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Hotmail has always worried me. Many use it as it doesn't cost anything. I refuse too. A poor man's wine.

As Doris and Julia say ENOUGH!!! Back to the thread:)
 
This poor kid's case is a warning to other amygdala-driven kids!

This seems ludicrous to me:
- illegally accessing an email account (a misdemeanor -> one year in jail)
- to access email (a felony -> five years in jail). :eek:

Will his case become a precedent?

October 8, 2008, 05:20 PM — IDG News Service —

David Kernell is facing five years in prison for allegedly hacking into Alaska Governor Sarah Palin's Yahoo e-mail account, but lawyers watching the case say that the felony charge against him is a bit of a stretch.

That's because under the 1986 Computer Fraud and Abuse Act the crime that Kernell is accused of -- illegally accessing a protected computer -- is considered a misdemeanor offense, unless it was committed in order to pull off another crime. Then it becomes a felony.

The problem with the case, lawyers say, is that the U.S. Department of Justice indictment handed down Tuesday uses circuitous logic. It essentially accuses Kernell, the son of Mike Kernell, a Democratic state representative from Memphis, of illegally accessing Palin's e-mail, in order to... illegally access e-mail.

"It's a very convoluted way to try to deal with this issue," said Mark Rasch, managing director of FTI consulting, and a former DOJ attorney. He added that if the DOJ's argument is accepted by the court, it would invalidate the law's provision for charging this crime as a misdemeanor.

The felony charge greatly increases Kernell's prospective jail time.
* He now faces a maximum of five years in prison.
* Under a misdemeanor, the maximum sentence is just one year.
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http://www.itworld.com/legal/55863/palin-hacking-charge-flawed-lawyers-say
 
Green08 said:
You told me once I only see one side. I think I have given credit where I think it is due. Have you shown any positive comment to the Democrats?
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I said that in regards to people on this thread spamming loads and loads of negative and untrue statements about McCain. And then, I put one thing out against Obama, and yikes!! Those nasty Repuglians, and that sort of thing. Sometimes I come on the three threads (Obama, McCain, and Palin), ((Biden's not popular enough to merit his own thread)), and there are literally post after post after post by our two most devoted Obama fans, that have total untruths, exaggerations, and insults about Palin and McCain.

I don't think Obama or Biden are evil, but I do think they are profoundly wrong on almost every issue. McCain is about half wrong, and Sarah is about 98% right.
 
ZzzzDad said:
((Biden's not popular enough to merit his own thread)), and there are literally post after post after post by our two most devoted Obama fans, that have total untruths, exaggerations, and insults about Palin and McCain.

I don't think Obama or Biden are evil, but I do think they are profoundly wrong on almost every issue. McCain is about half wrong, and Sarah is about 98% right.
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Why do you think Biden's not popular? Sure there has not been alot of coverage but his record is reasonable strong.

Can we not acknowledge peoples past achievements in a reasonable manner. To say Obama has done nothing is incorrect. I don't believe he sits around waiting for the dole and glued to the cable. I know you don't agree but not all lawyers are nasty. I've dealt with some and had a mixed bag. I honor him in the path of surmountable obstacles to continually follow his belief to improve America, there is nothing stopping any American to do that. It’s a tough job requiring energy and focus. Studying for law is extremely hard if you want to excel and achieve Honors. Practicing is not easy - especially if you actually give a damn about the client, situation and outcome.

As far as media, the USA is huge and with many media outlets you do have some left orientated and right orientated. People take in what they want to hear and if they have the inclination - research. Dodgy in itself to filter sites and work out what is true and not.

He is not a Muslim and playing that card is annoying. Get on with the campaign.

Obama and Biden are far from evil, another word with many connotations and misleading.
 
I can't stand any of the candidates for various reasons.

Obama is a used car salesman whose record as an actual worker is incredibly shady at best.

I also find it quite amusing that he is much more popular amongst women, who seem to have a lot of trouble seeing through the BS.
 
Green08 said:
Why do you think Biden's not popular? Sure there has not been alot of coverage but his record is reasonable strong.
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That was a joke - we have 3 threads on the Presidential/Vice Presidential candidates. Perhaps someone should give the poor guy a thread :)



Can we not acknowledge peoples past achievements in a reasonable manner.
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Does that go for McCain too? He was the thorn in the side of the Republicans for 8 years. George Bush's arch enemy within the Republican party. Google McCain/Feingold (campaign finance reform), McCain/Lieberman (when Lieberman was still a member in good standing with the Democrats) and McCain/Kennedy. These were all basically initiatives that McCain went to the other side of the aisle and got legislation through that most Republicans did not agree with. McCain was the Republican that the Democrats loved. They even tried to woo him to run as Kerrey's VP in 2004. He was the media darling - because he was always running to the center to try to get something done - and poke GWB in the eye at every opportunity.

As far as media, the USA is huge and with many media outlets you do have some left orientated and right orientated. People take in what they want to hear and if they have the inclination - research. Dodgy in itself to filter sites and work out what is true and not.
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A poll a couple of years ago had 87% of news media people as Democrat, 7% Republican, and the rest independant. This was of individual reporters and anchors. In America, only Fox News is considered conservative, along with talk radio.

He is not a Muslim and playing that card is annoying. Get on with the campaign.
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I have NEVER accused him of being a Muslim. What you are referring to is that I said he had travelled to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport as an adult. Indonesia did not, until 2006, allow dual citizenship. The only way for Obama to legally have an Indonesian passport as an adult would have been to renounce his American citizenship. This is a technical issue that could, if proven, disqualify him from being President. This issue could be resolved if Obama would open up his passport record to public scrutiny. If I had nothing to hide, I would do it in a heartbeat.

Obama and Biden are far from evil, another word with many connotations and misleading.
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If you read my post, I said he is NOT evil.


And to Sarah Palin, I apologize for my above post. I should have said Sarah is right 100% of the time, and it is me that is only right 98% of the time.
 
I did start a thread on Biden

Correct you never said Obama was a Muslim but many Republics go on about that he was, is or is linked to them. He's not, and so what if has some friends that are, though I have no idea who his friends are. Not all Muslims are fundamentalist.

I have watched a story on Iraqi women who have lost their husbands, fathers and sometimes family and home. They prostitute themselves through secret signs at the markets. That is the only way they can get money. The worse one was a woman who had to take men home, 1 room in which she lived with her 3 kids. She made them stand with their faces in the corner of the room and ears covered. Now that my sound disgusting but it was true and I feel so sorry they have no or little support to live. They were extremely tearful and full of remorse but had to feed the kids. The result of the War in Iraq.

She is definately not right 100% all the time. I can't pinpoint the exact figure on a % basis she is correct I don't have the time. As for yourself that is self assessment of 98% and if believe it, then you believe it, that's fine.
 
ZzzzDad said:
It is the mindset of the deranged Democrats that allowed this to happen.

Now, imagine if Obama's email was hacked by the son of Republican lawmaker? You don't live here, I'll let you in on something: The MSM would have plastered this on the front pages of the news for weeks. They would have speculated that McCain/Palin authorized it, they would have been talking about how nasty and criminal Republicans are. "What did McCain know, and when did he know it? etc., etc., etc.

You don't live here though, you don't know the one sided media like we do.
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I lived there for four years mate - the only absolute and total bias is your own, and your inability to see anything beyond Republicans good/Democrats bad - a complete load of bollocks.
 
Committee Meets Over Palin Ethics Report

Today, the committee will decide whether:
* the case be closed
* another committee continue to investigate ... or
* the matter be referred to criminal investigators.

Reading this made me wonder exactly what Palin's 'maverick' cases were about.
It seems maybe these Republicans she fought were trying to keep her honest. Do we know the issues?

ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- Lawmakers have begun reviewing a lengthy and politically sensitive investigative report focusing on whether Palin abused her authority as governor.

She has been accused of firing a state commissioner to settle a family dispute.
- also whether Palin's husband meddled in state affairs and whether
- her administration inappropriately accessed employee medical records.

The investigation focuses on her firing of Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan who says Gov. Palin and her husband pressured him to fire Mike Wooten, a state trooper involved in a nasty divorce and custody dispute with the governor's sister. When Mr. Monegan resisted, he says, he was fired.

Gov. Palin's critics say that shows she used her office to settle family affairs.

"When you're the governor, you leave your household hat at home and you become governor," said state Senate President Lyda Green, a Republican who has frequently clashed with Gov. Palin.

Lawmakers planned to vote to release the estimated 300-page report and some of the 1,000 or more pages of supporting documents. The 14-member legislative panel could recommend that the case be closed, that another committee continue to investigate, or that the matter be referred to criminal investigators.

Republican state Rep. John Coghill said he would try to keep the discussion focused on the what legislators set out to investigate: Mr. Monegan's firing.

He said before reading the report, "This is about the integrity of the legislative process."
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122364495587222887.html
 
Doris
she abused power according to report

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/10/11/2388385.htm

Palin abused power: 'Troopergate' probe
Posted 28 minutes ago
Updated 20 minutes ago

Republican vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin abused her position as Alaska Governor by pressuring officials to dismiss a state trooper, an investigator's report says.

In a 263-page report released by Alaska's Legislative Council following a six-hour closed doors hearing, investigator Steve Branchflower said Ms Palin was guilty of violating ethics rules for public officials.

The investigator said Ms Palin had allowed her husband Todd Palin to use the Alaska Governor's office and its resources to pressure officials to fire state trooper Mike Wooten, her former brother-in-law.

"Governor Palin knowingly permitted a situation to continue where impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda, to wit: to get Trooper Michael Wooten fired," the report said.

"She had the authority and power to require Mr Palin to cease contacting subordinates, but she failed to act," the report added.

-AFP
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PS all over Red Rover
PS (imo)

Obama / Biden = 2/9 = $1.22
McCain / Palin = 9/2 = $5.50

http://www.easyodds.com/compareodds/specials/Politics/m/147587-234-5.html

PS Suppose you are right, that that ABC article is only one interpretation of the report -
it still says mountains about McCain's decision-making skills (for his first big decision of choosing a running mate).
 
Doris said:
Committee Meets Over Palin Ethics Report

Today, the committee will decide whether:
* the case be closed
* another committee continue to investigate ... or
* the matter be referred to criminal investigators.
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2020hindsight said:
Doris
she abused power according to report

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/10/11/2388385.htm

PS all over Red Rover
PS (imo)

PS Suppose you are right, that that ABC article is only one interpretation of the report -
it still says mountains about McCain's decision-making skills (for his first big decision of choosing a running mate).
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All over? Your item did not say 'where to now?' :confused:

Which of the three outcomes will ensue? :confused:

Blame the husband...

Would she allow him to take the blame if he ordered the sacking of the secretary of state
if she were to become POTUS if McCain carks it?

Shudders... :eek:
 
Maybe these will help decide the favorites:
 

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Green08 said:
Can't we make Harrison Ford the P as I had a big crush on him as a teenager in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Why did you go for Marshmellow Man he was wiped out in Ghostbusters?:eek:You are "pumped full of sugar"
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Fear me, for I AM THE GHOST OF STAY PUFT!!!

[size=+2]MU-HA-HA-HAAAA-AAH!!![/size] *coff...cof*

:)
 
Sarah Palin’s Husband a Member of Armed Alaskan Secessionist Group with Ties to Al-Qaeda.

Todd Palin, husband to Republican Vice-Presidential nominee Sarah Palin, was a dues-paying member of an armed secessionist group, the Alaska Independence Party (AIP), whose founder, Joe Volger, sought to bring about an independent Alaskan nation by violent rebellion. In a 1991 interview, AIP founder, Joe Volger, said: “The fires of h*** are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. And I won't be buried under their d*** flag.”

Both Sarah and Todd Palin attended the AIP convention in 1994, where the fringe group advocated a revote on succession from the Union and the drafting of constitution for an independent republic of Alaska. According to Gail Fenumiai, Director of Division of Elections in Alaska, state voting records show Todd Palin was registered as a member of the Alaska Independence Party from 1995 to 2002.

The McCain campaign asserts that despite Todd Palin’s seven year membership in the Alaskan secessionist organization, Sarah Palin has never been a member of the fringe group and has never supported its radical anti-American agenda. But in an embarrassing contradiction, recent video has emerged of Palin expressing her agreement with AIP, prior to her being tapped for the McCain ticket VP-slot.
In the taped address to the AIP party’s 2008 convention, then Alaska Governor Sarah Palin said: “I share your party’s vision of … of our great state. My administration remains focused on reining in government growth so individual liberty and opportunity can expand. I know you agree with that.”

The McCain campaign claims that Gov. Palin was simply encouraging the electoral process in a private address to her neighbors, but declined to comment on the inflammatory platform of the group calling for the obliteration of Alaskan statehood.
AIP Support for Chechens Linked to 9/11 Terrorists

More troubling for the McCain campaign, the AIP website supports a host of radical anti-American groups including the Chechen Islamic Jihad against Russia in the former Soviet state of Chechnya.

Al-Qaeda’s former Second in Command, Ayman al-Zawahiri (who was himself captured and released in 1997 while trying to enter Chechnya) said an Al-Qaeda controlled Chechnya, “poses a direct threat to the United States [because] the only thing that will separate [Chechen Jihadists] from Afghanistan will be the neutral state of Turkmenistan.”

Al-Qaeda connections to Chechen rebels through the Afghan Taliban Embassy helped redirect four young Saudi Arabian students bound for Chechnya onto a path that ended with the September 11th attacks on America. (They were: Ahmed and Hamza al-Ghamdi who hijacked the plane that crashed into the south tower of the World Trade Center; their companion Saeed al-Ghamdi whose plane crashed in a Pennsylvania field; and Nawaf al-Hamzi who died in the Pentagon crash).

Prior to the US invasion, the Taliban government of Afghanistan had recognized an independent Chechnya and opened an embassy in Kabul on January 16th, 2000. One year later on September 11th, Al-Qaeda trained terrorists claiming alliance with the Chechen rebels flew two planes into the World Trade Center buildings in New York, a third into the Pentagon building in Washington DC, and crashed a fourth in rural Pennsylvania. Sergei Yastrzhembsky, the Kremlin’s top spokesman on Chechnya, warned that the U.S.-backed opposition in Afghanistan should expect the same result. Chechens and the Taliban alike consider their lands unconquerable -- a psychology that works against imposed military solutions.

Palin, AIP’s Manchurian Candidate?

Former AIP President Mark Chryson and another radical right-winger, Steve Stoll, played a quiet but pivotal role in electing, then political unknown, Sarah Palin as mayor of Wasilla. Stoll and Chryson did the ground work to drum up local financial support for Palin’s campaign and played king-makers to the Palin camp crafting her political message as a polished version of their own radical agenda.

Palin helped Chryson to mainstream AIP’s radical secessionist initiatives, including one that altered the state Constitution’s language to better promote the formation of anti-government militias in advance of an armed revolt. She used her power as mayor to try and defeat local officials AIP identified as pro-United States, and consulted them about new hires. She even attempted to unilaterally appoint Stoll, a John Birch Society activist known as “Black Helicopter Steve,” to an vacated Wasilla City Council seat rather than hold a special election. “Every time I showed up, her door was open [to me],” said Chryson. “And that policy continued when she became governor.”

Continued Questions of Abuse of Power

A state legislative investigator has found that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin abused her executive power when she and her husband engaged in a campaign to oust her former brother-in-law from the state police force, a report released today states.
Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, had been accused of dismissing Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan, a career law enforcement official, after he rebuffed attempts by Palin, her husband Todd, and cabinet officials to reopen an investigation into Palin's brother-in-law, state Trooper Mike Wooten. After his firing, Monegan said he believed that comments in conversations and e-mails from Palin, her husband Todd and other state officials were an attempt to get him to fire Wooten.

The McCain-Palin campaign has attacked the investigation as a partisan effort, but the report was commissioned and released by a bipartisan state legislative panel made up of 10 Republicans and 4 Democrats, who concluded: “The evidence supports the conclusion that Governor Palin, at the least, engaged in ‘official action’ by her inaction if not her active participation or assistance to her husband in attempting to get Trooper Wooten fired [and there is evidence of her active participation].”

(Click link for video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3iYUbbzBBU).
(Click link for video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI).
 
‘Alaska Women Reject Palin’ Rally is HUGE!
2008

I attended the Welcome Home rally for Sarah Palin this morning. Hooo. It was an experience. About a thousand (maybe) hard-core Palin supporters showed up to hear her speak at the new Dena’ina Convention Center in downtown Anchorage.

After shaking it off with a good double shot of espresso, and a brisk walk back to my car, it was time to head to the Alaska Women Reject Palin rally. It was to be held outside on the lawn in front of the Loussac Library in midtown Anchorage. Home made signs were encouraged, and the idea was to make a statement that Sarah Palin does not speak for all Alaska women, or men. I had no idea what to expect.

The rally was organized by a small group of women, talking over coffee. It made me wonder what other things have started with small groups of women talking over coffee. It’s probably an impressive list. These women hatched the plan, printed up flyers, posted them around town, and sent notices to local media outlets. One of those media outlets was KBYR radio, home of Eddie Burke, a long-time uber-conservative Anchorage talk show host. Turns out that Eddie Burke not only announced the rally, but called the people who planned to attend the rally “a bunch of socialist baby-killing maggots”, and read the home phone numbers of the organizers aloud over the air, urging listeners to call and tell them what they thought. The women, of course, received many nasty, harassing and threatening messages.

So, as I jettisoned myself from the jaws of the ‘Drill Baby Drill’ crowd and toward the mystery rally at the library, I felt a bit apprehensive. I’d been disappointed before by the turnout at other rallies. Basically, in Anchorage, if you can get 25 people to show up at an event, it’s a success. So, I thought to myself, if we can actually get 100 people there that aren’t sent by Eddie Burke, we’ll be doing good. A real statement will have been made. I confess, I still had a mental image of 15 demonstrators surrounded by hundreds of menacing “socialist baby-killing maggot” haters.

It’s a good thing I wasn’t tailgating when I saw the crowd in front of the library or I would have ended up in somebody’s trunk. When I got there, about 20 minutes early, the line of sign wavers stretched the full length of the library grounds, along the edge of the road, 6 or 7 people deep! I could hardly find a place to park. I nabbed one of the last spots in the library lot, and as I got out of the car and started walking, people seemed to join in from every direction, carrying signs.

Never, have I seen anything like it in my 17 and a half years living in Anchorage. The organizers had someone walk the rally with a counter, and they clicked off well over 1400 people (not including the 90 counter-demonstrators). This was the biggest political rally ever, in the history of the state. I was absolutely stunned. The second most amazing thing is how many people honked and gave the thumbs up as they drove by. And even those that didn’t honk looked wide-eyed and awe-struck at the huge crowd that was growing by the minute. This just doesn’t happen here.

Then, the infamous Eddie Burke showed up. He tried to talk to the media, and was instantly surrounded by a group of 20 people who started shouting O-BA-MA so loud he couldn’t be heard. Then passing cars started honking in a rhythmic pattern of 3, like the Obama chant, while the crowd cheered, hooted and waved their signs high.

So, if you’ve been doing the math… Yes. The Alaska Women Reject Palin rally was significantly bigger than Palin’s rally that got all the national media coverage! So take heart, sit back, and enjoy the photo gallery. Feel free to spread the pictures around (links are appreciated) to anyone who needs to know that Sarah Palin most definitely does not speak for all Alaskans. The citizens of Alaska, who know her best, have things to say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNlc...9/14/alaska-women-reject-palin-rally-is-huge/

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