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GumbyLearner said:
Prospector claimed in an earlier post that unlike NRL there were not the "culture" problems in the AFL.
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I have played footy with/against current and ex AFL players and let me tell you AFL has it's fair share of idiots in its ranks and it is naive to think otherwise. Some of the stories I've heard are pretty bad.

What I was refering to was this latest incident with the North players, pretty harmless imo.
 
nomore4s said:
I have played footy with/against current and ex AFL players and let me tell you AFL has it's fair share of idiots in its ranks and it is naive to think otherwise. Some of the stories I've heard are pretty bad.

What I was refering to was this latest incident with the North players, pretty harmless imo.
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I played footy for 10 years as a kid. From midgets onwards... I know all about being on the end of it.

If it was such a trivial issue then the club wouldn't have donated $10,000 to a Domestic Violence charity would they?

Certainly trivial in the minds of the creators.
 
Um, the chicken consented! And the rooster did wear a condom!

Actually, the rooster and chicken thing isn't actually offensive as I dont equate myself to a dead chook! It is probably more offensive to males than females.

Sure, it was a dumb thing to do. Unfortunately footy players get paid too much money for playing football, and not working for their salary in the real world, and so they never grow up and lost touch with what society deems to be appropriate.

The difference with all this is that the AFL clubs reacted; in Rugby, the players almost get congratulated for it.
 
Prospector said:
Um, the chicken consented! And the rooster did wear a condom!

Actually, the rooster and chicken thing isn't actually offensive as I dont equate myself to a dead chook! It is probably more offensive to males than females.

Sure, it was a dumb thing to do. Unfortunately footy players get paid too much money for playing football, and not working for their salary in the real world, and so they never grow up and lost touch with what society deems to be appropriate.

The difference with all this is that the AFL clubs reacted; in Rugby, the players almost get congratulated for it.
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That's an interesting post in light of there being no 'actual culture problem' in AFL clubs. As you posted 2 weeks earlier. Carey glassed woman -> NM Idiot. I agree.

2 weeks later Chicken Video-> NMFC. Not offensive to women but $10K to Domestic Violence charity.

I'm confused about your line of reasoning there Prospector.

What are you saying -> same club different bucket?

or same game different bucket?
 
GumbyLearner said:
If it was such a trivial issue then the club wouldn't have donated $10,000 to a Domestic Violence charity would they?

Certainly trivial in the minds of the creators.
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We will have to disagree here, imo it is political correctness gone too far. Of course money was going to get donated to charity as it is all about image and perception.
It was a stupid thing to do and letting it get posted on the net even dumber but at the end of the day it was harmless.

Prospector said:
The difference with all this is that the AFL clubs reacted; in Rugby, the players almost get congratulated for it.
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I also agree with this, the AFL clubs certainly appear to be more proactive and professional. Also I don't think too many clubs would have looked to kindly on one of its star players being so drunk he couldn't remember anything a week before the first game of the season.
 
The difference being in that no-one can control individuals. People will always do stupid things and have lapses of judgement. But it is what happens before and after the event which determines whether the problems are entrenched within the culture of the club (and therefore encouraged/supported by the club management) or whether they are merely the actions of a stupid person.

For instance, there is no AFL club that would hold a booze filled players even just prior to the opening of a new season, or even during it. Rugby? Well, they do.

Carey is an individual who screwed up badly, but he was booted from the team by management and despised by his team mates.

Bock - he too screwed up badly and his career has now been put on hold - no excuses, nada!

The North Melbourne thing - again two people did a stupid thing and the club has acted. I still am not offended by it, but obviously the club was and chose to make the donation.
 
I was poo-poohing this research when told about it today, then had a look at the article and the authors.

By the way, it is AFL players not for Rugby ones!

I studied Psych at Uni with Jack, went to his wedding and he went on to become a Chief Psychologist in Adelaide's Mental Health Service, particularly within Nash House, which houses the criminally insane, have met Jeff Bond and he and Sandy have both worked under hubby in elite sporting circles. They probably know their stuff!;)
 
While I am no big league supporter, I think both men and women seem to have lost all sense of decency when on the grog. While men cop a fair whack of the stick of blame (and with good reason) Women’s drinking problems or violence problems are largely ignored. And I have seen a lot these last few years.
With the feminization of men in progress, certain women seem to be developing all the males’ bad characteristics and also flaunting it.
 
GumbyLearner said:
This is a culture problem.

You can say all you like about the NRL, but AFL clubs have their share of violent drunken idiotic bastards who come home and lay into their wives and kids too! There is no room to delineate between the two.

I agree with you nomore4s, it is a society problem regardless of code.
But it is also a myth to think otherwise.

:2twocents
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Gumby, I don't know of your background but you have to be kidding yourself.

When you look at the AFL and see the leadership and character of the very top superstars such as James Hird, Matthew Lloyd, Nathan Buckley, Chris Judd, Nick Reiwoldt, Matthew Pavlich - I don't see their peers in the NRL. Someone such as Matthew Johns in a "position of leadership" at Cronulla, shouldn't have been engaging in a "team bonding session" in Christchurch.

I put some of the difference between the codes to the involvement of women. The AFL has a huge female audience and also involvement at grass roots level. It has impacted on AFL being less of a "boys club".

I can remember when Channel 9 and the NRL trialled broadcasting the team song being sung by the victorious team (like the AFL).......only one problem, the songs were a disgraceful mix of blue language and bawdy drinking tunes with some sexist remarks thrown in. Imagine how hard it is going to be for David Gallop to turn around the NRL image when it is built on "cornerstones" such as these.

Both code have got their "dickheads".....it is just a representation of the general society - however, in general, the culture of the AFL is considerably different than that of Rugby League.
 
Largesse said:
get over it.
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Do you have any empathy for the girl at all? Or do you see this as simply an annoying blip on the radar that doesn't deserve any media coverage.

If no one knows about it - then it didn't happen - right?

I agree that the timing is very questionable BUT don't defend the players. It was almost vomitious the other night on the Footy Show watching all the "mates" basically dry humping Matty Johns for the anguish and hurt he is now going through. Give me a break - tell me who was in the position of power? The Cronulla football team or a 19 yr old female employee of a motel?

I feel for the families of the players.......but it's a pity the players didn't think more about their families before their actions.

Duckman
 
moXJO said:
While I am no big league supporter, I think both men and women seem to have lost all sense of decency when on the grog.
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The thrill of the chase. Inhibitions subside. The chicks love it. It`s exciting.
 
Duckman#72 said:
Gumby, I don't know of your background but you have to be kidding yourself.

When you look at the AFL and see the leadership and character of the very top superstars such as James Hird, Matthew Lloyd, Nathan Buckley, Chris Judd, Nick Reiwoldt, Matthew Pavlich - I don't see their peers in the NRL. Someone such as Matthew Johns in a "position of leadership" at Cronulla, shouldn't have been engaging in a "team bonding session" in Christchurch.

I put some of the difference between the codes to the involvement of women. The AFL has a huge female audience and also involvement at grass roots level. It has impacted on AFL being less of a "boys club".

I can remember when Channel 9 and the NRL trialled broadcasting the team song being sung by the victorious team (like the AFL).......only one problem, the songs were a disgraceful mix of blue language and bawdy drinking tunes with some sexist remarks thrown in. Imagine how hard it is going to be for David Gallop to turn around the NRL image when it is built on "cornerstones" such as these.

Both code have got their "dickheads".....it is just a representation of the general society - however, in general, the culture of the AFL is considerably different than that of Rugby League.
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Its basically a NRL working class versus an AFL middle class beatup.

Johns is a disgrace.

So are many of the AFL guys.

The NRL guys are working class, not as bright and don't have the assets to defend themselves as well as the AFL do.

gg
 
Largesse said:
............ you are judging the league players but not the woman who consented to gangbanging five rugby players?

ok...................................
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Blackening the character of the victim is the time honoured defence for sexual predators.
 
Calliope said:
Blackening the character of the victim is the time honoured defence for sexual predators.
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What victim & what predators?

The police have investigated & they have shut the case.

The girl got what she want 7 years ago & now she is making money off it.

Good for her & bad for the footy players, they are the ones who are getting the **** end of the stick.
 
chrislp said:
What victim & what predators?

The police have investigated & they have shut the case.

The girl got what she want 7 years ago & now she is making money off it.

Good for her & bad for the footy players, they are the ones who are getting the **** end of the stick.
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This post gives a good insight into your character and ethical standards.
 
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