil really was a lost cause...so much sporting ability, so much earning power, so little brains and self discipline.
Samantha Riley the swimming star was engaged to him at one stage. She can be thankful she had the sense to dump him - he wasn't exactly model husband material. Wonder what he's doing now.
 
Once more Rugby League has demonstrated the level to which some of their players will stoop during their drunken revelries.

Joel Monaghan and some of his mates in the Canberra Raiders have shown that no act of depravity is beyond them when drunk. Rebecca Wilson has summed it up;


EVERYTHING that is wrong with Mad Mondays, rugby league and social networking was laid bare in horrendous fashion this week.

In what can only be described as one of the most disgusting incidents I can recall in my time covering sport, Canberra Raiders star Joel Monaghan was captured on camera engaging in a sex act with a dog.

The world of rugby league hit an all time low when one of Monaghan's teammates took the photograph on a mobile phone, which showed yet another idiotic mate standing by and witnessing the scene.

The photograph was circulated to two prominent members of the media and then to nearly everybody else later in the week from a fake twitter site in the name of young politician Wyatt Roy.

When I opened my emails on Wednesday, there it was in full living colour. I am hard to shock but I strongly advise anyone who is curious to avoid at all costs looking at the image. It is base, depraved and vile. It is also very difficult to expel from your mind.
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http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/with-mates-like-these/story-e6frepbf-1225948534573
 
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