9/11 and The War on Terror - Al Qaeda Wins

[mayk]

2020, you think CIA will not edit and wiki entry Never trust a wiki, it is the next big propaganda machine, which is unfortunately quoted and referenced as if they are exact facts. DYOR as they say

 

[sinner]

2020, I do not want to get caught up in this really because this is an old topic that I have rehashed a hundred times with many people already.

I will make a few small comments and that's it from me.

1. The CIA, US Army and Egyptian Military Intelligence have all acknowledged Ali Mohamed as being an agent sent by Ayman Al-Zawahiri to try and infiltrate the US intelligence community. Ali Mohamed generated all the Al-Qaeda training material and personally trained bin Laden from information, techniques and manuals gathered from the US Army. I never claimed ANY connection to Operation Cyclone.

2. Hmmm, CNN investigative journalist or FBI Special Agent...who do I trust.

3. Of course no aid was given directly. It is a well known and acknowledged fact (even by the CIA) that American funds and arms were funneled through the ISI (Pakistani intelligence) so as to not provoke direct confrontation with Russia. Anyone claiming the muja'ha'deen fought off the Russians with no assistance should go read up on the military death tolls before and after the Afghans had stinger missiles. Where did those stingers come from? Afghans didn't make them out of their mud, donkeys, hemp or Pakistani imported AK-47s! Charlie Wilsons War is a newish movie you should maybe watch.

4. Last one: your Arabic is terrible. al means "the" and Qaeda means "base". At one point they were even called Qaidat-el-Jihad or something like that, which certanly did not mean The Jihad Database!

 

[LM]

Just the other night we were discussing who had done more damage to the US - George Bush or Osama Bin Laden.

The question is, have you seen them both in the same room together...

 

[2020hindsight]

...2. Hmmm, CNN investigative journalist or FBI Special Agent...who do I trust.

...
3. Charlie Wilsons War is a newish movie you should maybe watch.

4. Last one: your Arabic is terrible. al means "the" and Qaeda means "base". At one point they were even called Qaidat-el-Jihad or something like that, which certanly did not mean The Jihad Database!

2. thanks sinner - I'll check it out but there are a few youtubes as well ... (which I've long since misplaced... )

3 lol - I was one of the first to see it I also knew a few muja's who emigrated to Aus, one with a Russian bullet lodged near his spine. - inoperable.

4. I know no Arabic whatsoever, ... so are you saying that it means "the base"; and that has nothing to do with the list of names of the core of "soldiers" left over from the Russian war? - which is pretty close to , if not the same as, "data base" ?

No biggie m8, but we might as well get to the "truth" of the matter - assuming it's important , which it probably isn't . (well ... the clues for and against at least )

PS Certainly "CIA HQ" probably never heard of OBL prior to his terrorism activities yes?

PS Even McCain acknowledged in the recent debates that they goofed not following up with a smidgeon of aid to Afghanistan after Russia was booted out - which was the conclusion of Charlie Wilsons War yes? - could have avoided the whole mess

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda

Al-Qaeda, alternatively spelled al-Qaida and sometimes al-Qa'ida, (Arabic: القاعدة‎; al-qāʿidah; translation: The Base) is an international Sunni Islamist movement founded in 1988

 

[2020hindsight]

PS Even McCain acknowledged in the recent debates that they goofed not following up with a smidgeon of aid to Afghanistan after Russia was booted out - which was the conclusion of Charlie Wilsons War yes? - could have avoided the whole mess

And the remnants of that "base" - seriously a handful of men !! have now become this massive movement prepared to kill anyone - even Moslem witnesses who are killed accidentally don't worry them .. ("ahh they'll go to Heaven" )

 

[xyzedarteerf]

The Iron Triangle - The Carlyle Group Exposed

The Bush family, the Saudi Royal family, Osama Bin Laden's family and Donald Rumsfeld's inner circle - these are just some of the high profile figures who have played a direct role in the rise of one of the most powerful and influential and secretive firms in Washington. The company is called The Carlyle Group. And in the wake of the events of September 11th and the invasion of Iraq, its power and influence have become significantly stronger. The company operates within the so-called iron-triangle of industry, government and the military. Its list of former and current advisers and associates includes a vast array of some of the most powerful men in America and indeed around the world. This program exposes the history of the Carlyle Group, from it's inception as a private equity firm to it's precent status as one of the largest defence contractors in the world. «(

here's the video just ignore the first 1:45 min is in dutch the rest is in English.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7094545816220336237

 

[2020hindsight]

The Iron Triangle - The Carlyle Group Exposed

thanks xyz
had to wait until after "Galapagos" to watch it (48min sheesh - still a rivetting watch! thanks)

As you say / imply, there are a million bits of evidence there of links between the Bush and Bin Laden families - including representatives sitting together on 9/11 watching WTC unfold

Although I think it's fair to say that Osama was "the black sheep of the family" (yes?) . And the others weren't aware of his actions (?) by which I mean his exact plans for 9/11

27m 40s
On Sep 11 in something of a horrible coincidence, the Carlyle Group was holding their annual investor meeting here in Washington DC at the Ritz Cartlton hotel.
George Bush Senior was (allegedly) at the meeting (but disputed).
The Carlyle group said that he left the night before , and was on his way to some location in the Midwest
I talked to someone who was at the mtg, and they told me that the whole crew of Carlyle , incl Frank Carlucci , James Baker, David Rubenstein, along with Shafiq Bin Laden, (28m30s) who was a representative of the Bin Laden family were all in the same room together watching the events of Sept 11 taking place.

to see a confluence of such international people same time same place – an amazing scene in my mind…

The Bin Laden family had money in Carlyle.
After initially denying this George Bush Snr admitted he met up with them on one of his trips to Saudi Arabia - as a potential investor – which they did.

Bakr Bin Laden never imagined that Osama would do what he did …

so then you roll forward a few years...

Prince Alwaleed .. invested 590 mill into Citigroup
then First Gulf Wart which stabilised the middle east.
Protection against foreign foes
trade boomed as result of war
investment by Saudis in Carlyle group
cozy up with the Royal family as well as the Bin Laden family

Then AQ raises its head –
We asked GWBush to remove his father from Carlyle – because of conflict of interest…

44m10s and 45m20s I almost puked lol ( listening to GW Bush)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Laden_family

Several members of the Bush family are investors in the Carlyle Group, a defense contractor and investment fund with numerous interests in the Middle East, run by former Reagan administration Secretary of Defense Frank Carlucci.[3] The media noted that former President George H. W. Bush attended an investment meeting at the Washington, D.C. Ritz-Carlton hotel on September 10, 2001 and in particular a meeting with Shafiq bin Laden, representing joint interests of the Saudi Binladin Group and Carlyle.[4] (Bush did not attend the morning of September 11, although it has been alleged that the meeting took place during the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Former Secretary of State James Baker was present, along with Carlucci.[4]) The Carlyle and Binladin groups mutually severed their business relationship on October 26, 2001.[4]

Shafig bin Laden, half-brother of Osama's, was a guest of honour at the Carlyle Group's Washington conference at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel on September 11, 2001, and among the 13 members of the bin Ladin family to leave the United States on September 19, 2001 aboard N521DB

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[xyzedarteerf]

Shafiq Bin Laden, (28.30) who was a representative of the Bin Laden family were all in the same room together watching the events of Sept 11 taking place.

screen cap at 42:58mins.
all i am saying is this two guys certainly looked pretty friendly to me, just like long time buddy's.

 

[2020hindsight]

To say nothing of the way this Democrat was treated by the Republicans .. sheesh - just because she exposed the Bushes ( Senior and Junior) as being involved in serious conflict of interest

Bush Snr – someone of that stature, people wondering who this investment group is - worst conflict of interest - i.e. whilst Junior is talking to them about war and other weighty matters, Pappa is talking to them about Carlyle – I find it just disgusting…

“backed by the former president of US” etc

Looked at the Crusader – too big and too slow - Panel recommended the contract be terminated.

Member of the Pentagon has testified “ we don’t want the crusader”

Whistlebloiwer: "Then I found a 400 billion request from the president - so I found it was made by … Carlyle group – and President's father was on the payroll” ... "I voted no…”

... so they dropped it….cancelled the program (not until the company was able to go public - made USD$237 mill in one day )

The whistleblower (photo below) : “I was vilified, I was called unpatriotic, what the Republicans did was (super cunning) to put up a black lady who said she was Democrat etc – see 24m mark …

Whitehouse spokesman :- “The President has full confidence that all members of his family are acting in accordance with ethics laws”

Gee whiz , but the Republicans deserve a long long time in the wilderness don't they? - to get their "ethics" in order!

 

[metric]

this article really demands its own thread....but i'll probably get an infraction if i dare post my own thread....

anyway, finally what some of us have known for ages has finally come out.........

Top Ranking CIA Operatives Admit Al-qaeda Is a Complete Fabrication

Top Ranking CIA Operatives Admit Al-qaeda Is a Complete Fabrication
by Mr. Charrington on January 7, 2008

BBC’s killer documentary called “The Power of Nightmares“. Top CIA officials openly admit, Al-qaeda is a total and complete fabrication, never having existed at any time. The Bush administration needed a reason that complied with the Laws so they could go after “the bad guy of their choice” namely laws that had been set in place to protect us from mobs and “criminal organizations” such as the Mafia. They paid Jamal al Fadl, hundreds of thousands of dollars to back the U.S. Government’s story of Al-qaeda, a “group” or criminal organization they could “legally” go after. This video documentary is off the hook…

See Parts I and II here http://polidics.com/cia/top-ranking-cia-operatives-admit-al-qaeda-is-a-complete-fabrication.html

 

[Calanen]

Things were worse in the Great Depression, and America came back stronger than ever before.

Don't believe the hype. People have been theorising about America's demise and destruction ever since some long haired weirdo hippies revolted against King George - how could they *possibly win* against the King of the British Empire? Sheer nonsense.

 

[dhukka]

this article really demands its own thread....but i'll probably get an infraction if i dare post my own thread....

anyway, finally what some of us have known for ages has finally come out.........





See Parts I and II here http://polidics.com/cia/top-ranking-cia-operatives-admit-al-qaeda-is-a-complete-fabrication.html

I watched this a while back, very good.

 

[Mr J]

Things were worse in the Great Depression, and America came back stronger than ever before.

Don't believe the hype. People have been theorising about America's demise and destruction ever since some long haired weirdo hippies revolted against King George - how could they *possibly win* against the King of the British Empire? Sheer nonsense.

Completely different situation. The US was a producer and creditor nation with potentially massive industrial capabilities. These days it has a consumption-based economy with massive levels of debt.

It is certain (barring some extreme events) that the US will be knocked off as top dog some time in the near future. No-one can say what will happen to the US, but it certainly isn't the superpower it emerged as out of WW2.

The War of Indepedence wasn't nearly as much of a longshot as it is made out to be.

 

[DB008]

New allegations of Saudi involvement in 9/11

Washington (CNN)New allegations have emerged from the man described as the 20th 9/11 hijacker, alleging members of the Saudi royal family supported al Qaeda.

Zacarias Moussaoui, who pleaded guilty in 2005 to six terror-related charges, makes the allegations in a sworn statement contained in a brief submitted Tuesday as part of an ongoing civil case by the families of 9/11 victims.

In the late 1990s, Moussaoui says, he was tasked by Osama bin Laden to create a digital database cataloging al Qaeda's donors. Every day for two or three months, he says, he entered names of the group's donors into a Toshiba computer, along with how much they gave.

"It does not appear that any government other than the Taliban financially supported al Qaeda before 9/11, although some governments may have contained al Qaeda sympathizers who turned a blind eye to al Qaeda's fund-raising activities," the report said. "Saudi Arabia has long been considered the primary source of al Qaeda funding, but we have found no evidence that the Saudi government as an institution or senior Saudi officials individually funded the organization."

Still, the report noted in parentheses, "This conclusion does not exclude the likelihood that charities with significant Saudi government sponsorship diverted funds to al Qaeda."

In a statement reacting to these latest allegations, the Saudi Embassy in Washington said, "There is no evidence to support Moussaoui's claim. The Sept. 11 attack has been the most intensely investigated crime in history and the findings show no involvement by the Saudi government or Saudi officials."

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/02/03/politics/9-11-attacks-saudi-arabia-involvement/