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THE Federal Government has announced the "largest infrastructure decision in Australia's history" after deciding not to award the National Broadband Network contract to a company.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said the Government would go ahead with plans to build a national fibre-to-the-home broadband network that was up to "100 times faster than what many people use now".
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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25301681-5005961,00.html

Well, well.

Just gotta wonder where this Pandora's Box is going to end up. Will Tel$tra still have the last laugh (IMO only possible IF they can get unwired G3 to 40MB or faster at competitive rates??)

Feel free to comment....


aj
 
This is nice, but why do I need it?

Unless I get 1000gb of transfer a month along with the speed, it's rather useless. What do I need to access in Australia requires a 100mbps connection to download effectively? I have 24mbps presently, and do not require that most of the time.
 
Aussiejeff said:
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25301681-5005961,00.html

Well, well.

Just gotta wonder where this Pandora's Box is going to end up. Will Tel$tra still have the last laugh (IMO only possible IF they can get unwired G3 to 40MB or faster at competitive rates??)

Feel free to comment....


aj
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Telstra are laughing now - what they were excluded from, they now have access to. Whoever does Kev's grand plan, HAS to work with Telstra to get this done. Given the History between the Government and Telstra, do you think Telstra will act kindly towards them or put the boot in on every single contract it can?
 
This seems half smart, he must have pinched it from Liberal policy, get the broadband network going and create jobs.
 
K Rudd's idea wont work.

Financially, logistically, technology wise it doesnt make sense.
Trust me, Im a telco engineer who installed fibre for Optus.

K Rudd's plan involves digging a new trench on every road in the city and laying a new cable. Think of those above ground Optus vision cables you see hanging from telegraph poles in the city, only underground to every home in every town.
Thats cable wont just go under the footpath, but also from the footpath to your house. To give you a speed which is 5x faster than what you get now.
Yes thats 5x faster than ADSL2+. The 100 times faster is a comparrision to dial up.

Whats funny is that ADSL2+ is fast enough. Also mobile carriers will be rolling out 4G before this thing is even built.

The way I see it is like the govt. building a high speed train line from Sydney to Melbourne for $42 bil. Then charging passangers $200 for a one way trip, when the same trip can be done by Qantas and Virgin Blue for $70. What business sense does that make? none.

They will not be able to find a private partner for this project. There is no money to be made. Just votes from country folk who think the govt. is doing something for them.
 
waz said:
K Rudd's idea wont work.

Financially, logistically, technology wise it doesnt make sense.
Trust me, Im a telco engineer who installed fibre for Optus.

K Rudd's plan involves digging a new trench on every road in the city and laying a new cable. Think of those above ground Optus vision cables you see hanging from telegraph poles in the city, only underground to every home in every town.
Thats cable wont just go under the footpath, but also from the footpath to your house. To give you a speed which is 5x faster than what you get now.
Yes thats 5x faster than ADSL2+. The 100 times faster is a comparrision to dial up.

Whats funny is that ADSL2+ is fast enough. Also mobile carriers will be rolling out 4G before this thing is even built.

The way I see it is like the govt. building a high speed train line from Sydney to Melbourne for $42 bil. Then charging passangers $200 for a one way trip, when the same trip can be done by Qantas and Virgin Blue for $70. What business sense does that make? none.

They will not be able to find a private partner for this project. There is no money to be made. Just votes from country folk who think the govt. is doing something for them.
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I knew it was too good to be true, just another grandstanding exercise by Rudd blowing our money.
 
long way to go but why would Telstra pitch in for less than half of something that they can roll out themselves which will fill in their already owned cable & wireless networks?

This is going to be friggin interesting. Is the gov going to legislate against Telstra to favour KRudds big idea??

In all that Krudd there was an announcement of a "comprehensive review of Telecoms Regulations."
 
waz said:
Thats cable wont just go under the footpath, but also from the footpath to your house. To give you a speed which is 5x faster than what you get now.
Yes thats 5x faster than ADSL2+. The 100 times faster is a comparrision to dial up.
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I don't think that's right. It's meant to be based on FTTN (Fibre To The Node) which means they have to run optic fibre cabling from the exchanges to each street corner. The final service would then be delivered over your regular phone line using various forms of last leg delivery technology. Or if new cabling was required to the home it would replace the current phone line which is already hanging off a telegraph pole or in a tunnel under the ground and connected to your house anyway.

PS the key reason we have "slow" internet in Australia is under-investment in the actual core networks (especially Telstra's) that the ISPs must build. This network should provide ample opportunity for a decent core network to be built. Additional bandwidth capacity to the US etc can easily be turned on/enabled as when needed to address Gfresh's concern. The pathetic (or expensive) download limits etc most ISPs put on you are a result of the monopolistic wholesale pricing policies that Telstra currently has the power to maintain. A new network will fix this problem too.

Cheers,

Beej
 
I think we totally over rate the importance of broadband speed. Even for business the current technology is fine. Slow? Hell, not that long ago we were on dial-up. No wonder we are all stressed, everything has to happen immediately.
 
Actually apologies to Waz - you are right re the fibre-to-the-home proposal! I just re-read the article and they have now changed the plan from the original FTTN proprosal. The logistics of building that out WILL be huge. I hope they replace the phone lines rather than running yet another cable to every house!

My other comments still stand though.

Cheers,

Beej
 
Prospector said:
I think we totally over rate the importance of broadband speed. Even for business the current technology is fine. Slow? Hell, not that long ago we were on dial-up. No wonder we are all stressed, everything has to happen immediately.
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Nah that's wrong. For video conferencing you need speed. for education, medical & biz etc

You have real speed you will make use of it.
 
Trembling Hand said:
Nah that's wrong. For video conferencing you need speed. for education, medical & biz etc

You have real speed you will make use of it.
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Nup, maybe I am a luddite but there are so many more critical things we should be doing first. Like, for instance, water - today they have announced that NSW, Vic and SA only have enough water in the system for 12 months for human needs. But hey, who cares about that, we have fast broadband. :banghead:
 
waz said:
K Rudd's idea wont work.

Financially, logistically, technology wise it doesnt make sense.
Trust me, Im a telco engineer who installed fibre for Optus.

K Rudd's plan involves digging a new trench on every road in the city and laying a new cable. Think of those above ground Optus vision cables you see hanging from telegraph poles in the city, only underground to every home in every town.
Thats cable wont just go under the footpath, but also from the footpath to your house. To give you a speed which is 5x faster than what you get now.
Yes thats 5x faster than ADSL2+. The 100 times faster is a comparrision to dial up.

Whats funny is that ADSL2+ is fast enough. Also mobile carriers will be rolling out 4G before this thing is even built.

The way I see it is like the govt. building a high speed train line from Sydney to Melbourne for $42 bil. Then charging passangers $200 for a one way trip, when the same trip can be done by Qantas and Virgin Blue for $70. What business sense does that make? none.

They will not be able to find a private partner for this project. There is no money to be made. Just votes from country folk who think the govt. is doing something for them.
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*Sniff*

Phew-w-w! Something stinks here. Oh, I see. A whopping great White Elephant just stumbled into the room and started plopping everywhere! :D

4G indeed.

But, maybe as others are already speculating, this new "Virtual Gummint Owned Cable Broadband Network" will be supported through new *ahem* "Fair Trade Broadband Spectrum Regulations" (my term).

I must say, these Kruddites are seemingly clever enough to have already realised they can control everything now anyway.

The opposition is dead in the water & various "World Crises" have given them the "moral authority" to push ahead with whatever populist pogrom .. oops ... I mean PROGRAM that they see fit to invent and fund with apparently "unlimited financial resources", to ultimately bolster the Party's image ad-infinitum. Poor Malcontent Turnbile. He is turning green around the gills. I can see why Costello doesn't want to come out of the shadows while this Mega Spendathon is underway. Ya just can't beat it while it has momentum.

Kevy Baby Rokz!
Swan-ee Soarz!!
 
Trembling Hand said:
so telstra should be laying water pipes :confused:
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Ha, Funny, I am saying that if we are going to spend money on infrastructure lets spend it on something we really need rather than something we simply want.

Telstra blew their chances with their tender, they were not supposed to be involved in this at all.
 
Obviously i havnt looked into it in detail (who has yet), but i like the idea at least.

I have always said that the gov lacks long term vision and is always held up by minorities, at least this shows that they are trying to get something done.

Of course there will be inefficiencies due to it being a gov project, but its better than nothing, or a bad private deal imo...
 
prawn_86 said:
Obviously i havnt looked into it in detail (who has yet), but i like the idea at least.

I have always said that the gov lacks long term vision and is always held up by minorities, at least this shows that they are trying to get something done.

Of course there will be inefficiencies due to it being a gov project, but its better than nothing, or a bad private deal imo...
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Submit your web links for free? , no wonder it's free:D

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Either the domain has been overused, or the reseller ran out of resources
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