Rugby League Louts

[Julia]

OK I've sat back and listened and read all you twee guys and hairy legged feminists and would like to put in my 2 bobsworth.

First a declaration, I support The NQ Cowboys and The Manly Sea Eagles.

When they clash I sit back and celebrate the winner.

IMHO they are the 2 greatest teams in the NRL.

Now for some harden up therapy for you weasels who are prone to judge and condemn before the process of judgement has been fulfilled.

Rugby League is about aggression and winning.

Finding a mate is similar, although wooing helps.

I would agree that Alcohol, Marijuana, Ekkies, Cocaine and Amphetamines have changed the mix. But those stimulants are profligate at non NRL functions.

The line between welcome pre intercourse and sexual harassment/assault is a fine one. It has always been thus.

As is a good and a bad tackle and a good try.

Anyone involved in NRL realises this.

You posters need to harden up and wait for the umpires decision.

Rugby League is a beaut game, and the NRL is too quick to punish high testosterone players.

gg

I can't see how it matters what the bloke in question (can't even remember his name, that's how important he is on my horizon) does for a living, or what football code he's involved with.

The charge of sexual assault doesn't have anything to do with his occupation.
If a bloke sexually assaults a female, then he deserves to be charged.
Presumably the police have video evidence of what occurred or they wouldn't have been so quick to lay the charge.

For god's sake, stop excusing drunken insulting and assaulting behaviour because the idjit concerned runs around a muddy paddock after a ball.
Just get real about what sexual assault means.

And don't further downgrade your clearly questionable judgement by describing any woman, e.g. Prospector, and now me, who calls you on your comments, a "hairy legged feminist".
In other words, fellas, try playing the argument, not the person.

And gg, although I've quoted your post, I'm by no means suggesting you're the only poster in this thread who needs a re-arrangement of their thoughts as far as women are concerned.

That said, let's wait for what the court decides. I just find it abhorrent that if this character has in fact assaulted the girl, he could be even slightly excused because he's a sportsperson of whatever type.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Let's face it gg NRL is a dumb game for mindless morons & most NRL players are d*ckheads...
Anyway can't post now, got to go, Fatty's having a rave at the start of the Footy Show about problems with booze in the game.....

Thanks Solly,

You make a good point about the Footy show.

Fatty dumped on the Cowboys some years ago and is persona non grata north of Plane Creek.

He is a Tosser, the Footy Show is full of Tossers and you will be in good company watching it.

And mate when you next show your face in a NQ RL Club for a good feed and good conversation with Workers, don't bring Fatty with you.

You might get "tackled"

gg

 

[GumbyLearner]

I'm not a big follower of Rugby League but I think there have been a fair few louts in every code of football.

I don't know enough of the facts in this situation to comment.

 

[white_goodman]

It never ceases to amaze me how many very very rich people enjoy NRL anonymously, and how many folk who think they are better than the ordinary punter dump on working class people by bagging NRL, going to uni, finding global warming or moving to Byron Bay.

gg

mate dont assume things, ive already proven how wrong ur assumptions are... and for that matter my whole family is working class, just wealthy-ish blue collar

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

mate dont assume things, ive already proven how wrong ur assumptions are... and for that matter my whole family is working class, just wealthy-ish blue collar

Sorry mate , your a king, I don't include you with us common men and women.

gg

 

[GumbyLearner]

Even though it doesn't involve a Rugby League player.

Looks like a step forward.

Carey 'face of anti-domestic violence'
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25166475-5005961,00.html

FORMER footballer Wayne Carey could be the face of a new campaign to combat domestic violence.

The North Melbourne champion had talks with domestic violence campaigner and one-time Federal MP Phil Cleary about supporting the cause to end violence against women.

Mr Cleary told 3AW today the pair had chatted during a luncheon last Friday.

Mr Cleary said Carey told him: "I would do anything with you in the future on this question."

 

[Prospector]

GG the working class multi-millionaire ... .

Yep, and the same poster who started up a Rich Mans thread for people with net assets over $5million only because he was sick of hearing how the working class was spending their Rudd handout.

Gumby Learner, Carey glassed his girlfriend and assaulted police in the US. Do you really think that people take him seriously? Wonder if his repentance has anything to do with avoiding jail? The average bloke would think he is some kind of twit.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Yep, and the same poster who started up a Rich Mans thread for people with net assets over $5million only because he was sick of hearing how the working class was spending their Rudd handout.

Gumby Learner, Carey glassed his girlfriend and assaulted police in the US. Do you really think that people take him seriously? Wonder if his repentance has anything to do with avoiding jail? The average bloke would think he is some kind of twit.

You would be astounded how many workers are millionaires, and stay close to their roots ( I like to keep my roots close ). Railway, tradies, contractors and labourers.

The new class of middle class background in guvment jobs live like kings off honest folks taxes, vote Green, go to meetings and seminars and sweat over the titbits that Richie Rich Rudd tosses them.

The workers are watching, but now that they are doing better will leave the revolution go for the moment.

gg

 

[Stan 101]

Okay, I've been thinking of this theory to stop this rubbish with intoxicated players for some time. The way I see it there are 3 options:

1. Continue with the staus quo and have the NRL battle the unneeded press.

- Parents will move to restrict their children from playing and watching the game. There are a multitude of sports NRL competes with for the junior ranks.

- Sponsors will walk. There is 1 club standing on it's own feet at present and that doesn't look to change any time soon.

- The cost of cleaning up the mess of the bad press must be enormous. Management meetings, press releases & legal guidance all rob the coffers of the NRL.


2. Full alcohol ban. All players are paid and treated as elite athletes and it is written into their contracts a full abstinence clause.

- Sponsorship from alcohol businesses will drop off and the shortfall would need to be picked up. Quality sponsors may get on board if the model is seen to be succeeding.

- There could be a mass exodus from the player ranks to greener, wetter and tastier pastures. The NRL would need to brace until a new generation of non binge drinking athletes were lured to the sport.

- On the positive side, athletes may become fitter and stronger without alcohol, possibly taking the game to new heights in speed and stamina.

- The NRL coffers could be spared from dealing with bad press and legal action. These funds could be funnelled through to juniors and the clubs.


3. Cancel the no alcohol rule during the training / playing season and treat the players as adults who must make their own decisions based on sound judgement.

- Have players employed by the club 7 days a week for the period of the season.

- Set a minimum fitness level for all club players. If these standards drop (failing one test, two tests in a row or similar), the NRL steps in and forces the player into the reserve grade. These tests could be a baseline Vo2 max threshold or similar. These tests are to be audited independant of the clubs. Possibly a commercial third party, university, or in house NRL staff.

- Players are free to drink as they see fit. They can have their 3 or 4 beers a night and the occasional 6-8 at the bbq with the mates. Athletes know their own body.

- As a 7 day a week employee of the club, they must present at a designated meeting place at a set time (8.30am) each morning and be breath tested by an independent auditor. Again failures should be treated harshly as in any workplace.
Three failures to pass the breath test will have a penalty as harsh as a drink driving conviction. IE: a 12 month suspension from the game and a significant fine based on median player salary.

- This will require 15 auditors 7 days a week. Offer the auditor $80k pa and have them turned over regularly to prevent any nefarious doings with player / official.

- Funding for auditors would come from funds in the current NRL budget for legal expenses and messy cleanups they no doubt need to account for.

- Players are seen as real people, they feel like real people and won't need to binge to release the pent up frustration of beig alcohol free for weeks on end.

- Less idiot behaviour will lead to greater quality sponsorship. The Alcohol companies will be happy to push their sponsorship dollars and parents might just be a little more comfortable in having their children play the game knowing that sensible drinking is condoned.

I await the critiques.


cheers,

 

[Julia]

Even though it doesn't involve a Rugby League player.

Looks like a step forward.

Carey 'face of anti-domestic violence'
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25166475-5005961,00.html

FORMER footballer Wayne Carey could be the face of a new campaign to combat domestic violence.

The North Melbourne champion had talks with domestic violence campaigner and one-time Federal MP Phil Cleary about supporting the cause to end violence against women.

Mr Cleary told 3AW today the pair had chatted during a luncheon last Friday.

Mr Cleary said Carey told him: "I would do anything with you in the future on this question."

What a pathetic attempt to re-establish some sort of credibility!
But sadly, the fans will still be there and will not see through this hypocrisy.

 

[Prospector]

You would be astounded how many workers are millionaires, and stay close to their roots ( I like to keep my roots close ). Railway, tradies, contractors and labourers.

No, I wouldnt be suprised at all GG, I have met a lot of them in working with their Businesses. But it seems to me that if you want to stay true to your roots, which, in this context means rugby league style behaviours in the clubs etc, in the past their behaviours were 'excused' - well, they are the salt of the earth, the working class blah blah; that no longer is the case for most of them, so such loutish behaviours are no longer acceptable or excusable. Rich boys playing bad are far worse than poor ones!

What a pathetic attempt to re-establish some sort of credibility!
But sadly, the fans will still be there and will not see through this hypocrisy.

Thankfully, the opposite is happening Julia - the fans see him for the tool he is; being found in a compromising situation with his best friends wife in their bathroom at a club function tends to kill off all respect!

The alcohol ban is really difficult to police. A total ban means that just 1 beer could see a player rubbed out. I think what is the ridiculous thing in this case, is that it was the CLUB who put on the booze fest. That is why they were fined. The league clubs just dont get it!

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

No, I wouldnt be suprised at all GG, I have met a lot of them in working with their Businesses. But it seems to me that if you want to stay true to your roots, which, in this context means rugby league style behaviours in the clubs etc, in the past their behaviours were 'excused' - well, they are the salt of the earth, the working class blah blah; that no longer is the case for most of them, so such loutish behaviours are no longer acceptable or excusable. Rich boys playing bad are far worse than poor ones!



Thankfully, the opposite is happening Julia - the fans see him for the tool he is; being found in a compromising situation with his best friends wife in their bathroom at a club function tends to kill off all respect!

The alcohol ban is really difficult to police. A total ban means that just 1 beer could see a player rubbed out. I think what is the ridiculous thing in this case, is that it was the CLUB who put on the booze fest. That is why they were fined. The league clubs just dont get it!

There seems to be no comment on the behaviour of some girls and women at Pubs, Clubs and Functions.

The common decision is now that no matter what the behaviour of the female, the bloke is guilty if she decides that she's tired of the attention.

I feel sorry for these RL players, filled up with testosterone all week training and playing and then having to be monks at the Saturday night piss up.

gg

 

[white_goodman]

There seems to be no comment on the behaviour of some girls and women at Pubs, Clubs and Functions.

The common decision is now that no matter what the behaviour of the female, the bloke is guilty if she decides that she's tired of the attention.

I feel sorry for these RL players, filled up with testosterone all week training and playing and then having to be monks at the Saturday night piss up.

gg

that is true, lot of lutty bitches out on a saturday night

 

[Prospector]

And the girls who go there are the wives, girlfriends, mothers and daughters of working people, so don't dump on them.
gg

AND

There seems to be no comment on the behaviour of some girls and women at Pubs, Clubs and Functions.

=

 

[johenmo]

People can make excuses for others but if you act like a jerk, you're a jerk! And some of the Rugby guys are jerks. They suffer from FIGJAM syndrome. And their "supporters" endorse it.

The career they have chosen is in the public arena and, with that come responsibilities that others don't have to face. If they don't want to accept that, then too bad for them.

Too many of them come to believe they have demi-god status and can do what they like. Others lead lives in the same arena and don't get in trouble.

With the adoration, income and fringe benefits that come to entertainers (includes sportspeople) it's no wonder it goes to the head of some. But when all is said and done, that doesn't excuse bad behaviour.

 

[bunyip]

There seems to be no comment on the behaviour of some girls and women at Pubs, Clubs and Functions.

The common decision is now that no matter what the behaviour of the female, the bloke is guilty if she decides that she's tired of the attention.

I feel sorry for these RL players, filled up with testosterone all week training and playing and then having to be monks at the Saturday night piss up.

gg

Garpal ol' son - nobody is expecting them to be monks, but nor should they go to the other extreme by becoming animals who sexually assault women.

You and I probably got drunk a time or two in our younger days - it didn't give us an excuse to become real mongrels and start forcing ourselves on any sheila who took our fancy.

 

[bunyip]

Rugby league players are supposed to conduct themselves as role models, but the fact is that some of these blokes are from backgrounds where decent role models are in short supply.
NSW rugby league official Phil Gould summed it up by saying....'Some of these young fellers wouldn't know a role model if they saw one'.

Responsible behaviour has to start on the playing field.
There are just too many idiots and incompetents at the helm of rugby league. By handing out light sentences for foul play, they allow the culture of violent on-field assaults to flourish. A player will purposely slam an elbow into the head of an opponent, or punch him or head-high tackle him or stomp on him or whatever, and he gets a slap over the wrist for it.....fined, suspended for a few games, then allowed back on the field to do it all over again. Some players have repeated the same offence four times, yet they're still allowed to play.
The only way to drastically reduce on-field violence is to impose much harsher penalties....out for half a season for the first offence, out for life if a serious offence is repeated.

The violence in rugby league has to stop. You even see punch-ups among players 8 or 9 years old, with moronic parents yelling and egging them on from the sidelines.
No wonder these kids turn into the next generation of rugby league thugs.
Can you imagine Roger Federer getting away with elbowing his opponent in the face! Would Tiger Woods be allowed to continue on the pro golf circuit if he habitually assaulted fellow players!
League has to stop hiding behind the excuse that it's a contact sport, therefore some rough play is unavoidable. Sure, we know that, but there's a big difference between going in hard in a tackle, and outright deliberate assault.
Increase the penalties to whatever level is needed to curb the on-field violence - that's the only way to clean up the game and force responsible on-field behaviour from players.

Off-field behaviour - same story. Zero tolerance should be the policy towards drunken brawling, hassling other patrons, sexual assaults etc. One strike and they're out - no second chance. They're dealt with by the law, they're expelled from their club, and they're banned for life from playing the game.

I was a once a very keen rugby league player. Now I don't even bother watching it on TV because I get no pleasure out of seeing brain-dead idiots indulge in the sort of thuggery that pollutes the game these days.
Not every rugby league player is a brain-dead idiot, not all of them are thugs on the field and drunken louts off the field. Some of them are excellent ambassadors for the game.
Keep these decent blokes, get rid of the scum. You don't get rid of scum by giving them one more chance after another.
Even the best players should be permanently removed from the game if they fail to live up to decent behavioural standards both on and off the field. There are plenty of up and coming young players to replace them.

 

[Calliope]

Keep these decent blokes, get rid of the scum. You don't get rid of scum by giving them one more chance after another.
Even the best players should be permanently removed from the game if they fail to live up to decent behavioural standards both on and off the field. There are plenty of up and coming young players to replace them.

Quite often it is the players whom the Clubs' publicity machines have have built up as being decent blokes, visiting sick children in hospitals, featuring in commercials, etc, are the ones who let us down the most. Last year some of the Brisbane Broncos' most "respected" players were involved in nasty incidents inside and outside of nightspots

One gang of three performed disgusting acts on a woman in a toilet which they captured on film. The woman's complaints weren't taken seriously by the police. The Broncos can do no wrong in Brisbane. The police minister made excuses for these louts while the police were supposed to be investigating the incident.

Even if they did not technically break the law, their disgusting behaviour should have seen them kicked out. Neither their club nor the NRL took any action.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

You basket weavers need to harden up.

Rugby League is a dangerous, full on sport. Many of the women and girls who follow it are attracted to it because they like to see men being physical, in danger and winning or losing.

that's why there are so few to admire you guys at your basket weaving classes.

Except for Prospector.

gg

 

[bunyip]

You basket weavers need to harden up.

Rugby League is a dangerous, full on sport. Many of the women and girls who follow it are attracted to it because they like to see men being physical, in danger and winning or losing.

that's why there are so few to admire you guys at your basket weaving classes.

Except for Prospector.

gg

I'm no basket weaver. I played both rugby league and rugby union, always played a hard, physical game, tackled ferociously, but always played clean. I wasn't one of the cowards who would elbow a bloke in the face while half a dozen of my mates were helping me to pull him down. I was never so gutless as to attack someone's head when he had both hands on the ball and couldn't defend himself. I tackled around the legs - none of this poofy 'grab 'em around the chest and get pushed off' stuff that the coaches teach them these days.

When I wasn't playing league or union I was competing in martial arts competitions.
These cowardly bastards who indulge in foul play on the football field, they wouldn't have what it takes to climb into a ring or walk out on to a judo or karate floor and face a bloke who's in a position to hit back.

After the game we headed to the pub for an ale or three, did our best to charm on to any females in the vicinity, but we never lowered ourselves to sexually assaulting any of them. We were men, and proud of it, not animals or cowards. We had self respect. Some of these rugby league morons have none.