Does Osama Bin Laden actually exist?

[nunthewiser]

Re: Breaking news Bin Laden says I will attack the U.S.

exactly right , my original query was in regards to IF he was an actual real dude WHY havent the u.s actually caught him yet when they have all thjis intelligence/technology/updates on his every move ..

never stated he wasnt real

was a question on the simple realitys of the situation

aw bugga it , its all too hard

my posts are self explanatory

 

[nunthewiser]

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mmmmmm, Kenna's quoted you asking if Osama is actually real.... Nun, can u plz define what you mean by "actually real"? Kennas thought it meant you thought he didnt exist, as did I when I read it. Perhaps you need to word it different?

And now you are bitching because a mod doesnt agree with you, maybe your upset that he didnt delete your stupid post when you asked?

ok ... would it be ok if i am able to reply in the same tone as this pinhead ?

my posts previously are all self explantory .nothing "stupid " about them
no not upset i was just trying to put a halt to the "bitching " at me as it was obviously taken out of context

 

[gav]

Re: Breaking news Bin Laden says I will attack the U.S.

keep digging your hole 'darl'....

 

[chops_a_must]

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That article means nothing. If they had "made up" Osama (as Nun suggested) for their own agenda, and REALLY wanted you to believe that there were WMD's, then they would have. Obviously, neither is the case.

WTF?

Obviously not good at following your own arguments are you?

I dont see what is so rediculous about it, if Osama is a made up boogy-man by the US govt as u suggested, then why wouldnt they make up fake WMD's to justify what they do?

THEY DID try to fake WMD's to justify what they did.

Before AND after they invaded.

So how much else is unadulterated bollocks when it comes to foreign policy and crises, given they have a penchant for it?

 

[Sean K]

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ok ... would it be ok if i am able to reply in the same tone as this pinhead ?

my posts previously are all self explantory .nothing "stupid " about them
no not upset i was just trying to put a halt to the "bitching " at me as it was obviously taken out of context

Calling someone a pinhead probably crosses a line from someone saying you asked a stupid question.

Nothing was taken out of context. Everything was quoted, or was there for everyone to see.

You seem to be digging yourself into a little hole here.

Maybe you should just admit that questioning whether OBL was real or not, was an error?

Then we can move on...

 

[gav]

Re: Breaking news Bin Laden says I will attack the U.S.

WTF?

Obviously not good at following your own arguments are you?


THEY DID try to fake WMD's to justify what they did.

Before AND after they invaded.

So how much else is unadulterated bollocks when it comes to foreign policy and crises, given they have a penchant for it?

Chops, you misunderstood what I typed (maybe I didnt type it clearly enough). That article did not show some elaborate scheme to make up WMD's. The CIA thought the trucks were a part of a bioweapons production line, but they were wrong. That is all. The US didnt plant a whole heap of weapons, then discover them and claim it to be the WMD's they were after. (if that makes sense?)

The point I was trying to make was that if they really did make-up Osama, then they would have planted wpns and claim them to be the WMD's too.. (which neither happened)

 

[nunthewiser]

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Calling someone a pinhead probably crosses a line from someone saying you asked a stupid question.

Nothing was taken out of context. Everything was quoted, or was there for everyone to see.

You seem to be digging yourself into a little hole here.

Maybe you should just admit that questioning whether OBL was real or not, was an error?

Then we can move on...

fair enuff re responding with the same tone shown me , i understand

no my question was not an error it was a sincere question and the reasons given for that question are in my posts

 

[nunthewiser]

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OK ..... heres one for ya . re the weapons of mass destruction CLAIMED to be there during the conflict ....... they wasnt real but it certainly helped there justification of what they were doing ..

is my question really that odd when u compare the scenarios and the alleged "truth " given by the yanks ?

 

[chops_a_must]

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Chops, you misunderstood what I typed. That article did not show some elaborate scheme to make up WMD's. The CIA thought the trucks were a part of a bioweapons production line, but they were wrong. That is all. The US didnt plant a whole heap of weapons, then discover it claiming it to be the WMD's they were after.

Lol.

How is it any different? Because people all of a sudden asked questions? The CIA claimed them to be authentic. And yes, exactly what they were after.

To me, that's all there is you need to know because the CIA were instrumental in lying about WMD's previous to invasion.

Just because people had stopped believing their bollocks on the matter, doesn't mean that their actions before or since have not been in the same vane. And it certainly doesn't mean they didn't try to make up crap about discovering WMD's.

 

[gav]

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Lol.

How is it any different? Because people all of a sudden asked questions? The CIA claimed them to be authentic. And yes, exactly what they were after.

To me, that's all there is you need to know because the CIA were instrumental in lying about WMD's previous to invasion.

Just because people had stopped believing their bollocks on the matter, doesn't mean that their actions before or since have not been in the same vane. And it certainly doesn't mean they didn't try to make up crap about discovering WMD's.

Isnt it possible that the CIA made a geniune mistake (claiming to find WMD's)? Can you prove it was definitely a lie and not a genuine mistake?

 

[rowie]

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Is there really a bin laden ? is he just a boogy man made up by the u.s.a to scare the land of the free into agreeing with any idea the govverment wants to partake in ? seems very odd that with all there technology they can read ya newspaper from the sky but cant find a bloke they allegedly know so well and trained

off topic perhaps but been thinkin this for sometime now

why are these people knocking on my door trying to seize my computer ?

I agree with you nunthewiser. Bin Laden is just a fictional type character made up by the powers that be to advance hidden agendas. Like you said, with all worlds technology, they cant find this guy? And then he pops up every year or so with some prophetic warnings of impending doom. Its stuff that hollywood movies are made out of....

 

[prawn_86]

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Isnt it possible that the CIA made a geniune mistake (claiming to find WMD's), and it wasnt a lie?

Slightly off topic, but when it comes to decisons as heavy as going to start a new war, intelligence should be verified 1000 times over.

Its not as if Iraq would have been an immediate threat, even if they were stockpiling Uranium or beginning to build stuff. You cant whip up a sophisticated nuke in a month or 2.

 

[nunthewiser]

Re: Breaking news Bin Laden says I will attack the U.S.

I agree with you nunthewiser. Bin Laden is just a fictional type character made up by the powers that be to advance hidden agendas. Like you said, with all worlds technology, they cant find this guy? And then he pops up every year or so with some prophetic warnings of impending doom. Its stuff that hollywood movies are made out of....

sorry rowie please read my post i have not ONCE claimed he IS a fictional character , i am merely asking a question

 

[chops_a_must]

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Isnt it possible that the CIA made a geniune mistake (claiming to find WMD's)? Can you prove it was definitely a lie and not a genuine mistake?

You're a funny one.

Just like their information given on behalf of Colon Plow to the UN wasn't a "genuine mistake" right?

It's one of the CIA's jobs to make **** up. That's a big part of counter intelligence.

 

[nunthewiser]

hahahahahahah nice thread name change

cheers

 

[cuttlefish]

Now it reads like deeplode has posted a new thread claiming Osama doesn't exist - what does that do for deeplode's credibility and how would he feel about that change I wonder?


Why mod this stuff at all - who cares if nunthewiser wants to question Osama's existence - thats his right in a free universe isn't it? If people think its ludicrous then they can reply as such and we have debate woohoo. I mean people have questioned everything from whether man landed on the moon to whether the trade centre attacks even occured so why is questioning Osama's existence suddenly a sensitive topic?

And for the record I think he does exist.

 

[nunthewiser]

Now it reads like deeplode has posted a new thread claiming Osama doesn't exist - what does that do for deeplode's credibility and how would he feel about that change I wonder?


Why mod this stuff at all - who cares if nunthewiser wants to question Osama's existence - thats his right in a free universe isn't it? If people think its ludicrous then they can reply as such and we have debate woohoo. I mean people have questioned everything from whether man landed on the moon to whether the trade centre attacks even occured so why is questioning Osama's existence suddenly a sensitive topic?

And for the record I think he does exist.

cheers , any thoughts on why he has not been caught yet ? considering the resorces the world has got for these sort of matters

and in all fairness not once have any of the mods eddited , removed or threatened me with reprisals during this discussion

 

[chops_a_must]

cheers , any thoughts on why he has not been caught yet ? considering the resorces the world has got for these sort of matters

I'd say he was dead before the trade centre attacks happened.

 

[prawn_86]

Cuttlefish,

the thread title was probably changed in order to reflect the way that the discussion has gone. Discussions like this can tend to be quite dynamic, so an appropriate title is always nice.

 

[nulla nulla]

The original question is not a silly as might innitialy be thought. There is no doubt that Osama did exist (there is plenty of information to prove this) however, since the invasion of Iraq there has been no more sitings of Osama. At various times he is reported to have been blown up and at other times there was speculation that he was in ill health and may in fact be dying.

Terrorism and the alleged WMD were given as the reason for the invasion of Iraq. History shows that British Intelegence and Australian Intelegence said there were no weapons of Mass Destruction, before the invasion. The only ones pushing it were the yanks, with their fabricated highly speculative fairy tales of mobile chemical warfare factories. The real reason for the invasion was the yanks foreign policy for securing oil supplies.

The context of the question, as I read it, is not whether or not Osama exists (or existed) but whether there is a lot being done under the guise of protecting the world from him and other boogy men like hime. IMO