Sarah Palin: The Barracuda

[ZzzzDad]

I think that if Green08 considers that I have offended her in some way she will tell me. You say "you will find what you seek." You will if you look under rocks.

Don't lecture me. Save it for the classroom.

"Each word I use is profound". You pompous ass.

For a woman who sets herself up as a political activist, you are remarkably sensitive to criticism.

For those in mid America, and I presume the equivalent persons in Australia, can you see the irony? The very people that the left purports to represent - the poor - the middle class - are really looked at with pity and disdain. "I'm smarter than you, therefore I can look after you better than you can yourself". That is the attitude of the left.

In reality, it is the working poor and the middle class that keep America and Australia going. The leftists in Academia really have no clue, just theories that will never work.

Some of us just want to work hard, keep our own money, and tell government elitists to get out of our way. They are the problem, not the solution to all the messes that we are in today.

Obama and his ilk have never done an honest day's work in their lives.

 

[Nashezz]

CALLIOPE, why don't you go somewhere else to enlighten others with your razor wit and superior knowledge. I am sure you can go post all YOUR inanities and vitriol on a site somewhere where everyone will think your posted crud is actually pearls of wisdom - than you won't have to feel like nobody likes you.

Try http://thenewcurrencylad.blogspot.com/ - here you won't be mentally challenged and you can bask in the knowledge someone else has the same cohesive reasoning as yourself.

Zzz - really? I think you will find that demographically far more 'poor' people vote left than right, which kind of makes your comment silly.

 

[IFocus]

For those in mid America, and I presume the equivalent persons in Australia, can you see the irony? The very people that the left purports to represent - the poor - the middle class - are really looked at with pity and disdain. "I'm smarter than you, therefore I can look after you better than you can yourself". That is the attitude of the left.

In Oz its more about having a fair go and that the system allows that to happen, as for being poor or middle class its not considered a stigma, you don't get respect here just for having money in fact you are likely to be treated with disdain until you prove you are worthy of respect.

In reality, it is the working poor and the middle class that keep America and Australia going. The leftists in Academia really have no clue, just theories that will never work.

You for got to include right wing think tanks

Some of us just want to work hard, keep our own money, and tell government elitists to get out of our way. They are the problem, not the solution to all the messes that we are in today.

Maybe you feel this way along with your right to own hand guns etc but the mess has happened on GW's watch

Obama and his ilk have never done an honest day's work in their lives.

Seems to me he works extremely hard god knows what drives him to do so......

 

[Green08]

In reality, it is the working poor and the middle class that keep America and Australia going. The leftists in Academia really have no clue, just theories that will never work.

Some of us just want to work hard, keep our own money, and tell government elitists to get out of our way. They are the problem, not the solution to all the messes that we are in today.

Obama and his ilk have never done an honest day's work in their lives.

There are alot of assumptions in your statement.
Have you been to Australia?
What makes you think I am wealthy?
What is an honest day’s work?
Do all poor and middle class work hard every day to improve their fellow man's environment? Are they all dedicated parents as well?

If you’re so upset with the system why don't you run for President! There is nothing holding you back to represent your people except waiting another 4 years, then go for it! In that time you could begin campaigning and gathering like minded people for a ZzzzDad movement in the USA. ZzzzDad for President - doesn't sound hard, could be alot of work but I believe you can do it!
What will your foreign policy be? Are you ready to speak and resolve issues as President globally?
Make sure you cover all bases with knowledge you don't need the elite just books and reading, turn off the TV and learn. Easy as Pie!!!!

 

[Calliope]

CALLIOPE, why don't you go somewhere else to enlighten others with your razor wit and superior knowledge. I am sure you can go post all YOUR inanities and vitriol on a site somewhere where everyone will think your posted crud is actually pearls of wisdom - than you won't have to feel like nobody likes you.

Try http://thenewcurrencylad.blogspot.com/ - here you won't be mentally challenged and you can bask in the knowledge someone else has the same cohesive reasoning as yourself.

Zzz - really? I think you will find that demographically far more 'poor' people vote left than right, which kind of makes your comment silly.

You have certainly worked youself into a state. Your are almost incoherent. It could be lack of sleep again.

 

[Julia]

For those in mid America, and I presume the equivalent persons in Australia, can you see the irony? The very people that the left purports to represent - the poor - the middle class - are really looked at with pity and disdain. "I'm smarter than you, therefore I can look after you better than you can yourself". That is the attitude of the left.

In reality, it is the working poor and the middle class that keep America and Australia going. The leftists in Academia really have no clue, just theories that will never work.

Some of us just want to work hard, keep our own money, and tell government elitists to get out of our way. They are the problem, not the solution to all the messes that we are in today.

ZzzzDad, I was reading the above and thinking that, although you were exaggerating, I could see why you say that. I'd say perhaps a better point might be that much of the Left dogma promoted by the so called intelligentsia comes from an ideological base rather than one of practical experience and as a result lacks some validity.

Obama and his ilk have never done an honest day's work in their lives.

But then you made this utterly silly statement, and you lost me completely.

Why is it that when some people discuss politics all sense of objectivity is lost? The fans on both sides seem to have elevated their political heroes to the status of Gods fergawdsake!

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

CALLIOPE, why don't you go somewhere else to enlighten others with your razor wit and superior knowledge. I am sure you can go post all YOUR inanities and vitriol on a site somewhere where everyone will think your posted crud is actually pearls of wisdom - than you won't have to feel like nobody likes you.

Try http://thenewcurrencylad.blogspot.com/ - here you won't be mentally challenged and you can bask in the knowledge someone else has the same cohesive reasoning as yourself.

Zzz - really? I think you will find that demographically far more 'poor' people vote left than right, which kind of makes your comment silly.

Nash mate, as I've said to you before , folk like you and Calliope probably have more in common with each other than you would believe. You both care enough about the world to think and argue about it.

I have been fortunate enough to know many very poor and indigent people and also many people in relatively high office from both sides of politics. Most are decent people.

So lighten up mate.

One point I would make. The poor do generally vote for the left, but will change if given a good short term economic gain.

The problem with the vote of the poor is that through circumstances on the day, low morale or education, substance abuse or adversity, they will not vote in an electoral system like the US where they are not compelled to vote.

gg

 

[ZzzzDad]

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But then you made this utterly silly statement, and you lost me completely.

Why is it that when some people discuss politics all sense of objectivity is lost? The fans on both sides seem to have elevated their political heroes to the status of Gods fergawdsake!

Julia - thanks for the response. I said that because Obama never has done "hard work" in his life. He has worked as a "community organizer" for a few years, and then went back to school (Harvard), then went to Academia as a law professor, then to the state senate in Illinois.

A job as a rabble rousing "community organizer", and as a law professor, is not a hard days work. Not the kind that I am talking about. He does not know about small business, or what it is like to work in a service job or a manufacturing job, etc.

 

[ZzzzDad]

There are alot of assumptions in your statement.
Have you been to Australia?

No, but I've been to over 40 countries. Most of the European countries, including Russia back in the 1980s. I've been to Egypt, Israel, China, the Philippines, Japan, Taiwan, Canada, Mexico, Jamaica, Costa Rica. So, I'm not an insulated American by any means. So, what is your point in asking? My second son has an infatuation with all things Australian, so, I promised him that we would make a trip there in the next few years or so, before he grows up - he is 11.

What makes you think I am wealthy?

Never said you were.

What is an honest day’s work?

Work that involves making things, growing things, building things, etc., I think you know what I meant by that.

Do all poor and middle class work hard every day to improve their fellow man's environment? Are they all dedicated parents as well?

Never said ALL - some are lazy bums that want handouts, etc. But most, in America at least, work pretty hard.

If you’re so upset with the system why don't you run for President! There is nothing holding you back to represent your people except waiting another 4 years, then go for it! In that time you could begin campaigning and gathering like minded people for a ZzzzDad movement in the USA. ZzzzDad for President - doesn't sound hard, could be alot of work but I believe you can do it!
What will your foreign policy be? Are you ready to speak and resolve issues as President globally?
Make sure you cover all bases with knowledge you don't need the elite just books and reading, turn off the TV and learn. Easy as Pie!!!!

I don't have any desire to be President. I'm living a good middle class life, with 4 great children, and a great wife. We work hard, have NO debt, except for our mortgage, which is less than 3 years from being paid off. We are living the good life, because of our work ethic. This election is so important, because the left is going to socialize America, and I don't want my children to grow up under a socialist government. I'm not concerned about myself at all - it is concern for my children that makes me so intense about this election. I want them to grow up in the America I grew up in.

 

[Doris]

Tina Fey as Palin on the VP debate - Saturday night Live

Queen Latifah is Gwen Ifill.

You have to laugh at Biden's character too!

youtube clips have been removed due to NBC copyright claims.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/04/tina-fey-as-sarah-palin-i_n_131964.html

Scroll down a page to the video clip...

 

[rederob]

This election is so important, because the left is going to socialize America, and I don't want my children to grow up under a socialist government. I'm not concerned about myself at all - it is concern for my children that makes me so intense about this election. I want them to grow up in the America I grew up in.

It's too late.
The "right" has kicked-off the socialist ball and is scoring more own-goals than you poke at a pitbull.

 

[Green08]

I'm not concerned about myself at all - it is concern for my children that makes me so intense about this election. I want them to grow up in the America I grew up in.

Visiting over 40 countries is valuable experience. What is the ethnic community of your suburb? Could you live with a Muslim next to you? I come from a family of many cultures tolerance and understanding is wonderful.

Correct you never asked if I was wealthy. However you alluded to Obama supporters being elite, educated and wealthy. That depends on how you value education and wealth. Educated and concerned for the future can easily translate to the poor or less educated in their environment that may fully support the left. The left from -..................................+ hugh infill.

Thank you for clarifying what an honest day’s work is from your perspective. I do believe to be at the top of your field will involve some serious time in education plumber, electrician, lawyer or Doctor. Do you realize that everything you bought and use was designed and more than likely engineered -to function for you. Are you saying that people that design bridges, buildings, environmental saving elements etc are a waste of money. Doctors are a waste of money? Stock brokers are a waste of money? You wouldn't have a house (you would like if you made it yourself from local materials) or car if the stock market and associated industries didn't work.

Yes there are lazy bums about and no-one can stop that apathetic attitude.

Seriously, that is great you love your wife and kids, you have no debt and live within your means, however the world is not the same. Climate change is a huge issue, I would put it before money.

Work ethic is essential. Do you enjoy movies? - actors are mostly full time artist. Artist of design make your visuals for computers from google to games. Many fields may not produce 'goods' but need government funding to research life saving elements from cardiac to microscopic elements like hydrogen.

This election is very important to you, your children and globally. I believe that it is essential to have an educated, articulate, open minded person representing you, not some one you may feel comfortable about but can begin to lead the USA on a path to healing. We are at global crisis financially, food production and delivery, nuclear, religious, war, energy (drill baby drill) is not the answer. You have enormous talent in the USA for alternative energy look at that and who really supports them.

I have tremendous concerns for my 2 children however I am fully aware they can't grow up in my lifestyle. They face new challenges in every dimension. I would honestly say that given the future now and the predicaments they face and will have to bear and solve as a result our past greed in the last few decades, I would not have had children at all.

Why should they have the burden of past generations mistakes? They should be able to be happy and enjoy their lives not constantly battling to over come climate change, war etc.

I know that who ever is elected will not be able to solve the problem in 4 - 8 years. Of course you can see the blame game playing out now without a crystal ball.

I respect your answers and beliefs. Not agreeing with them does not make you or me a better human.

 

[Julia]

Great post, Green.

Goodonya for offering your views, with explanations, in a reasonable and respectful way. So much better without the personal insults and name calling. Everyone wins.

 

[Nashezz]

You have certainly worked youself into a state. Your are almost incoherent. It could be lack of sleep again.

I'm not surprised you found it incoherent. Some 3 syllable words and all.

GG you are right to an extent, but I could never claim to 'share' too much with someone that has no capacity left to learn or listen, and who has an overriding dogma of fear and loathing.

 

[Calliope]

Nachezz, it is just a waste of time stalking your class enemies. And it demeans you more than them.

This is diverting you from your more noble aspirations of helping the poor and saving the world from global warming.

 

[ZzzzDad]

Visiting over 40 countries is valuable experience. What is the ethnic community of your suburb? Could you live with a Muslim next to you? I come from a family of many cultures tolerance and understanding is wonderful.

My neighborhood in Nashville is an inside ring suburb. It is not one of the wealthier outside ring suburbs. My neighborhood of Nashville has many Iraqi Kurds. In fact, out of about a thousand or so homes in my neigborhood association, there are about 150 Kurdish owned houses. My neighbor across the street (with his McCain/Palin yard sign) is an Iraqi Kurd that has his own computer repair business. Three neighbors down the street are Kurds. These are some of the best neighbors I could ever want. They love America, and believe it or not, love GWB and McCain/Palin. Also, there are many blacks and Asians and Hispanics in my neighborhood. In fact, I would say that at least half the houses are minority owned. As soon as a house goes up for sale, a new Kurdish family snaps it up.

Oh, forgot to mention (gasp) there are also minorities inhabiting my own house (oh my goodness). My wife is from the Philippines, and my own children are mixed race. And, my wife's parents live with us too... I'm a minority in my own house. LOL

We visit the Philippines every two years and stay for a month. We know what the rest of the world is like, and we live our lives with the concern for other people, and their plight.

Thank you for clarifying what an honest day’s work is from your perspective. I do believe to be at the top of your field will involve some serious time in education plumber, electrician, lawyer or Doctor. Do you realize that everything you bought and use was designed and more than likely engineered -to function for you. Are you saying that people that design bridges, buildings, environmental saving elements etc are a waste of money. Doctors are a waste of money? Stock brokers are a waste of money? You wouldn't have a house (you would like if you made it yourself from local materials) or car if the stock market and associated industries didn't work.

????? Don't think my words above would disagree with this at all, except the lawyers.

Work ethic is essential. Do you enjoy movies? - actors are mostly full time artist. Artist of design make your visuals for computers from google to games. Many fields may not produce 'goods' but need government funding to research life saving elements from cardiac to microscopic elements like hydrogen.

Again I don't see where anything I said would indicate that these fields do no involve work. They are making, designing, building things that are useful and needed.

This election is very important to you, your children and globally. I believe that it is essential to have an educated, articulate, open minded person representing you, not some one you may feel comfortable about but can begin to lead the USA on a path to healing. We are at global crisis financially, food production and delivery, nuclear, religious, war, energy (drill baby drill) is not the answer. You have enormous talent in the USA for alternative energy look at that and who really supports them.

I believe that John McCain and Sarah Palin are very open minded people. Perhaps you don't agree with many of their stands on the issues, but they are less likely to take your rights away from you than those people on the left. The left is very scary, they start with good intentions, but in the end, they wind up taking away more and more of your rights and freedoms.

Alternative energy would be nice, but it is FAR AWAY from being feasible for the biggest part of our energy needs. That is just a fact. We must bridge the gap in technology with "drill baby drill". We have no other choice. I wish we did, but it is not even close to reality.

I have tremendous concerns for my 2 children however I am fully aware they can't grow up in my lifestyle. They face new challenges in every dimension. I would honestly say that given the future now and the predicaments they face and will have to bear and solve as a result our past greed in the last few decades, I would not have had children at all.

Every generation thinks that the problems ahead are too difficult. But, the human race is ingenious, and always finds a way to get through it and thrive. Our future generations will be no different.

My own family has its own challenges, for instance, my second son has Asperger's. (He is the one that has an Australia obsession - it used to be Greek mythology.) He is pretty high functioning, but has difficulties in school with making friends. He is quite eccentric, and has some problems fitting in. Luckily he has found one good friend in his class that is very much like him. I really have concerns about if he will be able to survive on his own when he becomes an adult, but, I have faith, and three other good children that love and look out for him, so I think his future is brighter than I imagine it sometimes. It will all work out.

Why should they have the burden of past generations mistakes? They should be able to be happy and enjoy their lives not constantly battling to over come climate change, war etc.

I honestly believe, as many very competent scientists believe, that climate change is cyclical. Perhaps a little man made, but, before we can blink an eye, and the sunspot cycles come and go, we will be in for a change in the other direction. We only have historical evidence to prove that the earth heats, and the earth cools. There is very little man can do to change it either way. I know you disagree with this, but I can name some very prominent scientists that believe the way I do.

I know that who ever is elected will not be able to solve the problem in 4 - 8 years. Of course you can see the blame game playing out now without a crystal ball.

I respect your answers and beliefs. Not agreeing with them does not make you or me a better human.

Agree - none of us knows everything. You could be right, I could be right, but I suspect the answer is somewhere in between.

 

[noirua]

Sarah Palin has to carry on trying to bite the legs of the Democrats. Is there another way for her?

 

[ZzzzDad]

Sarah Palin has to carry on trying to bite the legs of the Democrats. Is there another way for her?

She has to do that. The press has been so negative against Palin, and has let Obama get away scot free on EVERYTHING.

Just a few points about the media. Can you imagine how much of a commotion there would have been if Obama's email account had been hacked into by the son of a Republican state Senator from Tennessee? Well, a few weeks ago, Sarah Palin's email account was hacked into by the son of a DEMOCRAT state Senator from Tennessee. Where is the story? It has totally disappeared.

Can you imagine if Sarah Palin had travelled to Pakistan when she was in her 20's on an Indonesian passport? Can you imagine how the media would blow this up into a major issue. In fact, the BIG issue about her is that she never had a passport until last year. But Barack Obama had an Indonesian passport when he was an adult, and the media could care less.

Tony Rezko, etc., etc., the media could care less. If Sarah Palin had associations with a known criminal, would the media hide it? NO Way.

Evan Thomas, the liberal (in the American definition) editor of Newsweek bragged a few years ago - on the record - that the media is worth 10 percentage points for the Democrats in every election. He was right. If the media would do its homework on BOTH candidates - McCain and Obama - Obama would not even have won the Democrat nomination. This election would be Hillary vs. McCain.

 

[2020hindsight]

.. Barack Obama had an Indonesian passport when he was an adult, and the media could care less...

I'm guessing Governator Schwarzenneger had an Austrian passport once ... Hey isn't that where Hitler came from ?

And he even spent time in jail ... ! Admits to forgetting things even !!

(PS at least he thinks green - more than can be said for Palin.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Schwarzenegger
Early adulthood
Schwarzenegger served in the Austrian army in 1965, to fulfill the one year of service required at the time of all 18-year-old Austrian males.[5][13] He won the Junior Mr. Europe contest in 1965.[12] Schwarzenegger went AWOL during basic training so that he could take part in the competition, and spent a week in an army jail:

"Participating in the competition meant so much to me that I didn't carefully think through the consequences. When I got to Stuttgart, I was all confused. I forgot my posing routine, I had to borrow posing trunks, but still I won!"[6]

....
"The Mr. Universe title was my ticket to America — the land of opportunity, where I could become a star and get rich."[14] Schwarzenegger made his first plane trip in 1966, (age about 19) .. etc

 

[ZzzzDad]

I'm guessing Governator Schwarzenneger had an Austrian passport once ... Hey isn't that where Hitler came from ?

And he even spent time in jail ... ! Admits to forgetting things even !!

(PS at least he thinks green - more than can be said for Palin.)

Arnold's not running for President, and is constitutionally prohibited from it, because he is not native born.

The relevance in the case of Obama is that Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship, so, the only way for Obama to have gotten an Indonesian passport would have been that he would have had to renounce his American citizenship. If he did that, he would not be eligible to run for President. But the media is only curious about Palin, Obama they don't even try to investigate.

I'm not talking about when he was a child, different matter. This ocurred when he was an adult. Get it?